[sudo-discuss] Re: meeting notes from 2023-09-20

I nominate Murien to be delegate, if they would be willing. I also nominate Autonomous to be delegate. On Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 8:56 AM Angela Miller &lt;angelarosemiller(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > I nominate Andrew to be delegate, effective immediately. > > > On Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 10:51 AM Autonomous via sudo-discuss < > sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: > >> >I don't know who Autonomous is or if they're a sudoroom member >> >> There's not much in my sudoroom profile except that it says I am a >> member - in good standing presumably since I pay dues regularly: >> https://humans.sudoroom.org/~autonomous >> >> >if you want to suggest we appoint a new delegate you can go ahead. >> >> A few years ago sudoroom had a group of delegates that were rotated for >> each Omni Commons meeting. Since Omni Commons meetings are now virtual it >> would be easier to set up another pool of delegates, if people think this >> is a good idea. This is something Yar is more familiar with than I. >> >> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 1:45 AM Jake Watters via sudo-discuss < >> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: >> >>> I don't know who Autonomous is or if they're a sudoroom member, but if >>> you want to suggest we appoint a new delegate you can go ahead. >>> >>> That said, consider that understanding of Thursday's meeting is still >>> evolving as people are realizing that demonizing Jake has been a main >>> priority of Rafiq since I first questioned the politics CLP when they were >>> applying to join Omni. >>> >>> Since it's pretty clear at this point that the interests of sudoroom >>> (as discussed in our last meeting) come down to whether or not Rafiq gets >>> his way, you should think about whether you're falling into his plans by >>> piling onto me. >>> >>> You should ask the other delegates (not including CLP/BOGSS obviously) >>> whether they think I should represent sudoroom at the next meeting. >>> >>> -jake >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 10:24 PM Andrew R Gross &lt;arg5029(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This is so, so, ugly. >>>> >>>> We need to move forward. >>>> >>>> First item: Autonomous has proposed that we appoint a new delegate. Is >>>> there anyone who is willing to be the delegate? >>>> >>>> >>>> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)* >>>> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 1:29 PM Jake Watters via sudo-discuss < >>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:52 PM Paige P &lt;pgeplan(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > even though the delegates (other than CLP of course) expressly >>>>>> agreed that BOGSS was not in session to be able to block, you interpreted >>>>>> CLP Danielle's vote to count. Blocking TANC. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think that's true... Joe said he was confused why we were >>>>>> considering BOGSS vote earlier in the meeting but not at the end. Also >>>>>> Patrick's proposal didn't pass. The last vote, and you can see in meeting >>>>>> notes, was taken disregarding BOGSS' vote, like you wanted. (Not like I >>>>>> wanted- I think that should have been decided clearly before voting. Which >>>>>> it obv wasnt, all the comments afterwards affirmed that). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't think that's reflected in the meeting notes, which list CLP >>>>> and BOGSS both as blocking, and says "according to one perspective, >>>>> the Above measures did not pass. according to another perspective, >>>>> it did." >>>>> I do think the delegates need to have another meeting ASAP to clarify >>>>> this issue. >>>>> Either way, TANC seemed uninterested in wading into our drama and I >>>>> don't blame them. It seems like CLP are going to have their way unless we >>>>> remove them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Out of concern for omni commons I really wish Jake stepped down from >>>>>> delegate position last night. If we want to remove CLP based on Rafiq's >>>>>> politics and interpersonal problems then we need to hash that out >>>>>> thoughtfully and with a lot of support from the whole community at omni. >>>>>> But in our SR meeting on Wednesday, we clearly said we thought it would not >>>>>> be strategic for you to throw call outs. Especially given the big topic of >>>>>> the meeting being CLP's concerns about TANC due to white supremacy at omni. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It was certainly my intention to be strategic and not fall for the >>>>> manipulation tactics, but as I explained, the facilitator literally made me >>>>> an agenda item and then enabled Rafiq to go after me personally. As I >>>>> mentioned in the meeting, I have a conflict with Rafiq that he started in >>>>> 2022 and that I suggested we should discuss at a later date. But the >>>>> facilitator allowed him to continue attacking me and did nothing to rein >>>>> him in, so I responded on my own behalf. >>>>> >>>>> I did my best to stay on track in the meeting but I did not have >>>>> support (in fact, an agenda item specifically addressing me is the opposite >>>>> of support) and I muted myself for the entire second half of the meeting. >>>>> I will not take responsibility for others' failure to do their part. >>>>> >>>>> -jake >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:41 PM Jake via sudo-discuss < >>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> no, the PYM people came at me first, and I answered very politely, >>>>>>> and they >>>>>>> responded very rudely and personally at me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then they decided to complain about me to the meeting, and then you >>>>>>> took the >>>>>>> vote for a THIRD TIME even though we had already decided to let >>>>>>> TANC in, and >>>>>>> then even though the delegates (other than CLP of course) expressly >>>>>>> agreed >>>>>>> that BOGSS was not in session to be able to block, you interpreted >>>>>>> CLP >>>>>>> Danielle's vote to count. Blocking TANC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And here you are blaming me, because CLP's sock puppet blocked TANC >>>>>>> because >>>>>>> Jake was rude? How does that make sense? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -jake >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2023, Yardena Cohen via sudo-discuss wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> I am comfortable with disagreeing with people when they're >>>>>>> wrong, and I am comfortable with my record on fighting for Palestinian >>>>>>> freedom for longer than some of these people have been alive. They don't >>>>>>> know what I've done, what I've lost, or what I've given for the cause and >>>>>>> they don't care, and that's their choice. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > This right here is your exact problem. Who is "they"? You took >>>>>>> Rafiq's >>>>>>> > bait and then aimed your rant at our PYM guests. Worst thing you >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> > have done. >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>>> > More options at >>>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>>> More options at >>>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>> More options at >>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>> More options at >>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at >> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> >