20 Sep
2023
20 Sep
'23
9:57 a.m.
Patrik I think you're misinterpreting the situation. Boggs is not in
session. It's literally just Geraldo claiming to be bogss so he can vote
with CLP. He created an email address "boggs" in order to look more
legitimate. Let's call it for what it is.
Of course he doesn't respond to Silver wanting to join. Of course he
doesn't help Marquise with his conflicts. He's just trying to help CLP.
On Wed, Sep 20, 2023, 03:03 Patrik D'haeseleer via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 1:57 AM Z Silver Zahn
<natashazahn27(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I’ve been trying to join boggs in the last few
months and no response …
Yes, and that is definitely something we need to remedy as soon as
possible. As far as I can tell there is no justification for BOGSS to
exclude an eligible representative.
Strictly speaking it is up to individual collectives to select their
representatives. If Sudo Room needs to have a formal vote on that, anyone
who wishes to volunteer has my full support.
Patrik
On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 1:56 AM Patrik D'haeseleer via sudo-discuss <
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I would also like to urge some Sudo folks to step
up and *join Omni's
Diversity/Equity/Inclusion committee*, BOGSS. Right now, the only
members on that committee are from CLP, and they get a vote on the
delegates meeting, which effectively gives CLP two votes at the table.
I believe the only requirement for being on the committee is to be
non-white OR non-male, and each collective can have up to 5 representatives
on the larger BOGSS "congress" that appoints the committee.
We can argue that BOGSS is currently inactive because they haven't been
having meetings, and don't have the required number of committee members,
and CLP is double-dipping. But the cleaner way would be to stack BOGSS so
they more accurately reflect the diversity at Omni.
Patrik
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 6:47 PM Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss <
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_______________________________________________ As Jake said, Omni has to make some decisions,
and this only works if
we get engagement.
If you're confused or overwhelmed, feel free to say so. Message either
of us privately. Come in in person and talk it out. But Sudo and Omni can't
function and do what we're here to do is people don't participate. Thanks
everyone!
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 1:04 PM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> Just to bump this issue, the delegates are still talking about it and
> the one
> group "CLP" are still trying to block TANC from moving in. The
> delegates are
> emailing about this to try to quell the confusion around this issue,
> so now is
> the time for Sudoroom (and all omni collectives) to meet and discuss
> it in
> order to make sure that their delegate (me and/or Andy) can go forward
> into
> the next delegates meeting (which might be sooner than normal) to
> discuss it.
>
> Can people make it to an in-person meeting on Wednesday night at
> sudoroom? As
> always there is the video link portal at this link, which connects you
> to the
> room over video and audio (try it anytime)
> https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles
>
> Previous meeting notes:
> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meetings#Meeting_Notes_Archive
>
> Wednesday night meeting at 8? Or thoughts about the situation
> described
> below.
>
> To be clear, I think the question is going to come up of voting to
> remove CLP
> from Omni Commons, so we need to make it clear for our delegates what
> our
> position is on that.
>
> -jake
>
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote:
>
> > Just to clarify, TANC has already been voted in according to our
> bylaws:
> >
> https://omnicommons.org/pipermail/consensus/2023-September/004001.html
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 14, 2023, 13:07 Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss <
> > sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Just to clarify, TANC is Tenants and Neighborhoods Councils.
> They're a
> >> local tenants union who helps organize renters to form unions in and
> >> between apartment buildings to challenge rent increase or otherwise
> push
> >> back against property managers. I reached out to them last year
> when I was
> >> looking for advice in dealing with bad behavior by my property
> manager, and
> >> attended one of their meetings. I support their work.
> https://baytanc.com
> >>
> >> CLP is Community Liberation Programs:
> >> https://www.communityliberationprograms.org/. I don't know much
> about
> >> them, honestly. They organize programs around diverse socialist
> goals,
> >> which sounds like something I'd completely support, but I think
it's
> >> misguided to block TANC from joining Omni, particularly on the
> charge that
> >> they're not outspoken enough about Palestine. I don't think
they've
> >> provided any evidence for the claim, and it's also creating a lot of
> >> conflict within Omni that seems super unproductive.
> >>
> >> Especially because *Omni is facing foreclosure at the end of the
> year* if
> >> we don't find a new lender. We need a strong financial base of
> support from
> >> member collectives in order to convince a credit union to loan us
> money to
> >> avoid losing the building. I don't want to pick a fight with CLP,
> but the
> >> consensus process is meant to encourage discussion and persuasion,
> and
> >> blocks are supposed to be used for matters of urgent necessity.
> >> Filibustering a new collective's joining or using a block because
> you
> >> haven't been successful persuading others is not a good-faith use
> of the
> >> consensus process, imo. Which is why I think Sudo should endorse a
> proposal
> >> to use the consensus-minus-one clause to proceed with inducting
> TANC into
> >> Omni.
> >>
> >> Does anyone disagree? If so, can you please offer a counter
> proposal to
> >> resolve this dispute. If there is no block on the motion, then I
> believe
> >> whoever represents Sudo at the next Thursday Omni meeting will
> register our
> >> collective as being in support of the motion to disregard CLP's
> block on
> >> TANC joining.
> >>
> >> -Andy
> >>
> >>
> >> <https://baytanc.com/>
> >> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
> >> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 8:44 PM Karissa McKelvey <
> krmckelv(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> There are a lot of acronyms here I have no idea what's going on.
> but this
> >>> is exactly why consensus-1 exists
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:56 PM Z Silver Zahn via sudo-discuss <
> >>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I really thinks it’s inappropriate to ask an organization that
> Omni
> >>>> dosent have that much of a relationship to spend their energy
> looking into
> >>>> who TANC is , what omni decision making model is etc. I hope CLP
> steps up
> >>>> to these demands they imposed on PYM .
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:29 PM Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss
<
> >>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I strongly, strongly endorse Yar’s proposal, and while I’m
> trying to
> >>>>> take a break from Omni politics, I would be willing to make an
> exception if
> >>>>> there’s anything I can do to help break this impasse.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am neutral on ejecting or suspending CLP. I’m happy to try
and
> >>>>> resolve things with them if they’re willing, but I wouldn’t
mind
> seeing
> >>>>> them go if they continue to demonstrate a lack of consideration
> for the
> >>>>> consensus process. Tanc’s approval has taken far too long, imo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It’s frankly shitty to spend so much time denigrating and
> occupying the
> >>>>> limited resources of a group that helps renters stay in their
> homes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Andy
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:20 PM Muirén Ní Sídach via
> sudo-discuss <
> >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I get the picture.
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