23 Nov
2015
23 Nov
'15
1:19 a.m.
It's not the parts that make the board expensive, it's the salaries you
must pay the engineers who write the software for it. Heck, you'd be
surprised how little the parts cost of something reflects the price one
must ask for to keep a company afloat.
On 23 Nov 2015 1:03 am, "Zach R" <organicunity(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Adam,
Thanks so much for the reply. Goddamn that board is expensive - I'm not
surprised it does more given all the ICs on it. Nuts, looks like we need
to cough up $400 for that board then or get a new laser cutter :/ What a
scam, I doubt that PCB costs >$25 to produce.
I second your thoughts on education. I've looked at your site as well as
the manual and have been trying to learn more about the beast so that it
gets taken care of properly.
-Zach
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noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net> on behalf of Adam
<adam(a)aperture.systems>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 12:16 AM
To: Noisebridge
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos
I have this model laser. It's on loan at sudo right now.
The board isn't just a USB-Parallel converter. On my laser (R.3) the
board was a mixture of motor drivers, a few buffers and a CPLD doing
something somewhat intelligent. When it failed, I was able to have
full spectrum replace it with r.4 of their board for $400, which is
pretty identical, though they've done away with the DB25 port in favor
of direct to CPLD - USB.
I have a guide on the use of these lasers here.
http://hack.rit.edu/tools/fsl/
I would not recommend hacked solutions over the FSL board, unless the
solution is well documented, on a dedicated computer, backed up, and
taught to a few NB chiefs. My time running RIT's hackerspace has
taught that lack of education is the #1 reason people don't use tools
like these, and when there's no one to teach, nothing will get done,
and that sometimes it really is better to just pay extra for
something that just works.
-A
-^-^-^-^-^-
Adam Munich - Builder of wild things (and organizations)
Tel: +1-650-452-0554
The key to mastering any skill is nothing more than passion and
persistence.
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Mitch Altman <maltman23(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
FYI: My friend Aqua (who's Chinese) called
the company who actually
makes the laser cutter (jnmydy.com is only a distributor),
and they told
her that they cannot sell us just the power Parallel to USB controller and
main power motherboard PCBs separately, but they sell the "whole set" and
some raw components. She will call be on Monday and find out how much the
"whole set" costs.
And, yeah, I'd still really like to get reimbursed for the laser tube I
bought
for Noisebridge for $237.37 last year.
Best,
Mitch.
________________________________
> From: organicunity(a)hotmail.com
> To: noisebridge-discuss(a)lists.noisebridge.net
> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 02:29:14 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos
>
>
> So looking through the NB discuss list history (and talking to myself
> more here) there are actually a few more things the Laser Cutter
> needs. From what I understand there is:
>
>
> 1) Parallel> USB controller board needed (waiting for word from the
> people at Full Spectrum Laser and the shop in China for a price quote -
> anyone received a reply?) Also, Henner says he might be able to hack
> this with Arduino
>
> 2) Water pump and one hose missing (according to Adam's email from the
> Hackathon in July)
>
> 3) Air Pump maybe (haven't checked to see if we have this)
>
> 4) Calibration of mirrors and stuff (can someone volunteer to do this?
> we have manuals for it, it's just tedious)
>
> 5) Minor wiring and screws install work (I volunteer to do this)
>
> 6) a Windows machine to run the software (I can donate one if needed)
>
> 7) Install software and key (I guess Jerrod has this info?)
>
>
> Just trying to document the steps needed in one place here for
> everyone. Finally, we need to pay Mitch back for the $237 he spent on
> the new tube. Below is an old email with details from the thread here
> "Laser cutter repair bounty"
>
>
> Adam: "I tried fixing it at the stupid shit hackathon but I could not
> find the water pump and the other rubber hose. There is otherwise
> everything you need to get the laser cutter running."
>
>
> Mitch: "Zach -- please see the email from Henner, copied below, for a
> list of things that needs to be done. And please see the Doodle sent by
> Rubin, copied below, to pick a time to meet to fix the lasercutter.
> Everyone -- I paid for the laser tube when I was in China. I would very
> much love to be paid back for it. It cost me: Laser tube: $120.37
> shipping from Shenzhen to SF: $117.00 Total: $237.37 Would people be
> kind enough to pitch in, and help collect for this? Thanks, Mitch."
