Re: [sudo-discuss] Redirect of the "Gentrification" Thread into a more encompassing awareness.

Not sure what your angle on property rights is, but I will add that NIMBYism is about asserting control over other people's property, using imbalances and inefficiencies in the municipal zoning system. On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Craig Rouskey <craigrouskey(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: > Gentrification. It makes me think of that bench on Adeline that says "Do > something for Oakland or Leave." > > To me, doing something for the community - i.e. using our privilege to > educate and grow community across class, race and other social lines - acts > as a counterbalance to the gross non-aware/hyper-consumerist gentrification > that we see disintegrating communities throughout the bay. > > I could continue to ramble on (especially about people who tout "property > rights" then blame SF residents for their property-protective NIMBY > policies as a way to validate gentrification), but I won't. Not here. > Instead, I'll suggest that we all acknowledge that we live in a constantly > growing and changing place whose face changes simply by the amount of money > thrown at it...really, it's as bad as Liberace. We have these internal > conversations and the truth is, it's not us. We are not driving > gentrification. We are all doing what we have to do to stay in the bay > area. Some of us try to make the communities we exist in better, some of us > try to suck the life out of them. > > > That is all. > > Craig > > To quote Janis Joplin "It's all the same fucking day, man." > > > > > On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: > >> Yeah some of the non rent downsides of gentrification are worth >> enumerating because they are way more in our control. Here is the list I >> have experienced: >> >> Reduced neighborhood tolerance for semi-legitamate venues that have >> concerts and parties >> Increased enforcement of BS code violations like, "no working on your car >> in the street" >> >> Now you go, those are the only 2 I can think of. >> >> On Tuesday, May 13, 2014, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> With all respect, Oren, limiting a discussion of gentrification to rent >>> levels strikes me as a bit reductionist. It a gnarly, complex problem, >>> seems to me, and rather the antithesis of taking the "...thread to a more >>> encompassing awareness..." I.e., seems less encompassing, and considerably >>> so. >>> >>> Whether or not it's appropriate for this list I'll leave for others to >>> decide, but I do have $0.02 to contribute on that point: I've seen lots of >>> other discussions over the past 2 years on this that were at least as >>> inappropriate, if not more so. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: >>> >>>> is this discussion appropriate to this list? >>>> >>>> >>>> would be a great discussion for >>>> http://oaklandwiki.org/What_should_we_do_about_gentrification%3Fand/or >>>> http://oaklandwiki.org/gentrification >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> i think talking about stemming price inflation altogether inevitably >>>>> redirects to monetary policy >>>>> >>>>> couldn't find consistent info on "anti-fnord". why don't you fill us >>>>> in? >>>>> >>>>> on May 13, 2014, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >Make sure Oakland builds fast enough to absorb new arrivals. >>On >>>>> Tuesday, May 13, 2014, Oren Beck <orenbeck(a)gmail.com> wrote:>>There's >>>>> a set of presumptions that can inherently defy our best efforts at >>>>> redirection>even when we can offer concrete factual refutations. >> >>>>> I unhesitatingly use the phrase "Breaking Set&Setting" as a most apt >>>>> one, Call it>an "Anti-Fnord! so to speak... Do look up the ancestry of the >>>>> terms if they're not>old friends:)> > >>>>> Summary- We've a set and setting that demands inflation of rents as >>>>> if it were desirable,>or even mandatory. the end result is inevitable yet >>>>> NOT mandatory. Can we discuss>strategies to fix the Rent Problem? > >>>>> > > >>>>> >>Oren Beck>>816.632.3695 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>_______________________________________________>sudo-discuss mailing >>>>> list>sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> >>>>> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tony Barreca >>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybarreca >>> Skype: tonybarreca >>> Twitter: tbarreca >>> Mobile: (510) 710-5864 >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> > > > -- > Craig Rouskey, MSc > Medical Microbiologist and Immunologist > (510) 407-6775 > craigrouskey(a)gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >