[sudo-discuss] Re: meeting notes from 2023-09-20

Muirén * srry On Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 9:11 AM Angela Miller &lt;angelarosemiller(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > I nominate Murien to be delegate, if they would be willing. > > I also nominate Autonomous to be delegate. > > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 8:56 AM Angela Miller &lt;angelarosemiller(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> I nominate Andrew to be delegate, effective immediately. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 10:51 AM Autonomous via sudo-discuss < >> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: >> >>> >I don't know who Autonomous is or if they're a sudoroom member >>> >>> There's not much in my sudoroom profile except that it says I am a >>> member - in good standing presumably since I pay dues regularly: >>> https://humans.sudoroom.org/~autonomous >>> >>> >if you want to suggest we appoint a new delegate you can go ahead. >>> >>> A few years ago sudoroom had a group of delegates that were rotated for >>> each Omni Commons meeting. Since Omni Commons meetings are now virtual it >>> would be easier to set up another pool of delegates, if people think this >>> is a good idea. This is something Yar is more familiar with than I. >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 1:45 AM Jake Watters via sudo-discuss < >>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> I don't know who Autonomous is or if they're a sudoroom member, but if >>>> you want to suggest we appoint a new delegate you can go ahead. >>>> >>>> That said, consider that understanding of Thursday's meeting is still >>>> evolving as people are realizing that demonizing Jake has been a main >>>> priority of Rafiq since I first questioned the politics CLP when they were >>>> applying to join Omni. >>>> >>>> Since it's pretty clear at this point that the interests of sudoroom >>>> (as discussed in our last meeting) come down to whether or not Rafiq gets >>>> his way, you should think about whether you're falling into his plans by >>>> piling onto me. >>>> >>>> You should ask the other delegates (not including CLP/BOGSS obviously) >>>> whether they think I should represent sudoroom at the next meeting. >>>> >>>> -jake >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 10:24 PM Andrew R Gross &lt;arg5029(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is so, so, ugly. >>>>> >>>>> We need to move forward. >>>>> >>>>> First item: Autonomous has proposed that we appoint a new delegate. >>>>> Is there anyone who is willing to be the delegate? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)* >>>>> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 1:29 PM Jake Watters via sudo-discuss < >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:52 PM Paige P &lt;pgeplan(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> > even though the delegates (other than CLP of course) expressly >>>>>>> agreed that BOGSS was not in session to be able to block, you interpreted >>>>>>> CLP Danielle's vote to count. Blocking TANC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think that's true... Joe said he was confused why we were >>>>>>> considering BOGSS vote earlier in the meeting but not at the end. Also >>>>>>> Patrick's proposal didn't pass. The last vote, and you can see in meeting >>>>>>> notes, was taken disregarding BOGSS' vote, like you wanted. (Not like I >>>>>>> wanted- I think that should have been decided clearly before voting. Which >>>>>>> it obv wasnt, all the comments afterwards affirmed that). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think that's reflected in the meeting notes, which list CLP >>>>>> and BOGSS both as blocking, and says "according to one perspective, >>>>>> the Above measures did not pass. according to another perspective, >>>>>> it did." >>>>>> I do think the delegates need to have another meeting ASAP to >>>>>> clarify this issue. >>>>>> Either way, TANC seemed uninterested in wading into our drama and I >>>>>> don't blame them. It seems like CLP are going to have their way unless we >>>>>> remove them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Out of concern for omni commons I really wish Jake stepped down >>>>>>> from delegate position last night. If we want to remove CLP based on >>>>>>> Rafiq's politics and interpersonal problems then we need to hash that out >>>>>>> thoughtfully and with a lot of support from the whole community at omni. >>>>>>> But in our SR meeting on Wednesday, we clearly said we thought it would not >>>>>>> be strategic for you to throw call outs. Especially given the big topic of >>>>>>> the meeting being CLP's concerns about TANC due to white supremacy at omni. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It was certainly my intention to be strategic and not fall for the >>>>>> manipulation tactics, but as I explained, the facilitator literally made me >>>>>> an agenda item and then enabled Rafiq to go after me personally. As I >>>>>> mentioned in the meeting, I have a conflict with Rafiq that he started in >>>>>> 2022 and that I suggested we should discuss at a later date. But the >>>>>> facilitator allowed him to continue attacking me and did nothing to rein >>>>>> him in, so I responded on my own behalf. >>>>>> >>>>>> I did my best to stay on track in the meeting but I did not have >>>>>> support (in fact, an agenda item specifically addressing me is the opposite >>>>>> of support) and I muted myself for the entire second half of the meeting. >>>>>> I will not take responsibility for others' failure to do their part. >>>>>> >>>>>> -jake >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:41 PM Jake via sudo-discuss < >>>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> no, the PYM people came at me first, and I answered very politely, >>>>>>>> and they >>>>>>>> responded very rudely and personally at me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then they decided to complain about me to the meeting, and then >>>>>>>> you took the >>>>>>>> vote for a THIRD TIME even though we had already decided to let >>>>>>>> TANC in, and >>>>>>>> then even though the delegates (other than CLP of course) >>>>>>>> expressly agreed >>>>>>>> that BOGSS was not in session to be able to block, you interpreted >>>>>>>> CLP >>>>>>>> Danielle's vote to count. Blocking TANC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And here you are blaming me, because CLP's sock puppet blocked >>>>>>>> TANC because >>>>>>>> Jake was rude? How does that make sense? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -jake >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2023, Yardena Cohen via sudo-discuss wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> I am comfortable with disagreeing with people when they're >>>>>>>> wrong, and I am comfortable with my record on fighting for Palestinian >>>>>>>> freedom for longer than some of these people have been alive. They don't >>>>>>>> know what I've done, what I've lost, or what I've given for the cause and >>>>>>>> they don't care, and that's their choice. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > This right here is your exact problem. Who is "they"? You took >>>>>>>> Rafiq's >>>>>>>> > bait and then aimed your rant at our PYM guests. Worst thing you >>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>> > have done. >>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> > sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>>>> > More options at >>>>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>>>> More options at >>>>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> More options at >>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>> More options at >>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>> More options at >>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>> >>