1 Mar
2013
1 Mar
'13
7:37 p.m.
Yo's-
I think Eddan's reasoning is sound and JD's letter hits all the right
points.
It might be kinda' fun to have lockpicking competitions:
For example: here's a series of locks from easy to extremely difficult:
how many can each person pick? And, here's a medium-difficult lock: who
can pick it fastest? And, here are ten locks, you have five minutes to
pick as many as you can: who picks the most locks?
Make it a sport. Just like sport shooting contests, skeet shooting, and
target shooting at the rifle range. Nothing wrong with that.
"Lock picks don't burgle houses, people do."
-G.
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On 13-03-01-Fri 3:23 PM, Eddan wrote:
I see it somewhat differently, and think the Workshop
Weekend letter
was thoughtful and appropriate, given the circumstances.
I think the letter was most effective in almost completely narrowing a
public debate that quickly spun ridiculously out of proportion and
corrected the gross misrepresentation of the first stories covering
it. It makes a lot of sense in terms of being sensitive to the
particular climate in Oakland right now, and I didn't get the
impression that it was apologetic about actually holding the workshop.
In fact, they(we)'re going forward with holding it even after the
Police Chief himself came out publicly saying it was wrong in no
uncertain terms and the Mayor officially disassociating herself from
the initiative. To stand stubbornly firm in the context of a fatal
shooting at the last Art Murmur over rhetorical leeway would likely be
seen as insensitive and provocative.
All the sincere stuff about building skills and teaching a way of
thinking would get totally lost in the mainstream media cloud. The
editors are unsurprisingly having fun with the headlines. /See/ SF
Weekly - "Mayor Jean Quan Promotes Lock-Picking Classes, Gives Young
Burglars a Chance to Succeed"
[http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2013/02/mayor_jean_quan_offers_lock-pi.…]
It was smart to leave the core explanation of why this is important to
a block-quote by T.O.O.O.L., who teach the class. I also think it was
a smart move to pull back from selling the kits this time around - no
use getting the education meme sullied by claims of commercial
opportunism. It would be cynical not to concede that selling
lock-picking paraphernalia alongside lock-picking lessons could
reasonably be seen as inappropriate encouragement. It's not about
being right - our ultimate goal is to actually engage with the
community meaningfully, right?
All that having been said, I have not hidden my opinion that Sudo Room
should also publish a statement, as the community hosting the event in
our common space. I'm interested to find out if that sense is shared
by others and even more importantly, legitimately opposed.
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Michael Scroggins
<michaeljscroggins(a)gmail.com <mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com>> wrote:
In my opinion, the letter is overly apologetic. Neither Workshop
Weekend nor SudoRoom has done anything that needs to be apologized
for. Apologizing for the way the workshop was advertised implies
there is something wrong with the holding a public lock picking
workshop, which there is not. I wouldn't cede the rhetorical high
ground on this point.
I love the TOOL statement. I think it strikes exactly the right
note. If there is to be a SudoRoom statement (does there need to
be?) I think it should be in line with the TOOL statement.
Michael
J.D. Zamfirescu wrote:
For those interested, Workshop Weekend (that
is, my brother and
I) prepared the following statement on the lockpicking issue. We
fully support Sudo Room having its own statement on the issue too.
===========
Over the past two days, Workshop Weekend has received complaints
from concerned citizens of Oakland about the upcoming
"Introduction to Lockpicking" workshop being offered as part of
Workshop Weekend on March 2, 2013. The workshop will run as
scheduled, but in response to community concerns, lock-picking
tools will no longer be offered for sale at the event.
As Oakland residents ourselves, we have felt Oakland's crime
problem, and we appreciate the community's concerns that offering
a lock-picking workshop appears to encourage crime and sends the
wrong message. We recognize now that it was insensitive to have
the workshop listed and broadcast in the way that it was, and we
regret doing so.
To provide some background, Workshop Weekend invited The Open
Organization of Lockpickers (TOOOL) to run a workshop about
lock-picking and lock mechanisms this weekend.
Exploring lock-picking and understanding the limitations of locks
is valuable for everyone who relies on locks for physical
security, and in kids it can spark an interest in mechanical
engineering and complex systems.
We would also like to share the following note from TOOOL, the
group offering the session: "We in TOOOL are of course sensitive
to the concern that occasionally surrounds our lock-themed
workshops. We can only hope that the atmosphere of openness,
information sharing, and strong ethical standards which is a part
of all TOOOL meetings can assuage some concerns. Knowing about
the weaknesses in certain locks protects the public; it does not
aid criminals. Please visit our website -- toool.us
<http://toool.us> -- for more information."
We hope this note makes things clear to everyone; our goal is
provide an educational and inclusive experience for everyone in
Oakland who would like to be involved with our events.
/Workshop Weekend is a two-day celebration of hands-on learning
taking place in the heart of downtown Oakland, bringing together
kids and adults from Oakland as well as the rest of the Bay Area.
