thanks for pointing to the article. definitely worthwhile. i think the most interesting thing about ""But you guys are winning! The progressives and feminists are winning in everything, in politics and media!"" is that he's confused about what exactly is winning. he thinks that it's zero sum...that it's like women up, men down. but in reality it's inclusion and inclusive, collaborative people up; exclusive, bigoted hierarchical people down. when inclusion and collaboration win, everyone wins - it's not zero sum. but perhaps his inability to see this difference is why he remains an exclusive, hierarchical asshole. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca(a)techliminal.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss