19 Nov
2013
19 Nov
'13
2:34 p.m.
As a warning, unless you're working on a project regarding
race/sex/gender, then I wouldn't discuss it here. In other activist
spaces, these discussions were used as a tool (by groups unknown to me)
to label the space as racist or sexist. If you're using any physical
characteristics to describe something negative about a person, then I'm
going to take offense to it. If you have a problem with something, use
the name of that person specifically for that particular instance.
Otherwise, you're using labels with no purpose except to associate
negative ideas about a race, sex, or gender.
Jeremy
On 2013-11-19 14:11, Hol Gaskill wrote:
I hope no one is forming opinions on the whole of sudo
room based on
communications originating from specific people. If you look back on
the archives, I think there are many personalities that are vocal on
the sudo-discuss list - this does not translate into cultural
influence, nor should it be construed as representative of the values
anyone other than the person behind their own keyboard. I for one do
not consider anyone a representative of my race, culture, social
group, profession, or family and it is unfortunate that we have
repeated probings asking for the same from a sudoer on the basis of
race-based perspective. Anyways, I hope no one is confusing post
volume on the list discussion with representation of sudo room values
cheers,
Hol
Nov 19, 2013 02:00:31 PM, david(a)vergegraphics.com wrote:
Thank you Rhodey - I appreciate the assist.
If your question was not answered the
first time please consider that
the people may not want to answer. No one
should be pressured into
participating in a conversation, I for
one am removing myself from
whats
become of this. If anyone would still
like to contact me about any of
the content I have put forth within this
thread I ask that you please
do
so in person or in an off-list email.
--
-- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
On 11/19/2013 01:03 PM, Sonja Trauss
wrote:
> I still want to know whether David
has any info/ insights on the
> relative vulnerability to mugging of
white v black men. Or if anyone
> on
> here has any notion for vulnerability
based on race.
> For me, I notice that walking
around with a white man generates more
> threatening comments than if I was
walking alone. That and also what
> reports from white men about being
mugged and held up leads me to
> believe I would be more vulnerable to
being mugged if I was a boy.
> Are there any black girls on
the list that have a similar set of
> anecdotal datas? or black men
walking alone v. walking w white men?
> I can't tell if there is no
personal data, or what. Rhodey gave some.
> It
> confirmed the other data I had. Any
more either way?
> On Tue, Nov
19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Chris Bee hotelcompany(a)gmail.com
> hotelcompany(a)gmail.com>>
wrote:
> I don't mind discussing
this topic as long as it's constructive
> and
> keeps the finger pointing to a
minimum.
> Unfortunately there's
plenty of shitty people out there...or as my
> mom used to say, "asshole is
a rainbow word." Honest and frank
> discussion about assholes is not
a bad thing...categorizing or
> generalizing those assholes based
on appearance or other factors
> is
> iffy and something I try to
avoid.
> -chrisbee
>
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So I guess that this is the famous "call-out culture" of Sudoroom in
effect?
Sonja, I'll try to find some time to reply to this entire thread in a
bit (gainfully employed - none of that government money for me, thank
you).
I AM a black person, but I am most unfortunately
not a statistician
nor a sociologist, nor have I conducted any studies - formal or
informal - on the correlation between property crime and race. If
you're genuinely curious about the data and not just making some ...
point, there's always Google. Or DuckDuckGo. Whatever.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM, rhodey rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org wrote:
Sonja,