Re: [sudo-discuss] Proposed Safe Space Ban: Perry

Oh, *that* dude. So sorry you were space-invaded, Ryan :( I remember being in the mezzanine when Perry was in the ballroom, reading Sarah's report about the incident with him peeking into the Disco Room, then overheard him say to someone on the phone about being asked to stop, "Dude, I was just looking at this beautiful naked dancer, I mean wow" and turning to Matt or Marc, can't recall, and fuming that I'd love to go kick that creep out of the space. Wish I had then. Fully in support of his ban but don't personally have the bandwidth to steward a mediation process. I think he might know Gabby from Rise Above, or seemed to be helping / around that area some. CC'ing her to see if she has his contact info. /jnny On 02/03/2015 02:49 PM, David Keenan wrote: > Hi all, > > Yes, I agree, this person should persona non grata pending mediation. > > Perry is an olderish white guy musician who comes around sometimes, much of > the time seriously drunk it would appear. Being drunk seems to clearly > impair his judgement and his actions become invasive to others in the ways > Ryan describes. > > My history with him is only the following. I first talked to him a while > ago asking him to turn down his electric guitar in the ballroom while a > large meeting was taking place in La Commune - he complied. I noticed he > really did reek of alcohol. I asked if he volunteered with any collective, > he said FNB - but he didn't know where the kitchen was, or that there was > even a basement, which rang alarm bells for me (ie, it was probably a fib.) > I later followed up with Helen and Joe and they said they had never heard > of him, and that sometimes people 'say' theyre in FNB but aren't really.. > > Anyhow, Perry left the ballroom and wandered upstairs by the kitchen above > La Commune, now playing the mandolin - 'quietly', yes - but alas still > distracting to those in the large meeting below, and I again asked if he > could play music in the basement or another room in the building until the > meeting as finished - he complied, but seemed pretty out of it and not > understanding why (drunk). > > I later found out that while upstairs he was 'peeking' into the Disco Room > on a dance rehearsal that made those inside feel uncomfortable and Sarah > sent an email out to that effect. Next time I saw him, I re-introduced > myself, took him up to the dance room and let him know that they require > privacy and to not do that. He said he had something of one the dancers > inside and was trying to return it to her.. I did not verify whether this > was true or not, but since the dancers did not seem to know him, it seems > doubtful. > > Then, one day after that, he was walking into the building and I admittedly > gave him a bit of a 'side-eye' on the way in because I wasn't sure if he > was wasted or what. He himself came up to me and said, "why'd you give me > that look?", and I said, it appears you come into the building drunk, and > we can't have drunk people in here - you aren't known to our community, and > I don't know what you will do in that state. I said if you want to get > drunk, try not to come here. To his credit he admitted being drunk the > aforementioned day, agreed it was unacceptable, and said that wasn't going > to happen again. > > But, since it has happened again, to my mind that is grounds to ban him > pending mediation that he will have to arrange. > > Does anyone know him, or have his email? > > Best, > David > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','yandoryn@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > > fwding this to sudo and cdc as well > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','yandoryn@gmail.com');>> > > Date: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:59 PM > > Subject: Proposed Safe Space Ban: Perry > > To: &quot;discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss@lists.omnicommons.org');>" < discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','discuss@lists.omnicommons.org');>>, > > David Keenan &lt;dkeenan44(a)gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dkeenan44@gmail.com');>> > > > > > > Perry, who as far as I know is not affiliated with any collective in the > > space, was at the Omni until late last night. He was heavily inebriated and > > reeked of alcohol. > > > > In attempting to talk with me, he got incredibly touchy-feely and further > > invaded my space, getting so close that I could feel his breath on my skin. > > I informed him loudly that touch needs to be consensual in the space and > > that he should ask me before touching me. I told him that the safe space > > policy is next to the front door and that he should read it. I managed to > > get away from him, but he followed me outside. > > > > Ribre (sp?) was outside with her guitar and he sat down next to her, > > invaded her space, and tried to strike up a seemingly very uncomfortable > > conversation. She told him that whatever he was talking about was something > > that he'd have to deal with on his own, not with her, and that she cannot > > deal with drunk men, and that they make her unsafe. Instead of ceasing the > > conversation, he got closer and tried to tell her that they needed to > > continue it. > > > > He continued in this vein for a while longer, until I loudly informed him > > that the conversation was not consensual and he needed to stop. He started > > to argue with me, however RAYC was able to defuse Perry and lead him away > > from the interaction. > > > > I spoke to Kwe and Juul before they left, to make sure I had backup if I > > needed to ask Perry to leave the building. Eventually, I was the only > > member left in the building, so I asked RAYC to shut down the building for > > me, and that I was only comfortable vouching for him and Nicholas. RAYC got > > Perry to leave. > > > > I spoke with David Keenan this morning, explaining the situation, and DK > > said that he has spoken to Perry in the past about his behaviour, > > specifically his behaviour when under the influence of alcohol. I will let > > DK speak more to that. > > > > Is anyone aware of a collective that Perry is involved with? In my > > conversation with DK, he said that when he spoke to Perry he said he was > > with FNB, but was probably lying, as he didn't even know where the kitchen > > was. Regardless, I ask that Perry be banned from the Omni, pending > > mediation, as his actions clearly violate our safe space policy and he > > refused to take action to alter his behaviour. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org');> > > https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org');> > https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > -- Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://sudomesh.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. 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