8 Jul
2013
8 Jul
'13
12:42 a.m.
Or just get over it and realize that "hackerspaces" are so far removed from
any real historical context that there is no such thing as a "true"
hackerspace. I could call my bedroom a hackerspace for all the good it
does. and my couch a "hacker" cause it can also be a bed. Culture wars will
get you nothing but shity, stale, overanalized dead horses we like to
parade as culture.
--Andrew
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
No, actual solution: people who are attached to a
certain idea of a
hackerspace give a hard time to people who aren't/ had a different idea.
People on each side decide whether and how much to adjust their behavior or
beliefs to avoid future interpersonal unpleasantness.
On Sunday, July 7, 2013, Jehan Tremback wrote:
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Andrew Lowe
Cell: 831-332-2507
http://roshambomedia.com
Possible solution: Trademark the term
"hackerspace", sue those who do not
meet stringent ideological requirements.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
hackerspaces are combination office space and utopian capital sharing
experiment, not to be confused with just shared work space. A place where
"all you get is a desk and an internet connection" isn't a hackerspace,
it's just a shared work space, even if the people are doing programming for
work.
I'm not surprised at all to see someone who's into hackerspaces for the
second reason get annoyed when he thinks a hackerspce is getting confused
with a work space.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, David Rorex <drorex(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Seriously, give the guy a break. It's attitudes like Marc's that drive
away people from the "true" hackerspaces. Live and let live: just because
his space has a different organizational model than yours doesn't mean it's
some sort of evil masterplan to steal all your members and get rich by
squeezing money out of them. There are spaces in sf / oakland that charge
$250 a month and all you get is a desk and an internet connection. There's
room for a whole spectrum of spaces in the bay area. Mitch Altman's dream
is a day where there are more hackerspaces than liquor stores.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Steve Berl <steveberl(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Seems like sort of a blend of Tech Liminal, Techshop, and a hacker space.
Not clear why you think it's a bad thing. I don't see it claiming to be
anything that it is not.
Steve
On Monday, July 1, 2013, Marc Juul wrote:
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM, J.C. <r33lmm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Darren Overby <darren(a)rockitcolabs.com>wrote;wrote:
Excuse the interruption Noisebridge fans,
In the interest of possible cross-pollination, I wanted to let you know
about a new place to hack - RocSounds like a crap attempt at kIT
CoLabs<http://www.rockitcolabs.com/noisebridge-invite>te>.
Co-working? yes
Makerspace? yah
Tech startups? check
$200 monthly dues? yep
For profit? nothing stated to the contrary. seems likely.
Hierarchical organizational structure? assumed guilty until proven
innocent
Attempt to make their business venture more successful by luring in
hackers from local non-profits? sounds like it
"People frequently ask me how I came to be such an unconventional thinker
and unusual serial entrepreneur. ... " -- Darren Overby
By being unusually modest? No? Oh, wait, is the answer: By co-opting
existing open communities into for-profit organizations?
If this is actually a non-hierarchical non-profit, then color me
embarrassed.
Someone please let me know that I'm wrong. Please.
--
Marc
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-steve
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