Re: [sudo-discuss] "I will make them disabled"

These are all really valuable points. However, I think it is important to explore opportunities when they arise, and would like to suggest some folks check the space out ASAP and give the rest of us a report-back. The first available slot is tomorrow between 3-4pm. I will unfortunately be working at that time, but whoever is available and interested please email me tonight/tomorrow morning and I will send along the cell # to call. They are also available to show the space Sunday between 10-11am, and Monday-Friday afternoons and some evenings. I am down for a Thursday afternoon tour, and if I don't get any replies back for tomorrow, I'll try to schedule a Thursday tour between 3-4pm. Re: issues with the landlord: Matt, Jordan, Andrew and myself (as far as I'm aware, but I'm sure there are others) have buffered the community from most of George's incorrigible behavior (I've been yelled at for things sudoers have not even been around to do more times than I can count) - though, granted, we have also put him through what I'm sure is unexpected turbulence - but it should also be noted for the record that his rapport with the EAST BAY *MEDITATION* CENTER was horrible enough to warrant them moving out on bad terms. Andrew's suggestion re: a revision of the contract is a good one, but I have the feeling it wouldn't do much to change deeply-embedded behavior patterns. We are growing too large for the space, regardless, and I also think it could be a great opportunity for a serious crowdfunding campaign. In love and solidarity, Jenny Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://thepyre.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Tommy York <tommy.york(a)gmail.com> wrote: I completely understand why members in this thread want to move into a new space, both for the comments from the landlord and for other reasons as well (moar space!), but I'd definitely like to advocate that we proceed with due diligence. Matt mentioned trying to start a process where we continually understand the real estate market and what our options are... With that in mind, maybe we can figure out a process where: - we try to evaluate as many different spaces as possible, based on criteria determined by consensus, and in those criteria... - determine what's financially feasible, at what time period, with what funding, etc. Rusty recently sent out that survey recently about funding, and the few responses I read weren't at significantly higher price points, though our questions centered around reserves. I suppose that I see the comments from the landlord as a potential additional reason to re-evaluate the space, but not one minimally sufficient to immediately relocate. As Bill mentioned, it'd be great to form some kind of exploratory committee with the Public Schools. There's a lot of available commercial space out there, and it'd be great to try and evaluate as much as we can. If anything, this thread demonstrates that we have a lot of leverage in the management of the space. We could probably leave pretty easily, and it's likely that group consensus would be okay with that. At the very, very least, we need to ask that he respectfully talk to our members. Or, for that matter, guests of our members. You know, people. As for his conservative ideas about gender, a conversation with him when he's not in rant-mode really might help. ----------------- Thomas Riley York (杨德民) 510.926.0510 http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Sam Tepper <sam.tepper(a)gmail.com> wrote: Regarding our budget, I think that members in the past were expected to pay more, and if asked, many would be willing to pay more if it were for a good investment. Having a better deal on more space does seem to make sense to me, if we can be sure it meets all our needs. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: Aestetix: There have been other issues. I am wary of listing them out, but like I said they all surround having no clear boundaries and expectations and his communication style of just saying whats on his mind, maybe throwing in a threat, and then leaving. I think though in general we have been thinking about looking for a new (bigger) space for awhile. No time like the present to start shopping around. If we find something that fits in the budget and is close to bart why not? --Andrew On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:19 PM, aestetix <aestetix(a)aestetix.com> wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So, a move is a pretty big step. Have there been any other issues with the landlord? I do agree that gender sensitivity is important, and yet if there aren't any other complaints, I wonder if it's something we could work out with him. 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