Re: [sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] Proposed Safe Space Ban: Perry

The point is that this conversation has become destructive. I do not think pointing out people in the discuss list if helpful, only hurtful. The CDC list may be a better place for in depth conversations about bans. Sincerely, Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Ryan <yandoryn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > TBC I don't need a cis man telling me how I should proceed after I was > sexually assaulted. > > TBC I don't need a cis man euphemizing a sexual predator's behavior. > > TBC I don't need a cis man "researching" the situation to see if there > were more incidents. > > TBC I don't need a cis man adding to the tone policing in this thread. > > TBC you are mansplaining right now Steve, and that's the last fucking > thing I need right now.> >> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Steve Bloom <stevebloom55(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: TBC, yar, your statement necessarily had implications for what Al >> said. It could have been phrased to not do that even while still >> expressing support for Ryan. Korl can think it was unconstructive >> without taking it personally. I don't think the subsequent statement >> that Korl has something to learn here was helpful. >> >> That said, let's not lose track of the fact that Perry has serious >> loss-of-boundary issues when he drinks (which seems to be frequently). >> My own experience (two experiences actually) is that he doesn't single >> people out for that (I got it too), but it's absolutely the case that >> the same behavior that was non-threatening for me will be very >> threatening for others. (Something I need to bear in mind going foward; >> probably I should have asked if there have been other such incidents.) >> >> I'm a little murky on the process here. I mean, this open discussion >> isn't going to be used for some sort of vote, right? >> >> Assuming this from David K. is correct -- >> >> "Yes, any member (but not guest) is empowered to temporarily ban - >> pending conflict mediation - anyone else so following a safe space >> violation which is what this is." >> >> -- then it seems that all Ryan has to do is say that Perry is banned, >> following which a conflict mediation process is initiated. If Ryan >> didn't feel that his and (as related) Ribre's particular experience was >> sufficient and so was asking others, then what Jenny and I added (and >> David K., although he didn't provide details of the incidents) seems >> like more than enough. >> >> Returning to Ryan's original comment -- >> >> "Regardless, I ask that Perry be banned from the Omni, pending mediation, >> as his actions clearly violate our safe space policy and he refused to >> take action to alter his behaviour." >> >> -- it seems to me that maybe it not being phrased as a statement may have >> engendered confusion. So maybe just do that, Ryan? TBC, apparently you >> don't need to ask anyone, and as noted if what you wanted was >> corroboration you have plenty. >> >> As for the policy discussion, if Al or anyone wants to pursue that I >> suggest they do it in a different thread. >> >> Thanks to all. >> >> -- Steve >> >>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:12 AM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Soenke <soenkeveirls(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Ok. >>> > For the record... >>> > If this is how you all are going to conduct ourselves, and treat each >>> > other, I don't really want to be a part of it anymore. >>> > This is absurd. >>> > I thought we were trying to be better people here. >>> > But I suppose I was wrong. >>> > >>> > Extremely sarcastically, I apologize for speaking up. >>> > >>> > Have a good weekend everyone. >>> >>> Hey Korl, with nothing but respect, I was just trying to express >>> solidarity with Ryan without making it about you. To me this is about >>> having a safe space where people aren't assaulted or misgendered. >>> There is nothing personal against you here. I hope you can learn to >>> see that. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> discuss mailing list >>> discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org >>> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org > https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss