5 May
2013
5 May
'13
10:20 p.m.
We should be clear that the part of our collective memory that is made
publicly searchable by Google et. al. is only a slice of the feast on Big
Brother's cannibal menu:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telephone-calls-recorde…
BURNETT: Tim, is there any way, obviously, there is a voice mail they can
try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point. It's not a
voice mail. It's just a conversation. There's no way they actually can find
out what happened, right, unless she tells them?
CLEMENTE: "No, *there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security
investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation.* It's
not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in
court, but it may help lead the investigation and/or lead to questioning of
her. We certainly can find that out.
BURNETT: "So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is
incredible.
CLEMENTE: "No, *welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as
we speak whether we know it or like it or not*."
"All of that stuff" - meaning every telephone conversation Americans have
with one another on US soil, with or without a search warrant - "is being
captured as we speak"
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:06 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01(a)att.net>wrote;wrote:
Rabbit & Yo's-
Here's another vote for "yes we should have a list that's not indexed by
Google."
Given the choice between posting to a list that's a direct
surveillance-feed and one that isn't, many of us will take our discussion
to the latter. (Would you rather cuddle with your friends under a
surveillance camera, or under a tree?)
But let's not call it "ephemeral," because that word, in this context, is
a white flag of surrender. It's surrender to the idea that Google is the
one and only keeper of cultural memory, and anything else is merely
transient. It's surrender to corporate power and the control state.
We should assert the right to our own collective memory, stored on our own
devices, accessible to our own community. The place for the kind of
broadcast that becomes an appetizer on Big Brother's cannibal menu, is when
the broadcast is something that'll give Big Brother indigestion.
Let Google eat our manifestos, proclamations, and press releases. But not
our soul-searches, our occasional bickering, our existential angst, or our
vulnerable self-revealing philosophizing about sex, religion, and the
meaning of life.
-G.
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On 13-05-05-Sun 5:16 PM, Rabbit wrote:
Just a reminder that the archives of this list are indexed by Google.
(For this reason I'm keeping pretty quiet here. Would anyone else like
to have a list which is not indexed? How about "sudo-ephemeral"?)
-Rabbit
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