18 Nov
2013
18 Nov
'13
10:12 p.m.
wait, huh? what does having kids or being under 22 have to do with crime?
on the surface that sounds really fucked up.
-amber
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
oh.
Guaranteed basic income, that does NOT increase if you have children. You
receive it starting at, say, 22. No earlier.
There are org.s that are working on advocating for it. I guess I should
start volunteering more.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, rhodey <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org> wrote:
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There is a class of discussions I feel
comfortable having on a public
mailing list and a class of discussions I feel more comfortable having
in person. While I agree that race and age are relevant factors in being
the target of crime, the target discussion is not a discussion I'm
interested in having or intended to spur.
What I'm more interested in exploring is the preventative measures that
can be taken to decrease crime at the society level and how Sudo Room
can lend a hand.
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On 11/18/2013 08:17 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
it
level of
out
on
uncomfortable
related
through
the
We
get
the
celebrating,
this
experiences I
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no way man! your age/ race / gender is super
relevant I think for how at
risk you are for being hassled, and in what way.
I think gender is the most important. Super crazy people and females
will rob ladies, but crazy people, females AND healthy, red-blooded
American bullies will rob boys. I would bet $70 that the three times you
were robbed, if I had walked by that corner instead of you, your robbers
would have said "hey girl, can I go w chu"? to me and I would not have
been robbed.
I also think it gets less fun to rob men as they get older.
David - you're black, do you have any info on the relative safety from
mugging of black women and men?
I would expect the same dynamic to play out - it's not that fun to rob
women, it's not as cool of a story. What about the relative safety of
black and white men? I think white men and women imagine they would be
safer in a black neighbourhood if they were black, but I don't believe
that. I'm pretty sure the main victims of black criminals are other
black people.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM, rhodey <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org
<mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>> wrote:
I am sincerely sorry that I've made you uncomfortable. It was my
intention to share an experience that better helped me understand
motivations for crime, not an experience with other ethnic groups.
Retrospectively I'd rather not have answered the last question
because
it wrongly places focus elsewhere.
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-- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
On 11/18/2013 07:50 PM, David Barthwell wrote:
> To all the people sharing fun stories and uplifting anecdotes
about
> encountering black people in Oakland:
Let's not forget that
there are
> actually some on this list. In fact,
I'm one of them!
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM, rhodey <
rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org
<mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>
20s.
<mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org
<mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>>> wrote:
>
> Oh yes, it is worth noting that I'm a white male in his early
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On 11/18/2013 07:12 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:
> this reminds me of a comment I overheard on the bus when I
lived in
st
> > louis:
> > "I'm getting that government money man, fuck street money,
ain't even
> worth it."
>
> ps are you a boy or a girl?
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, rhodey
<rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org
<mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>
<mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org
<mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>>
> <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org
<mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>
<mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org
<mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>>>> wrote:
>
> Receiving and contemplating the perspectives of others
is one
> of my
> > favorite ways to burn metaphorical CPU cycles. The
respect I
> show for differing perspectives is something I hope to
never be
> content with, that is to say I
believe it's an endless
process
and I'm
> still working on it. I have a tendency to keep my head
stuck in
> > projects and have realized is that I've been holding > sharing
> > many of my most valued perspectives, more specifically
my
> experiences.
> > It is my hope that through sharing experiences we can
better
> > understand how to conduct
ourselves within Sudo Room
and how
we
Sudo
> Room can better conduct ourselves within our local
community.
>
> I arrived in the "bay area" May 1st by way of some
airport in New
> > England, in search of hackers, activists and >
experiences. After subletting an apartment in the
mission for
all of a
> month I moved to West Oakland. Since arriving in Oakland
I've
been
> robbed three times, to me each
experience has been
indescribably
> > educational in its own way. However, my first crime
experience
> in Oakland was not a crime at all.
>
> There is a corner store within ~6 minutes walking
distance from
my
> apartment by West Oakland BART
called Happy Times. To me
it is
> usually
> > a liquor store, but this day I felt like working night
so
> I bought 2 large redbull energy drinks. Walking home
holding the
> redbull as best I could in one hand
I passed two
African-American
> > youths, one female, one male and both no older than 17. > passed each
> > other and at this time I was about 20" from home then
from
behind me I
> heard "hey man, can I get a redbull?".
>
> I turned around to face the two of them with a bit of a
guilty
smile
> on my face, after all who the fuck really needs 32oz of
redbull?
> Caffeine, other energy drinks,
productivity and I all
get along
> > swimmingly, all the better if I can help someone else
things done.
> "Sure" I said, followed by "make good use of it" in an
attempt
> to make
> > the situation more casual. I walked up and handed him
redbull, his
> face lit up, he went nuts.
>
> **and I quote** "Oh man! Asking is so much better than
stealing!"
> >
> > The smile stayed on his face as he continued
exclaiming
> all possible iterations of the above statement as I
stood their
> dumbfounded. This continued for
minutes until we parted
ways,
up the
> stairs and into the house I could still hear him talking
with
his
> > friend.
> >
> > This was certainly not the first time he'd been told of >
sentiment, but after ~17 years of living it was the
first time
> he had
> > ever believed it. There are at least 3 other would
like
> to share in time, but for now I'll leave it at this.
>
> --
> -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙
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