On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Stephen Novotny <novotny.stephen(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
Does anyone know the conflict that arose between James Moon and Eian Moon
which escalated to the threats?
//////
i still do not know the nature of the argument. james moon left before i
could ask and eian never said during his outburst....
i heard yelling so i went upstairs to find eian moon yelling at james moon.
james moon was repeatedly sayin "just leave me alone" and eian moon was
continuing to verbally abuse him. i informed eian moon very calmly that he
had to go due to his behavior. i had to endure about 45 mins of eian moon
verbal abuse before he finally left.
~r
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:50 AM, Julio Rios <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I think there are two Moons, but only one of them, Ian Moon, was observed
> threatening someone else (James Moon) with a cane. James Moon was denied
> sudoroom membership, but it's unclear that he's done anything to warrant a
> ban.
My personal opinion is that James Moon should be banned. I have not
met him personally, but I have talked to a number of people who felt
unsafe during his outbursts and yelling sprees in July. He has a very
sordid history which I won't go into here, but is searchable online.
The only reason he wasn't formally banned is that he ragequit himself
and nobody expected him to return.
I have had nothing but good experiences with Eian Moon, so this
surprises me. He's helped out with the building working group - helped
me hang the big white door from La Commune to the basement. He's
participating in Becoming Omni planning process, in the "invitations"
subgroup along with Matt Senate. He's also teaching a Public School
class, which is on their calendar:
https://bayareapublicschool.org/events/questioning-everything-2015-08-27/
> Is someone going to contact Ian Moon to let him know there is an Omni
> conflict resolution process to initiate?
I've emailed Eian Moon and Robb, requesting to talk in person outside
of Omni. I will try to play that role. I'm not really interested in
mediating with James Moon, given everything I know about him.
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:10 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> hackerspace inside the Omni, and it sounds like the people involved
> were not Sudoroom members nor did they claim to be, and the events
Actually I stand corrected, James Moon applied to be a Sudoroom member
a couple months ago, before he went on a yelling spree that scared a
bunch of people away, and was then blocked from membership and banned.
great idea mary. we are not perfect judges & could libel someone
inadvertently. ~r
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Mary Ward <maryhbw(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> I am concerned about posting peoples faces publicly on the Omni site. I
> suggest a physical book on the premises instead. The reasons for this are
> due to the slanderous nature of publicly posted bans and that most of those
> who were banned are banned without due process.
>
> I realize that the space must be policed in order to function, but I think
> we should think about the rights of the banned persons because they are
> people with feelings, too.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mary Ward
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:34 PM, niki <niki.shelley(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> These concerns (access to space, Omni membership, etc.) are ones that I
>> imagine will be addressed in the upcoming visioning / planning process.
>>
>> It's my understanding that this process could potentially result in a
>> more top-down restructuring of the management of the Omni with little to no
>> required buy-in from the individual collectives.
>>
>> I am not a part of the visioning / planning facilitation team so I don't
>> know too much about what's been discussed thus far but people who are
>> interested in what the future of the Omni looks like, organizationally,
>> should participate in this process.
>>
>> N
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Robb Anonymous <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> there seems to be ambiguity about james moon's ban, to wit: i was
>>> informed that his membership was block but that he was not ever banned. if
>>> i was misinformed please clarify.
>>>
>>> as to jeremy, *the senate* ;) told me he had some issues a while back
>>> (online abusive rants?) and that his membership was questionable.
>>>
>>> is it ok to take someone's photo if they are about to be asked to leave
>>> or banned?
>>>
>>> @jake, your concern for people burning out who have to deal with this
>>> stuff is greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> thx yar, i will register with omni-discuss & omni-mediation so i can tx
>>> the most appropriate lists.
>>> ~r
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i think we need to work on more practical and effective ways to keep
>>>> the space free of banned persons at all times.
>>>>
>>>> what can people do when a banned person repeatedly returns whenever
>>>> they feel like they can get in? there are no consequences for trying.
>>>>
>>>> I know that we do not call police for these types of issues, but what
>>>> about telling people that if they return again, the police will be called
>>>> and they will not know it until a cop shows up to grab them?
>>>>
>>>> Does that go against our values? If so, what is a reasonable motivator
>>>> to get people to stop returning all the time?
>>>>
>>>> If the response is "we just need to keep leaning on members and
>>>> volunteers to constantly beg trespassers to leave again" i fear that we are
>>>> going to burn people out faster than we can replace them.
>>>>
>>>> -jake
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, Stephen Whitmore wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if you're aware of it, but Omni/sudo
>>>>> has https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Asked_to_Leave. Photograph existence
>>>>> varies wildly, of
>>>>> course.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah - so he was already banned anyway, but was still coming in?
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, I have a really hard time putting names to faces. It
>>>>> would be
>>>>> extremely useful if we actually had photographs of the people
>>>>> that are
>>>>> banned, similar to noisebridges 86 page. That way we might
>>>>> actually have some
>>>>> hope of enforcing the bans already in place...
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2015 1:15 PM, "yar" <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:10 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > hackerspace inside the Omni, and it sounds like the
>>>>> people
>>>>> involved
>>>>> > were not Sudoroom members nor did they claim to be, and
>>>>> the
>>>>> events
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I stand corrected, James Moon applied to be a
>>>>> Sudoroom
>>>>> member
>>>>> a couple months ago, before he went on a yelling spree that
>>>>> scared a
>>>>> bunch of people away, and was then blocked from membership
>>>>> and
>>>>> banned.
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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>
late last night, i had to ban ian moon for verbally & physically
threatening(cane) james moon with a weapon (moon vs moon, lol).
it took about 45 min. to actually get him out of the building & then he got
back in w/jeremy (sudoroom member).
he said that he would be back in 2 weeks & there was nothing we could do to
keep him out of the building when he returns.
i feel like i should just start an omni non-member bullshit blog so as not
to tax our mail server.
~r
https://github.com/sudoroom/robot-arm-art
we have a bunch of code on the github.
Even a little stuff added, like extra photographs, links would be helpful.
=D
=============================
Romy Ilano
romy(a)snowyla.com
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Robb Anonymous <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> i feel like i should just start an omni non-member bullshit blog so as not
> to tax our mail server.
There's already an omni-mediation list and an omni-discuss list. I
think sudo-discuss is NOT the place for this. Sudoroom is just a
hackerspace inside the Omni, and it sounds like the people involved
were not Sudoroom members nor did they claim to be, and the events did
not happen inside Sudoroom.
https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/mediationhttps://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss
sudofriends,
This is just an FYI, that foolsFury Theater Co. is renting the Disco room
for rehearsals many nights throughout the next month or so, and they will
be using one of the trunk lockers on the north west end of sudoroom. Yar
said it was okay. They will donate to sudoroom in return shortly.
Just letting folks know in case they see strangers walking through. They
are friendly. Say hello if you feel inclined.
Love,
Julio
i am really tired of playing cat-n-mouse w/the outside doors at the omni.
a day or two ago i told jerome that i would be moving for a permanent ban
on whoever i discovered was propping the doors open.
after i let jerome in the building this morning, i discovered that jerome
had left the shattuck side/ballroom door open so i asked him "what the
fuck" he left the door open for.
rather than answer my question he took offense at my tone (understandably
as i was angry) got in my face pointing and tried to start a fight with me
with
i get that jerome helps out around here but leaving the doors open for
anyone to walk in at anytime completely negates the occasional floor
mopping that he does, imho.
i will not be letting jerome in anytime soon
~r
