[sudo-discuss] Re: [omni-consensus] Cleanliness Accountability Committee proposal

Why not just ask the messy groups to clean up first? Kindness and diplomacy can go further. Give the messy group some time to tidy up and move on. If it’s a real dysfunctional group that ignores multiple clean-up requests, then some sort of action by Omni could be taken. -Kent ----- Kent Leech Illustration http://www.kentleech.com kent(a)kentleech.com +1 (510) 504-0634 -- From: Jake Watters via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> Reply-To: Jake Watters <typeinthenumber(a)gmail.com> Date: Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:35 AM To: <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> Subject: [sudo-discuss] [omni-consensus] Cleanliness Accountability Committee proposal Hi Sudoroom, THIS IS IMPORTANT! The following proposal was brought to the delegate's meeting a couple of weeks ago, and tonight in the meeting it was discussed. Since I had not been attending delegates meetings for some time, I failed to forward this proposal to this list so that sudoroom could discuss our position on it. Since I am a Sudoroom member, I voiced my position through our delegate (which is me) that I am against giving a committee the power to levy fines against omni collectives/tenants/people, especially since we have not tried a process of simple communication between a cleaning collective and representatives of collectives. Ultimately the other Omni delegates felt strongly about passing the proposal, but they were willing to remove the provision giving the new Committee the ability to "impose a monetary penalty" on groups or individuals they determined were guilty of being messy. The proposal was partially passed as seen here: https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Event:2022/09/15_Delegates#cleanliness yar: if we approve the proposal but delay the fine enforcement until after our october 6 meeting, and require another affirmative consensus decision on october 6 to give them that fine enforcement power? jake: is ok with that CONSENSUS: YES (CCL/Patrik ANV/Silver SUDOROOM/Jake FNB/Helen CLP/Billy MOP/Jacqi) ABSTAIN: (SUDOMESH/Camber) BLOCK: (none), PASSES! I personally think it's unreasonable to trust a newly formed Committee with the power to, for example, determine that Sudoroom is too messy and issue "fines" of $50 per day until they feel that we have satisfied their standard, and I'm glad that the other delegates were willing to remove this provision even though they were technically capable of overriding sudoroom's objections. This provision is set to be reintroduced at the Delegate's meeting on OCTOBER 6TH and Sudoroom needs to discuss our position, in order for our delegate to represent us at that meeting. Please see the link below for the proposed text of the new Committee (same link is in the meeting notes above) and discuss the provision that's slated for October 6th Delegate's meeting. -jake ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2022 06:08:55 +0000 From: deskhandle <deskhandle(a)protonmail.com> To: consensus <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org> Subject: [omni-consensus] Cleanliness Accountability Committee proposal https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/edit/GcTDiTZqA3ao5+6hbaAuobdc/ At the delegate's meeting tonight, we discussed a proposal formulated by the Events team which is linked above. This is a draft proposal and instructions for how to suggest edits are on top of the doc. Please do not edit the content directly. In short, it exists to create a new committee which will oversee the cleanliness of the space, design and implement new systems to do so, including a monetary penalty for any space left out of order for both shared spaces and tenant spaces. If you're able to be an active and dedicated participant in that committee, please join us on Slack. This committee would also be able to spend some amount of Omni funds to clean the space regularly and keep it at a level of cleanliness that must be maintained for Omni to exist. Please check this out and get back with any thoughts, concerns, suggestions before it's voted on at the next delegate's meeting. Billy Community Liberation Programs _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org More options at https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org More options at https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/