23 Nov
2015
23 Nov
'15
1:19 a.m.
It's not the parts that make the board expensive, it's the salaries you
must pay the engineers who write the software for it. Heck, you'd be
surprised how little the parts cost of something reflects the price one
must ask for to keep a company afloat.
On 23 Nov 2015 1:03 am, "Zach R" <organicunity(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Adam,
Thanks so much for the reply. Goddamn that board is expensive - I'm not
surprised it does more given all the ICs on it. Nuts, looks like we need
to cough up $400 for that board then or get a new laser cutter :/ What a
scam, I doubt that PCB costs >$25 to produce.
I second your thoughts on education. I've looked at your site as well as
the manual and have been trying to learn more about the beast so that it
gets taken care of properly.
-Zach
________________________________________
From: noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net <
noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net> on behalf of Adam
<adam(a)aperture.systems>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 12:16 AM
To: Noisebridge
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos
I have this model laser. It's on loan at sudo right now.
The board isn't just a USB-Parallel converter. On my laser (R.3) the
board was a mixture of motor drivers, a few buffers and a CPLD doing
something somewhat intelligent. When it failed, I was able to have
full spectrum replace it with r.4 of their board for $400, which is
pretty identical, though they've done away with the DB25 port in favor
of direct to CPLD - USB.
I have a guide on the use of these lasers here.
http://hack.rit.edu/tools/fsl/
I would not recommend hacked solutions over the FSL board, unless the
solution is well documented, on a dedicated computer, backed up, and
taught to a few NB chiefs. My time running RIT's hackerspace has
taught that lack of education is the #1 reason people don't use tools
like these, and when there's no one to teach, nothing will get done,
and that sometimes it really is better to just pay extra for
something that just works.
-A
-^-^-^-^-^-
Adam Munich - Builder of wild things (and organizations)
Tel: +1-650-452-0554
The key to mastering any skill is nothing more than passion and
persistence.
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Mitch Altman <maltman23(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
FYI: My friend Aqua (who's Chinese) called
the company who actually
makes the laser cutter (jnmydy.com is only a distributor),
and they told
her that they cannot sell us just the power Parallel to USB controller and
main power motherboard PCBs separately, but they sell the "whole set" and
some raw components. She will call be on Monday and find out how much the
"whole set" costs.
And, yeah, I'd still really like to get reimbursed for the laser tube I
bought
for Noisebridge for $237.37 last year.
Best,
Mitch.
________________________________
> From: organicunity(a)hotmail.com
> To: noisebridge-discuss(a)lists.noisebridge.net
> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 02:29:14 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos
>
>
> So looking through the NB discuss list history (and talking to myself
> more here) there are actually a few more things the Laser Cutter
> needs. From what I understand there is:
>
>
> 1) Parallel> USB controller board needed (waiting for word from the
> people at Full Spectrum Laser and the shop in China for a price quote -
> anyone received a reply?) Also, Henner says he might be able to hack
> this with Arduino
>
> 2) Water pump and one hose missing (according to Adam's email from the
> Hackathon in July)
>
> 3) Air Pump maybe (haven't checked to see if we have this)
>
> 4) Calibration of mirrors and stuff (can someone volunteer to do this?
> we have manuals for it, it's just tedious)
>
> 5) Minor wiring and screws install work (I volunteer to do this)
>
> 6) a Windows machine to run the software (I can donate one if needed)
>
> 7) Install software and key (I guess Jerrod has this info?)
>
>
> Just trying to document the steps needed in one place here for
> everyone. Finally, we need to pay Mitch back for the $237 he spent on
> the new tube. Below is an old email with details from the thread here
> "Laser cutter repair bounty"
>
>
> Adam: "I tried fixing it at the stupid shit hackathon but I could not
> find the water pump and the other rubber hose. There is otherwise
> everything you need to get the laser cutter running."
>
>
> Mitch: "Zach -- please see the email from Henner, copied below, for a
> list of things that needs to be done. And please see the Doodle sent by
> Rubin, copied below, to pick a time to meet to fix the lasercutter.
> Everyone -- I paid for the laser tube when I was in China. I would very
> much love to be paid back for it. It cost me: Laser tube: $120.37
> shipping from Shenzhen to SF: $117.00 Total: $237.37 Would people be
> kind enough to pitch in, and help collect for this? Thanks, Mitch."
>
> -------------------------------------- From: organicunity(a)hotmail.com
> To: noisebridge-discuss(a)lists.noisebridge.net Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015
> 08:39:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Laser cutter repair
> bounty .ExternalClass P { } I already offered to help with this....I
> thought Adam (and someone else) got it fixed recently. If someone will
> give me the low down on what needs to be done I'm happy to work on it.
> and hey, throwing money (and burritos) at poor techs like me definitely
> can get shit done! -Zach From:
> noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net on behalf of Rubin
> Abdi Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:54 PM To: Henner Zeller Cc: James
> Sundquist; NB Discuss Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Laser cutter
> repair bounty Do you want to make the laser go? Fill out the fucking
> Doodle... https://doodle.com/3rnzd5fy74kfwd9b On 11 July 2015 at 14:41,
> Henner Zeller wrote: I'd rather you guys organize some time where
> everyone who wants to help has time (get creative, there are some
> online find-free-time-slots-for-a-couple of people online. @rubin was
> using one of these recently). Money won't get things done, chip in an
> hour of your work. _That_ would help more getting this done. I am happy
> to help, but being alone working on that will take weeks of time here
> and there. What needs to be done, and with a few people, that would be
> doable in an afternoon. - check if we have the water pump and air pump
> in working condition. If not, get new ones. - Get a bucket of 5 Gallons
> of distilled water. - Connect the laser tube to the high voltage power
> supply (as far as I know, the new tube is already in the cutter)000 -
> calibrate things, mirrors and stuff. - make a free space in the corner
> of Noisebridge next to the windows, now full of DJ gear. - Find a table
> to put it on permanently. - Prepare an outlet in the window where we
> can connect the blower pipe. - Get the software installed somewhere (I
> think Jarrod has a license key somewhere and we need a windows
> machine). -h On 11 July 2015 at 14:31, jarrod hicks wrote: I too will
> match that. On Jul 11, 2015 12:32 PM, "James Sundquist" wrote: I will
> give $20 to anyone who has the laser cutter restored and calibrated at
> nb. --- Sent from Boxer | http://getboxer.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net
> <noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net> on behalf of Zach R
> <organicunity(a)hotmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 5:54 PM
> To: NB Discuss; Eric Michaud
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos
>
>
> OK so I took the laser cutter Main PCB home last night and did some
> work on it. I believe I got it all fixed up now, with the proper +5v
> and +24v LEDs lighting up now - it should be working 100% ! :D
>
> proof:
>
>
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/Segasonicfan/NB%20Hardware%20Class/2…
>
>
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/Segasonicfan/NB%20Hardware%20Class/2…
> <
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/Segasonicfan/NB%20Hardware%20Class/2…
>
>
>
>> Now the only thing left (aside from me fixing some crappy wiring
jobs,
>> installing the tube, and replacing screws and fuses) is the CONTROLLER
>> BOARD that handles Parallel> USB. Here is a link to it again:
>
>
https://moderndevice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fse-controller-768x1024…
>
>
>> Has anyone received a response from the manufacturer about this?
Eric,
>> could you ask Full Spectrum Laser for the price cost for just this
>> board (I know they quoted $700 for both, but I have the larger one
>> working now). LMK.
>
>>
________________________________
>> From: noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net
>> <noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net> on behalf of Zach R
>> <organicunity(a)hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 11:39 PM
>> To: NB Discuss
>> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos
>
>
>> So I brought this up at the meeting tonight and then I did more
>> research. Found some more useful info.
>
>
>> model #: MLR-40
>
>> 40w Full Spectrum Laser
>
>> Manufacturer website:
http://en.jnmydy.com/
>
>
>> And here are the pictures I took:
>
>
http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Segasonicfan/library/NB%20Hardware%20Class?…
>
>> Here is the controller board
we are missing:
>
>
https://moderndevice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fse-controller-768x1024…
https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/compose?to=gwen246%40gmail.com>
>
https://moderndevice.com/news/full-spectrum-engineering-40w-hobby-laser/
>> http://wiki.lvl1.org/Full_Spectrum_Laser
>> http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=140518
>
>>
https://fslaser.com/Manuals/FSL_40w_Hobby_Laser_Manual.pdf (manual)
>
>
>> There is a second hand one for $1500 we could raise money for. That
>> way we have this one for parts. That's one option.
>
>> Im going to try emailing the
manufacture to see what replacement costs
>> would be.
>
>
>> -Zach
>
>>
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23 Nov
8:41 a.m.
New subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos
adam if you have the old burned out boardfrom yours i'm sure Zach will
gladly repair it. he's really good.
although there are two boards.. perhaps its the other one?
On Mon, 23 Nov 2015, Adam wrote:
It's not the parts that make the board expensive, it's the
salaries you must pay the engineers who write the software for
it. Heck, you'd be surprised how little the parts cost of
something reflects the price one must ask for to keep a company
afloat.
