23 Jan
2015
23 Jan
'15
11:30 a.m.
We've got a lot of big items scheduled for next week's meeting, and it'd be
helpful to start talking about them now so that the meeting itself can be
as fruitful as possible without stretching on into midnight. One of the
bigger items is the "Stealing Shit Policy," which would outline an
appropriate response to theft in the space. It might be worth extending
this into something more like the "Confrontation Response Policy," so that
it could address other situations in which someone is threatening the space
or its membership, whether they're drunkenly destroying items or verbally
accosting people.
I spoke with several people about how we could deal with these situations
without calling the police or violating our safe space agreements
<https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safe_space>. Most of us were at a loss, but
Ryan had some good initial suggestions. I've outlined them below as best I
recall:
- If someone is trying to leave the space with a stolen item, call all
hands on deck and block the entrances until they've relinquished it.
- If someone is harassing people or damaging the space, ask them to
leave. If they refuse to leave, then call all hands on deck and form a
human net around them. Without touching them, guide them out the door.
- Only if someone is physically violent do we respond with physical
force.
These responses would be absolute last resorts, and hopefully we would
never need to employ them. Still, even if we tighten down our entrance
policies, we should be ready to respond to people who are abusing the space
and its membership. This way, we'll be prepared to respond in a way that's
aligned with our values.
Are there other ideas about how to deal with these types of situations?
I've reached out to some radical spaces back in Austin to see how they
would respond. If there are other spaces in town that might have some
perspective or techniques, it'd be great to hear from them too.
-null
23 Jan
23 Jan
1:32 p.m.
I love "Confrontation Response Policy".
Should also include a reminder to take a picture or collect contact info of
the perpetrators if possible, and suggestions for how to do so in a way
that does not escalate an already potentially dangerous situation.
Patrik
On Jan 23, 2015 11:30 AM, "null null null" <null(a)revolution.cheap> wrote:
We've got a lot of big items scheduled for next
week's meeting, and it'd
be helpful to start talking about them now so that the meeting itself can
be as fruitful as possible without stretching on into midnight. One of the
bigger items is the "Stealing Shit Policy," which would outline an
appropriate response to theft in the space. It might be worth extending
this into something more like the "Confrontation Response Policy," so that
it could address other situations in which someone is threatening the space
or its membership, whether they're drunkenly destroying items or verbally
accosting people.
I spoke with several people about how we could deal with these situations
without calling the police or violating our safe space agreements
<https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safe_space>. Most of us were at a loss, but
Ryan had some good initial suggestions. I've outlined them below as best I
recall:
- If someone is trying to leave the space with a stolen item, call all
hands on deck and block the entrances until they've relinquished it.
- If someone is harassing people or damaging the space, ask them to
leave. If they refuse to leave, then call all hands on deck and form a
human net around them. Without touching them, guide them out the door.
- Only if someone is physically violent do we respond with physical
force.
These responses would be absolute last resorts, and hopefully we would
never need to employ them. Still, even if we tighten down our entrance
policies, we should be ready to respond to people who are abusing the space
and its membership. This way, we'll be prepared to respond in a way that's
aligned with our values.
Are there other ideas about how to deal with these types of situations?
I've reached out to some radical spaces back in Austin to see how they
would respond. If there are other spaces in town that might have some
perspective or techniques, it'd be great to hear from them too.
-null
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There has to be a way to prevent people from re entering, or effectively
banning people from the space if serious rules (violence, theft, etc) are
violated
On Jan 23, 2015 1:32 PM, "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I love "Confrontation Response Policy".
Should also include a reminder to take a picture or collect contact info
of the perpetrators if possible, and suggestions for how to do so in a way
that does not escalate an already potentially dangerous situation.
Patrik
On Jan 23, 2015 11:30 AM, "null null null" <null(a)revolution.cheap>
wrote:
We've got a lot of big items scheduled for
next week's meeting, and it'd
be helpful to start talking about them now so that the meeting itself can
be as fruitful as possible without stretching on into midnight. One of the
bigger items is the "Stealing Shit Policy," which would outline an
appropriate response to theft in the space. It might be worth extending
this into something more like the "Confrontation Response Policy," so that
it could address other situations in which someone is threatening the space
or its membership, whether they're drunkenly destroying items or verbally
accosting people.
I spoke with several people about how we could deal with these situations
without calling the police or violating our safe space agreements
<https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safe_space>. Most of us were at a loss,
but Ryan had some good initial suggestions. I've outlined them below as
best I recall:
- If someone is trying to leave the space with a stolen item, call
all hands on deck and block the entrances until they've relinquished it.
- If someone is harassing people or damaging the space, ask them to
leave. If they refuse to leave, then call all hands on deck and form a
human net around them. Without touching them, guide them out the door.
- Only if someone is physically violent do we respond with physical
force.
These responses would be absolute last resorts, and hopefully we would
never need to employ them. Still, even if we tighten down our entrance
policies, we should be ready to respond to people who are abusing the space
and its membership. This way, we'll be prepared to respond in a way that's
aligned with our values.
Are there other ideas about how to deal with these types of situations?
I've reached out to some radical spaces back in Austin to see how they
would respond. If there are other spaces in town that might have some
perspective or techniques, it'd be great to hear from them too.
-null
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9:45 p.m.
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Karissa McKelvey <
karissa.mckelvey(a)gmail.com> wrote:
There has to be a way to prevent people from re
entering, or effectively
banning people from the space if serious rules (violence, theft, etc) are
violated
There is.
https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Bans
https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy
On Jan 23, 2015 1:32 PM, "Patrik
D'haeseleer" <patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I love "Confrontation Response
Policy".
Should also include a reminder to take a picture or collect contact info
of the perpetrators if possible, and suggestions for how to do so in a way
that does not escalate an already potentially dangerous situation.
Patrik
On Jan 23, 2015 11:30 AM, "null null null" <null(a)revolution.cheap>
wrote:
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We've got a lot of big items scheduled for
next week's meeting, and it'd
be helpful to start talking about them now so that the meeting itself can
be as fruitful as possible without stretching on into midnight. One of the
bigger items is the "Stealing Shit Policy," which would outline an
appropriate response to theft in the space. It might be worth extending
this into something more like the "Confrontation Response Policy," so that
it could address other situations in which someone is threatening the space
or its membership, whether they're drunkenly destroying items or verbally
accosting people.
I spoke with several people about how we could deal with these
situations without calling the police or violating our safe space
agreements <https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safe_space>. Most of us were
at a loss, but Ryan had some good initial suggestions. I've outlined them
below as best I recall:
- If someone is trying to leave the space with a stolen item, call
all hands on deck and block the entrances until they've relinquished it.
- If someone is harassing people or damaging the space, ask them to
leave. If they refuse to leave, then call all hands on deck and form a
human net around them. Without touching them, guide them out the door.
- Only if someone is physically violent do we respond with physical
force.
These responses would be absolute last resorts, and hopefully we would
never need to employ them. Still, even if we tighten down our entrance
policies, we should be ready to respond to people who are abusing the space
and its membership. This way, we'll be prepared to respond in a way that's
aligned with our values.
Are there other ideas about how to deal with these types of situations?
I've reached out to some radical spaces back in Austin to see how they
would respond. If there are other spaces in town that might have some
perspective or techniques, it'd be great to hear from them too.
-null
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