19 Nov
2013
19 Nov
'13
11:18 a.m.
Based on what I know about thuggish ruggish degenerate bullies.
Yes. Robbing people is obviously fun. Have you ever known the type of
people that do it? I was bad in HS. The guys I dated were vandals and
bullies. They loved fighting. The people they loved fighting most were boys
their age.
When you get robbed, it's a person robbing you, usually a teenager or young
20s. A PERSON .... A PERSON with flesh and blood, with favorite foods, with
friends, with appetites, maybe a girlfriend, with a favorite song, with
rational thoughts, with irrational thoughts, with emotions, controlled and
uncontrolled. You have known people who have committed crimes probably, you
have committed crimes, probably. It's not a very mysterious person on the
other side. I don't really understand the reluctance to chat about thuggish
teens. It makes them seem more mysterious than they are. Like they are
spirits, they 'must not be named.' Perhaps it's because you are boys? As a
girl I have had the opportunity to visit these kid's houses (in
Philadelphia, but they're all of a type. The computer nerds here are like
the comp sci majors I knew at home. The anarchists are also homogeneous,
nationally. I don't expect the offspring of welfare moms to be so
different. Because they are also in a sense regular people.) I meet their
moms, I listened to their stories and motivations. Their values are as
internally consistant as those of any other subculture I've encountered.
So far this thread has generated a few "oh goodness" responses. Can anyone
articulate, at all, what something like "this thread!" Actually means? My
best guess is that readers are freaking out every time they think they've
read "black" or a synonym for black.
Will it help if I write black a few times? So, dear reader, you can read it
and get used to how freaky it makes you feel?
Black
bllaaaaaaaack
BLACK
Black black black black black black
Black people exist. There are black people. Blaaaaaccckkk pppeeeooopple.
Black people. Think about black people. Acknowledge black people.
Ok, now I'm going to write "mugger."
Did that register as a synonym of black for you? Maybe it did, maybe it
didn't. That's not the part I'm going to judge you on.
Did you notice it registering as a synonym for black? Did that fact upset
you? Ok. That is a fine cascade of internal events. What does that make you
do next? Not rhetorical.
On Tuesday, November 19, 2013, Hol Gaskill wrote:
people who have done plenty of crimes in
their lives, but no one goes
around assuming stuff about them and
treating them like they're
criminals. It's super uplifting!
- lizzard
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM, David
Barthwell
david(a)vergegraphics.com
<javascript:;>> wrote:
> To all the people sharing fun stories
and uplifting anecdotes about
> encountering black people in Oakland:
Let's not forget that there are
> actually some on this list. In fact,
I'm one of them!
> On Mon, Nov
18, 2013 at 7:36 PM, rhodey rhodey@anhonesteffort.org<javascript:;>>
wrote:
>>
>> Oh yes, it is worth noting that
I'm a white male in his early 20s.
>>
>> --
>> -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
>>
>> On 11/18/2013 07:12 PM, Sonja
Trauss wrote:
>> > this reminds me of a comment
I overheard on the bus when I lived in st
>> > louis:
>> > "I'm getting that
government money man, fuck street money, it ain't
even
>> > worth it."
>> >> > ps
are you a boy or a girl?
>> >>
>> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, rhodey
rhodey@anhonesteffort.org<javascript:;>
>> > rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org
<javascript:;>>> wrote:
>> >> >
Receiving and contemplating the perspectives of others is one of
my
>> > favorite ways to burn
metaphorical CPU cycles. The level of
respect
>> > I
>> > show for differing
perspectives is something I hope to never be
>> > content with, that is to
say I believe it's an endless process and
>> > I'm
>> > still working on it. I
have a tendency to keep my head stuck in
>> > projects and have
realized is that I've been holding out on
sharing
>> > many of my most valued
perspectives, more specifically my
>> > experiences.
>> > It is my hope that
through sharing experiences we can better
>> > understand how to
conduct ourselves within Sudo Room and how we
Sudo
>> > Room can better conduct
ourselves within our local community.
>> >> > I
arrived in the "bay area" May 1st by way of some airport in New
>> > England, in search of
hackers, activists and uncomfortable
>> > experiences. After
subletting an apartment in the mission for all
of
>> > a
>> > month I moved to West
Oakland. Since arriving in Oakland I've been
>> > robbed three times, to
me each experience has been indescribably
>> > educational in its own
way. However, my first crime related
>> > experience
>> > in Oakland was not a
crime at all.
>> >> >
There is a corner store within ~6 minutes walking distance from my
>> > apartment by West
Oakland BART called Happy Times. To me it is
>> > usually
>> > a liquor store, but this
day I felt like working through the night
>> > so
>> > I bought 2 large redbull
energy drinks. Walking home holding the
>> > redbull as best I could
in one hand I passed two African-American
>> > youths, one female, one
male and both no older than 17. We passed
>> > each
>> > other and at this time I
was about 20" from home then from behind
me
>> > I
>> > heard "hey man, can
I get a redbull?".
>> >> > I
turned around to face the two of them with a bit of a guilty
smile
>> > on my face, after all
who the fuck really needs 32oz of redbull?
>> > Caffeine, other energy
drinks, productivity and I all get along
>> > swimmingly, all the
better if I can help someone else get things
>> > done.
>> > "Sure" I said,
followed by "make good use of it" in an attempt to
>> > make
>> > the situation more
casual. I walked up and handed him the redbull,
>> > his
>> > face lit up, he went
nuts.
>> >> >
**and I quote** "Oh man! Asking is so much better than stealing!"
>> >> >
The smile stayed on his face as he continued celebrating,
exclaiming
Liz Henry
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will you preach?" -- Janelle Monae
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work; without a context, difficult to
evaluate; without peers, nearly impossible
to speak." -- Joanna Russ
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I also think
it gets less fun to rob men as they get older.
based on what? robbing young people is fun? this thread...
Nov 18, 2013 11:21:48 PM, sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com <javascript:;> wrote:
What are you talking about ?
On Monday, November 18, 2013, Liz Henry wrote:
I like to share fun anecdotes about how I was just hanging out on the
Internet on a public mailing list then met some pretty racist white