On 23 Nov 2015 1:03 am, "Zach R" <organicunity(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
Hey Adam,
Thanks so much for the reply. Goddamn that board
is expensive - I'm not surprised it does more given
all the ICs on it. Nuts, looks like we need to cough
up $400 for that board then or get a new laser cutter
:/ What a scam, I doubt that PCB costs >$25 to
produce.
I second your thoughts on education. I've looked at
your site as well as the manual and have been trying
to learn more about the beast so that it gets taken
care of properly.
-Zach
________________________________________
From:
noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net
<noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net>
on behalf of Adam <adam(a)aperture.systems>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 12:16 AM
To: Noisebridge
Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter
Infos
I have this model laser. It's on loan at sudo right
now.
The board isn't just a USB-Parallel converter. On my
laser (R.3) the
board was a mixture of motor drivers, a few buffers
and a CPLD doing
something somewhat intelligent. When it failed, I was
able to have
full spectrum replace it with r.4 of their board for
$400, which is
pretty identical, though they've done away with the
DB25 port in favor
of direct to CPLD - USB.
I have a guide on the use of these lasers here.
http://hack.rit.edu/tools/fsl/
I would not recommend hacked solutions over the FSL
board, unless the
solution is well documented, on a dedicated computer,
backed up, and
taught to a few NB chiefs. My time running RIT's
hackerspace has
taught that lack of education is the #1 reason people
don't use tools
like these, and when there's no one to teach, nothing
will get done,
and that sometimes it really is better to just pay
extra for
something that just works.
-A
-^-^-^-^-^-
Adam Munich - Builder of wild things (and
organizations)
Tel: +1-650-452-0554
The key to mastering any skill is nothing more than
passion and persistence.
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Mitch Altman
<maltman23(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
FYI: My friend Aqua (who's Chinese) called
the
company who actually makes the laser cutter
(jnmydy.com is only a distributor), and they told her
that they cannot sell us just the power Parallel to
USB controller and main power motherboard PCBs
separately, but they sell the "whole set" and some
raw components. She will call be on Monday and find
out how much the "whole set" costs.
And, yeah, I'd still really like to get reimbursed
for the laser tube I
bought for Noisebridge for
$237.37 last year.
Best,
Mitch.
________________________________
> From: organicunity(a)hotmail.com
> To: noisebridge-discuss(a)lists.noisebridge.net
> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 02:29:14 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser
Cutter Infos
>
>
> So looking through the NB discuss list history
(and talking to myself
> more here) there are actually a few more
things
the Laser Cutter
> needs. From what I understand there is:
>
>
> 1) Parallel> USB controller board needed (waiting
for word from the
> people at Full Spectrum Laser and the shop in
China for a price quote -
> anyone received a reply?) Also, Henner says
he
might be able to hack
> this with Arduino
>
> 2) Water pump and one hose missing (according to
Adam's email from
the
> Hackathon in July)
>
> 3) Air Pump maybe (haven't checked to see if we
have this)
>
> 4) Calibration of mirrors and stuff (can someone
volunteer to do this?
> we have manuals for it, it's just
tedious)
>
> 5) Minor wiring and screws install work (I
volunteer to do this)
>
> 6) a Windows machine to run the software (I can
donate one if needed)
>
> 7) Install software and key (I guess Jerrod has
this info?)
>
>
> Just trying to document the steps needed in one
place here for
> everyone. Finally, we need to pay Mitch back
for
the $237 he spent on
> the new tube. Below is an old email with
details
from the thread here
> "Laser cutter repair bounty"
>
>
> Adam: "I tried fixing it at the stupid shit
hackathon but I could
not
> find the water pump and the other rubber
hose.
There is otherwise
> everything you need to get the laser cutter
running."
>
>
> Mitch: "Zach -- please see the email from Henner,
copied below, for
a
> list of things that needs to be done. And
please
see the Doodle sent by
> Rubin, copied below, to pick a time to meet
to fix
the lasercutter.
> Everyone -- I paid for the laser tube when I
was
in China. I would very
> much love to be paid back for it. It cost me:
Laser tube: $120.37
> shipping from Shenzhen to SF: $117.00 Total:
$237.37 Would people be
> kind enough to pitch in, and help collect for
this? Thanks, Mitch."
>
> -------------------------------------- From:
organicunity(a)hotmail.com
> To: noisebridge-discuss(a)lists.noisebridge.net
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015
> 08:39:50 +0000 Subject: Re:
[Noisebridge-discuss]
Laser cutter repair
> bounty .ExternalClass P { } I already offered
to
help with this....I
> thought Adam (and someone else) got it fixed
recently. If someone will
> give me the low down on what needs to be done
I'm
happy to work on it.
