22 May
2013
22 May
'13
2:10 p.m.
i'm just going to regurgitate my suggestion that lockers/cubbies for secure storage be
made available to members who regularly pay the suggested donation or more. That gives an
incentive beyond access; though it reduces access to a small portion of the space for
everyone else, it's quite likely that there are some projects being stored in the
communal space now (which is everything but the cubbies which are default DNH, right?)
that would be moved to cubbies, as well as a number of projects and materials that are
taking up space and aren't being supported by their creators, dues aside. So to the
point, I think given the amount of space that is already not available for use by
everyone, it is totally worthwhile to set aside a bit of space if it means offering the
carrot or vegan donut that gets people signed up to fiscally ensure the continued
existence of sudoroom in its entirety. A donors page would be a good carrot too! I think
the credit thing was discussed as a dividend which could be allocated to different
projects if there was a surplus (net) on a given month which wound up being a discussion
that can be put off until we fill up our standing funds, but i think credits on gross
contributions have not been discussed at any length.
cheers,
hol
May 22, 2013 01:56:53 PM, somniac(a)me.com wrote:
Thanks Marina!
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I'm glad this is already being thought about. I
personally think access should be linked to membership because access is easily the single
most powerful thing we have to offer/revoke, and if we're talking about regulating
anything, it should be initial, door-opening access. Guests can always use the buzzer,
but even the landlord requires we have some barrier to first entry.
If these aren't tied together, I would expect it to be tied to a counter-proposal
suggesting a tiered membership system, with "gatekeepers" being separate from
normal "members". I think this is reasonable too, but doesn't dodge the
question of how these statuses are granted.
-Dan
On May 22, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Marina Kukso marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> wrote:
thanks dan! i believe that we will be discussing this extensively at the meeting tonight,
so thanks for sharing! also, this may be something that we should work on during this
sunday's "hack the room" hackathon.
also, we are still running a straw poll about
membership and access
here: ;https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zCaEAVVjLwMrWcoPlGb09-G6bvaaiewi33FTz3OBptE/viewform .
I hope to go over the results tonight.
- marina
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Daniel Finlay somniac(a)me.com> wrote:
door.sudoroom.org looks great, but what's the
password?
The answer certainly relates directly to the "who
is a member?" question, as well as what special privileges membership entails.
I know I've not been a very active participant in these discussions, so forgive me if
I am treading on a well-worn path, but it seems like we need some brainstorming on this
issue, so here's my first knee-jerk concept.
First of all, coming from an access perspective let me
just lay out:
Membership benefits (minimum): 1. The knowledge of the door code.
2. A vote when
revoking membership status.
The next obvious question is how membership is granted.
I feel the current Articles of Association are slightly ambiguous here, because they do
not specify whether BOTH criteria are required (paying dues and good standing), or EITHER:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_2.1_Qualification…
This is a touchy subject, especially because there is a
good deal of "what is money?" and "alternative currencies!" enthusiasm
around the space, while we still pay our rent in USD. I will now lay out a doubtlessly
controversial, half devil's-advocate, probably flawed, but I hope at least novel
system for distributing membership beyond fiscal donation alone.
Here is "SudoCredit Proposal 0.0.1":
A system of Sudo-Room Credit. Sudo Credit is initially tied directly to dollars donated
to Sudo Room, ie, a member who has paid $60 a month for 10 months has some factor of 600
sudo credits.
In addition to buying sudo credits from sudo room, a
person can earn sudo credits by hosting workshops, donating goods, basically anything that
gets people with sudo credits to award some of their credits to that person.
People with large contributions to sudoroom (ie lots of
sudo credit) would have the option of being deified with pictures proportional to their
credit on a donors page of the sudo site, linking to their member page.
Since this leads to an inflationary economy, we may
want some kind of sudo-credit re-uptake. Maybe pay credits to open the door, or something
else.
I know we have some currency geeks in here, I'm curious what people would think of
having an alternative currency to help distribute membership opportunity, while clarifying
membership requirements.
Just some thoughts, since access & membership seem
like muddy concepts that need clarification. I know there will be some resistance simply
because it's so tightly tied to financial donation, but at the very least I hope those
people will admit it's more egalitarian than a purely fiscally derived membership
system.
-Dan
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