>
> -------------------------------------- From: organicunity(a)hotmail.com
> To: noisebridge-discuss(a)lists.noisebridge.net Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015
> 08:39:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Laser cutter repair
> bounty .ExternalClass P { } I already offered to help with this....I
> thought Adam (and someone else) got it fixed recently. If someone will
> give me the low down on what needs to be done I'm happy to work on it.
> and hey, throwing money (and burritos) at poor techs like me definitely
> can get shit done! -Zach From:
> noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net on behalf of Rubin
> Abdi Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:54 PM To: Henner Zeller Cc: James
> Sundquist; NB Discuss Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Laser cutter
> repair bounty Do you want to make the laser go? Fill out the fucking
> Doodle... https://doodle.com/3rnzd5fy74kfwd9b On 11 July 2015 at 14:41,
> Henner Zeller wrote: I'd rather you guys organize some time where
> everyone who wants to help has time (get creative, there are some
> online find-free-time-slots-for-a-couple of people online. @rubin was
> using one of these recently). Money won't get things done, chip in an
> hour of your work. _That_ would help more getting this done. I am happy
> to help, but being alone working on that will take weeks of time here
> and there. What needs to be done, and with a few people, that would be
> doable in an afternoon. - check if we have the water pump and air pump
> in working condition. If not, get new ones. - Get a bucket of 5 Gallons
> of distilled water. - Connect the laser tube to the high voltage power
> supply (as far as I know, the new tube is already in the cutter)000 -
> calibrate things, mirrors and stuff. - make a free space in the corner
> of Noisebridge next to the windows, now full of DJ gear. - Find a table
> to put it on permanently. - Prepare an outlet in the window where we
> can connect the blower pipe. - Get the software installed somewhere (I
> think Jarrod has a license key somewhere and we need a windows
> machine). -h On 11 July 2015 at 14:31, jarrod hicks wrote: I too will
> match that. On Jul 11, 2015 12:32 PM, "James Sundquist" wrote: I will
> give $20 to anyone who has the laser cutter restored and calibrated at
> nb. --- Sent from Boxer | http://getboxer.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net
> <noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net> on behalf of Zach R
> <organicunity(a)hotmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 5:54 PM
> To: NB Discuss; Eric Michaud
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos
>
>
> OK so I took the laser cutter Main PCB home last night and did some
> work on it. I believe I got it all fixed up now, with the proper +5v
> and +24v LEDs lighting up now - it should be working 100% ! :D
>
> proof:
>
>
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/Segasonicfan/NB%20Hardware%20Class/2…
>
>
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/Segasonicfan/NB%20Hardware%20Class/2…
> <
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/Segasonicfan/NB%20Hardware%20Class/2…
>
>
>
>> Now the only thing left (aside from me fixing some crappy wiring
jobs,
>> installing the tube, and replacing screws and fuses) is the CONTROLLER
>> BOARD that handles Parallel> USB. Here is a link to it again:
>
>
https://moderndevice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fse-controller-768x1024…
>
>
>> Has anyone received a response from the manufacturer about this?
Eric,
>> could you ask Full Spectrum Laser for the price cost for just this
>> board (I know they quoted $700 for both, but I have the larger one
>> working now). LMK.
>
>>
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>> From: noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net
>> <noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net> on behalf of Zach R
>> <organicunity(a)hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 11:39 PM
>> To: NB Discuss
>> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos
>
>
>> So I brought this up at the meeting tonight and then I did more
>> research. Found some more useful info.
>
>
>> model #: MLR-40
>
>> 40w Full Spectrum Laser
>
>> Manufacturer website:
http://en.jnmydy.com/
>
>
>> And here are the pictures I took:
>
>
http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Segasonicfan/library/NB%20Hardware%20Class?…
>
>> Here is the controller board
we are missing:
>
>
https://moderndevice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fse-controller-768x1024…
https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/compose?to=gwen246%40gmail.com>
>
https://moderndevice.com/news/full-spectrum-engineering-40w-hobby-laser/
>> http://wiki.lvl1.org/Full_Spectrum_Laser
>> http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=140518
>
>>
https://fslaser.com/Manuals/FSL_40w_Hobby_Laser_Manual.pdf (manual)
>
>
>> There is a second hand one for $1500 we could raise money for. That
>> way we have this one for parts. That's one option.
>
>> Im going to try emailing the
manufacture to see what replacement costs
>> would be.
>
>
>> -Zach
>
>>
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