Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208

Hey Cyrus, I think putting lock-picking in a larger context (up to globally) will help folks understand that this is a helpful and inquisitive practice that, for instance, helps improve security through experience and knowledge of security systems like locks. This statement is obvious to the security / hacker community, but not obvious to many others. For me personally, when I was living in a student cooperative, I needed to unlock a filing cabinet I bought used that came without a key. I watched a Youtube video of a 14-year-old who showed me how to do it with (I believe something like) an aluminum can and a paperclip. That was very helpful, and also exposed me to the reality that simple locks provide a nominal layer of security (just pulling open), but almost always have available exploits. I wouldn't put things I wanted to keep completely secure in that filing cabinet--but I would put things I didn't want to easily walk away. That being said, it is also important to note that this is one (I believe ~30 people, sold out) of many workshops to be held over the weekend in Oakland for http://workshopweekend.net/, and one of many events that happen at sudo room. Sudo-hosted events range from coding meetups http://www.meetup.com/EBJavaScript/ and informal learning sessions http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned to local community organizing http://communitydemocracyproject.org/ and nerds who care about the environment http://nerdsfornature.org/. See more on our calendar http://sudoroom.org/calendar/ and come down this Friday during Art Murmur. // Matt On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Cyrus Farivar &lt;cfarivar(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote: > FWIW—I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on > the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has > long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can > include/add it. > > -C > > -- > Cyrus Farivar > "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" > > Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com > Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com > US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar > "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the > Internet." > cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM, > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: > > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) > 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak) > 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800 > From: Eddan Katz &lt;eddan(a)clear.net&gt; > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class > Message-ID: &lt;512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net&gt; > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that > can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog > post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of > Jean Quan to not even look into it. > > In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the > act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge. > There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd > want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of > locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to > know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are > authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify > that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach > people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by > no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes. > > We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles > before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about > it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little > more fair and balanced reporting. > > > > On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote: > > more: > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com > <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote: > > It's awesome, free press! > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren > &lt;rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com<rustylindgren@gmail.com>>> > wrote: > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of > "journalism" I have ever seen. > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is > just a cheaper version of that? (see: > http://www.lock411.com/training.html). > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go > to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling". > > -Rusty > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu > &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com&gt;&gt;&gt; > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend. > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 > > Here is Oakland Local's response: > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… > > Anca > > > -- > -=-=-=- > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal > anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com&gt;&gt; > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660> > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: > facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal> > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > -- > Cheers, > > Rusty Lindgren > ** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > >