Re: [sudo-discuss] [omni-cdc] Proposed Safe Space Ban: Perry

> >> The point is that this conversation has become destructive. I do not > think >> pointing out people in the discuss list if helpful, only hurtful. The > CDC >> list may be a better place for in depth conversations about bans. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Mary >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Ryan <yandoryn(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> TBC I don't need a cis man telling me how I should proceed after I > was >> sexually assaulted. >> >> TBC I don't need a cis man euphemizing a sexual predator's behavior. >> >> TBC I don't need a cis man "researching" the situation to see if > there >> were more incidents. >> >> TBC I don't need a cis man adding to the tone policing in this > thread. >> >> TBC you are mansplaining right now Steve, and that's the last fucking >> thing I need right now. >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Steve Bloom <stevebloom55(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> TBC, yar, your statement necessarily had implications for what Al > said. >>> It could have been phrased to not do that even while still > expressing >>> support for Ryan. Korl can think it was unconstructive without > taking it >>> personally. I don't think the subsequent statement that Korl has > something >>> to learn here was helpful. >>> >>> That said, let's not lose track of the fact that Perry has serious >>> loss-of-boundary issues when he drinks (which seems to be > frequently). My >>> own experience (two experiences actually) is that he doesn't single > people >>> out for that (I got it too), but it's absolutely the case that the > same >>> behavior that was non-threatening for me will be very threatening > for >>> others. (Something I need to bear in mind going foward; probably I > should >>> have asked if there have been other such incidents.) >>> >>> I'm a little murky on the process here. I mean, this open > discussion >>> isn't going to be used for some sort of vote, right? >>> >>> Assuming this from David K. is correct -- >>> >>> "Yes, any member (but not guest) is empowered to temporarily ban - >>> pending conflict mediation - anyone else so following a safe space >>> violation which is what this is." >>> >>> -- then it seems that all Ryan has to do is say that Perry is > banned, >>> following which a conflict mediation process is initiated. If Ryan > didn't >>> feel that his and (as related) Ribre's particular experience was > sufficient >>> and so was asking others, then what Jenny and I added (and David K., >>> although he didn't provide details of the incidents) seems like more > than >>> enough. >>> >>> Returning to Ryan's original comment -- >>> >>> "Regardless, I ask that Perry be banned from the Omni, pending > mediation, >>> as his actions clearly violate our safe space policy and he refused > to take >>> action to alter his behaviour." >>> >>> -- it seems to me that maybe it not being phrased as a statement may > have >>> engendered confusion. So maybe just do that, Ryan? TBC, apparently > you >>> don't need to ask anyone, and as noted if what you wanted was > corroboration >>> you have plenty. >>> >>> As for the policy discussion, if Al or anyone wants to pursue that I >>> suggest they do it in a different thread. >>> >>> Thanks to all. >>> >>> -- Steve >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:12 AM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Soenke <soenkeveirls(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >>>>> Ok. >>>>> For the record... >>>>> If this is how you all are going to conduct ourselves, and treat > each >>>> other, >>>>> I don't really want to be a part of it anymore. >>>>> This is absurd. >>>>> I thought we were trying to be better people here. >>>>> But I suppose I was wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Extremely sarcastically, I apologize for speaking up. >>>>> >>>>> Have a good weekend everyone. >>>> >>>> Hey Korl, with nothing but respect, I was just trying to express >>>> solidarity with Ryan without making it about you. To me this is > about >>>> having a safe space where people aren't assaulted or misgendered. >>>> There is nothing personal against you here. I hope you can learn to >>>> see that. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> discuss mailing list >>>> discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org >>>> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> discuss mailing list >> discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org >> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss >> >>