> and hey, throwing money (and burritos) at
poor
techs like me definitely
> can get shit done! -Zach From:
> noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net
on behalf of Rubin
> Abdi Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:54 PM
To:
Henner Zeller Cc: James
> Sundquist; NB Discuss Subject: Re:
[Noisebridge-discuss] Laser cutter
> repair bounty Do you want to make the laser
go?
Fill out the fucking
> Doodle... https://doodle.com/3rnzd5fy74kfwd9b
On
11 July 2015 at 14:41,
> Henner Zeller wrote: I'd rather you guys
organize
some time where
> everyone who wants to help has time (get
creative,
there are some
> online find-free-time-slots-for-a-couple of
people
online. @rubin was
> using one of these recently). Money won't
get
things done, chip in an
> hour of your work. _That_ would help more
getting
this done. I am happy
> to help, but being alone working on that will
take
weeks of time here
> and there. What needs to be done, and with a
few
people, that would be
> doable in an afternoon. - check if we have
the
water pump and air pump
> in working condition. If not, get new ones. -
Get
a bucket of 5 Gallons
> of distilled water. - Connect the laser tube
to
the high voltage power
> supply (as far as I know, the new tube is
already
in the cutter)000 -
> calibrate things, mirrors and stuff. - make a
free
space in the corner
> of Noisebridge next to the windows, now full
of DJ
gear. - Find a table
> to put it on permanently. - Prepare an outlet
in
the window where we
> can connect the blower pipe. - Get the
software
installed somewhere (I
> think Jarrod has a license key somewhere and
we
need a windows
> machine). -h On 11 July 2015 at 14:31, jarrod
hicks wrote: I too will
> match that. On Jul 11, 2015 12:32 PM,
"James
Sundquist" wrote: I will
> give $20 to anyone who has the laser cutter
restored and calibrated at
> nb. --- Sent from Boxer |
http://getboxer.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From:
noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net
>
<noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net>
on behalf of Zach R
> <organicunity(a)hotmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 5:54 PM
> To: NB Discuss; Eric Michaud
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser
Cutter Infos
>
>
>> OK so I took the laser cutter Main PCB home last
night and did some
> work on it. I believe I got it all fixed up
now,
with the proper +5v
> and +24v LEDs lighting up now - it should be
working 100% ! :D
>
>> proof:
>
>>http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/Segasonicfan/NB%20Hardwar
e%20Class/20151120_172957_zpskt9g4iww.jpg
>
>>http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/Segasonicfan/NB%20Hardwar
e%20Class/20151120_172935_zpstz0a2oaj.jpg
><http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/Segasonicfan/NB%20Hardwa
re%20Class/20151120_172957_zpskt9g4iww.jpg>
>
>
>> Now the only thing left (aside from me fixing some
crappy wiring jobs,
> installing the tube, and replacing screws and
fuses) is the CONTROLLER
> BOARD that handles Parallel> USB. Here is
a link
to it again:
>
>>https://moderndevice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fse-controll
er-768x1024.jpg
>
>
>> Has anyone received a response from the
manufacturer about this? Eric,
> could you ask Full Spectrum Laser for the
price
cost for just this
> board (I know they quoted $700 for both, but
I
have the larger one
>> working now). LMK.
>
>>
________________________________
>> From:
noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net
>
<noisebridge-discuss-bounces(a)lists.noisebridge.net>
on behalf of Zach R
> <organicunity(a)hotmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 11:39 PM
> To: NB Discuss
> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter
Infos
>
>
>> So I brought this up at the meeting tonight and
then I did more
>> research. Found some more useful info.
>
>
>> model #: MLR-40
>
>> 40w Full Spectrum
Laser
>
>> Manufacturer website:
http://en.jnmydy.com/
>
>
>> And here are the pictures I took:
>
>>http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Segasonicfan/library/NB%20Hardwa
re%20Class?sort=3&page=1
>
>> Here is the controller
board we are missing:
>
>>https://moderndevice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fse-controll
er-768x1024.jpg
>
>>http://www.laserresale.com/?fa=app.view&it=5966<https://us-mg4.m
ail.yahoo.com/compose?to=gwen246%40gmail.com>
>https://moderndevice.com/news/full-spectrum-engineering-40w-hobb
y-laser/
>> http://wiki.lvl1.org/Full_Spectrum_Laser
>> http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=140518
>
>
https://fslaser.com/Manuals/FSL_40w_Hobby_Laser_Manual.pdf
(manual)
>
>
>> There is a second hand one for $1500 we could
raise money for. That
>> way we have this one for parts. That's one option.
>
>> Im going to try
emailing the manufacture to see
what replacement costs
>> would be.
>
>
>> -Zach
>
>>
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