Re: [sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies

Totally sent this from the wrong email. So bringing it back to the list. I think it basically boils down to homophobia ie. "who will show up if they might see a naked man"?.... Our answer: people who truely unstand sexuality as more than just hetero men getting what they want. On May 4, 2013 7:43 PM, "Romy Ilano" <romy(a)snowyla.com> wrote: > i've nEVER met anyone holding an erotic event who made the male and > stripper female ratio equal > > that is such a no-brainer to me. i don't understand why people don't do > that > > if businessmen go to lunch around strippers, why can't it be 50% hot > male strippers and 50%hot female strippers? that would make the world so > much easier to deal with. > > you rule! > > > On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Romy Ilano <romy(a)snowyla.com> wrote: > >> andrew that last commentw as so rad! that's cool. =D >> >> that's the kind of erotic event i'd be into >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> >> Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies >> To: Andrew <andrew(a)vagabondballroom.com> >> Cc: Sudo Room discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> >> >> >> Or less representation of sex altogether. What does anyone need porn >> for? >> On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew" <andrew(a)vagabondballroom.com> wrote: >> >>> When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made it a point to >>> balence genders as much as possible. We had male and female co-hosts and >>> male and female strippers. >>> >>> Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are more than two >>> genders. In my mind objectification is not the issue. Representation is. >>> Porn is mostly filmed from a hetero-cis-male perspective and because of >>> that, taken as a whole, is exploitive. There is porn that fights this >>> perspective and representation of sex and there needs to be more. >>> On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Can I get a link for this gonorreah story? >>>> On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01(a)att.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Romy & Yo's- >>>>> >>>>> Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off." >>>>> >>>>> Wow. Thanks for pointing that out. I never noticed that before >>>>> (OTOH >>>>> attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get my >>>>> attention), >>>>> but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that somewhere. >>>>> >>>>> I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and objectifying as >>>>> hell, unless there's a very good reason for taking a photo that way >>>>> (e.g. medical contexts). Being looked at "that way" produces the >>>>> creepy >>>>> feeling that the looker's intentions are non-consensual. >>>>> >>>>> The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in clothing >>>>> ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this, and we don't >>>>> want >>>>> to risk putting you off by showing a face that's substantially >>>>> different >>>>> to yours, so imagine your face on this person's body." But it would >>>>> be >>>>> foolish to think that's what's intended every time that photographic >>>>> method is used. >>>>> >>>>> This brings up the question of what people find sexy in photography. >>>>> For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a non-starter: there's no >>>>> cue >>>>> for communication with the person. Nudes in general don't do it >>>>> either: >>>>> all the usual contextual cues as to someone's personality are >>>>> missing, >>>>> so why would I even begin to imagine being in an intimate context >>>>> with >>>>> someone I don't really know? I've always felt that way but now we >>>>> have >>>>> the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general it's not a good idea to >>>>> get >>>>> intimate with someone you don't know very well, because the outcome >>>>> could be a life-threatening illness. >>>>> >>>>> For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is >>>>> loose in >>>>> the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and can kill you >>>>> in a >>>>> matter of days through a raging bacterial infection, it's probably a >>>>> darn good idea for everyone to "get smart & play safe" ALL the time, >>>>> zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV. In which case >>>>> photography >>>>> that portrays an objectified sexuality without communications isn't >>>>> just >>>>> gross and exploitative, it's a public health hazard that reinforces >>>>> attitudes that put people at risk for their lives. >>>>> >>>>> -G. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ===== >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote: >>>>> > It's interesting to me how porn a >>>>> > Nd erotica always advertise with women's bodies with their faces >>>>> cut off >>>>> > American apparel digs this etc >>>>> > Lots of art theory discusses this >>>>> > >>>>> > I would love for any Sudo room event to break the mold and show >>>>> men's bodies in any erotic theme as well ... Also would love to see the >>>>> male body as the focus of any erotic film or dance to balance out the >>>>> Imbalance and unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the porn industry >>>>> > >>>>> > Sent from my iPad >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >> >