The event encourages exploration of new interests and passions by
offering over 40 workshops in subjects not typically taught in
schools, including aeroponics, electronics, and 3D printing. For
more information, visit workshopweekend.net
<http://workshopweekend.net>/
We welcome your thoughts and comments at
feedback(a)workshopweekend.net <mailto:feedback@workshopweekend.net>
===========
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:44 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu
<zamfire(a)gmail.com <mailto:zamfire@gmail.com>> wrote:
Michael, you're not missing anything -- we haven't finished
drafting the workshop weekend statement yet. :)
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Michael Scroggins
<michaeljscroggins(a)gmail.com
<mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com>> wrote:
I must have missed something in the email chain as I am
unaware of the Workshop Weekend letter. Of course, you
are right that the two letters should match, especially
in front of the media. I can't help to think, though,
that this is an opportunity to drive home the broader
point that neither curiosity nor association is a crime.
Eddan Katz wrote:
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correcting the misuse of
the word unconscionable can be respectful to the police
chief and informative about the difference between
skills and criminal intent.
If Sudo Room does a separate statement, it should follow
on Workshop Weekend's letter and support its posture and
position.
There'll be TV cameras there this weekend - we can feel
pretty confident about that. It would be very useful to
share a common understanding in order not to have our
purpose misrepresented.
sent from eddan.com <http://eddan.com>
On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Michael Scroggins
<michaeljscroggins(a)gmail.com
<mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I think a statement is well and proper. I also think
> arguing the right to disinterest inquiry is the proper
> line.
>
> To the earlier back and forth about "known gang
> members" ... one of the differences between the people
> at SudoRoom and "known gang members" is simply that to
> be classified as "known" is to be stripped of your
> right to disinterested inquiry. All of your actions
> having been prejudged as interested and malicious.
>
> If the letter is worded right we can make a statement
> about the lock picking class and about the direction
> policing in Oakland has taken.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> Eddan Katz wrote:
>> J.D. - do you think there should be an additional
>> statement from Sudo Room?
>>
>> Before we proceed any further - does anyone have
>> objections to writing such a letter or signing on to
>> it? What the statement says is another matter for
>> which Sudo member objections should also feel
>> empowered to raise. Comments can be made anonymously
>> on the etherpad or on IRC, if someone isn't
>> comfortable doing it on the list.
>>
>> sent from eddan.com <http://eddan.com>
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "J.D. Zamfirescu"
>> <zamfire(a)gmail.com <mailto:zamfire@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, we were hoping to publish it tonight. Let me
>>> try to draft something and send it on?
>>>
>>> Part of me is concerned about editing a public
>>> statement on a public list...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Eddan
>>> <eddan(a)clear.net <mailto:eddan@clear.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> J.D. - where were you thinking of publishing this
>>> letter?
>>>
>>> I think it would make for a stronger and more
>>> thoughtful response if there was a collective
>>> voice signing on to it either as a group or
>>> listed as individuals.
>>>
>>> With the help of the collective editorial prowess
>>> of the Sudo list, do you think you would be ready
>>> to publish it before tomorrow morning?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Eddan
>>> <eddan(a)clear.net <mailto:eddan@clear.net>>
wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the question is, rather - Can you get
>>> hired by a locksmith company without knowing
>>> how to pick a lock?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM,
>>> <thadwooster(a)gmail.com
>>> <mailto:thadwooster@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I could be totally wrong on this, but I
>>> believe locksmiths are required to be
>>> bonded, fingerprinted and licensed.
>>>
>>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 4:59 PM, rusty
>>> lindgren wrote:
>>>
>>>> WTF #@*)DKLJ
>>>>
>>>> I sent an email to that newb at the
>>>> newspaper... UM, where do they think
>>>> locksmiths learn stuff? Should they
>>>> have to pay to become a locksmith???
>>>>
>>>> So stupid.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Marina
>>>> Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ftfy!: THIS is unconscionable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM,
>>>> Eddan <eddan(a)clear.net
>>>> <mailto:eddan@clear.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Now, this requires a response.
>>>> Has anybody started drafting
>>>> something? If not, I will.
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> Oakland Police Chief Howard
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Howard+Jordan%22>
was
>>>> not pleased.
>>>>
>>>> "I'm in shock that people would
>>>> provide a class to teach people
>>>> a skill to violate the law,"
>>>> Jordan said. "It's
unconscionable."
>>>>
>>>> Lock-pick instructor Michael
>>>> Fitzhugh
>>>>
<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Michael+Fitzhugh%22>
is
>>>> a member of TOOOL (The Open
>>>> Organisation Of Lockpickers
>>>>
<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Open+Organisation+Of+Lockpickers%22>),
>>>> a Netherlands-based outfit that
>>>> teaches and holds national and
>>>> international lock-picking
>>>> events annually. In their world,
>>>> lock picking is done for sport
>>>> and bragging rights. But, he
>>>> says, it's also a useful tool if
>>>> you lock yourself out of your home.
>>>>
>>>> Jordan has a more conventional
>>>> solution to that problem: "Call
>>>> a locksmith!"
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Quan-s-wrong-note-on-lock-picking-cla…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even worse than Quan, this guy's
>>>> so desperate to change the
>>>> subject about the incompetence
>>>> of the OPD in news story after
>>>> news story.
>>>>
>>>> Unconscionable!?! This coming
>>>> from a police department that
>>>> was about to go into an
>>>> unprecedented federal
>>>> receivership for its failure to
>>>> reform; not to mention a police
>>>> department seared with a global
>>>> reputation for brutality,
>>>> racism, and excessive means; and
>>>> whose fundamental
>>>> miscalculations and
>>>> mismanagement of the response to
>>>> Occupy cost the city millions of
>>>> dollars.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Rusty Lindgren
>>>> **
>>>>
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