9 Mar
2018
9 Mar
'18
3:18 p.m.
Hello Sudoroom & Omnicommons,
Earlier in the day when nobody was in Sudoroom, I removed one table (from
the dual table island adjacent to CCL). I set it up outside, as I using it
as a worktable for hacking on my van). About two hours later Steven came
blaring out the rear doors, yelling at me specifically saying "Fuck you"
over again, and "You have taken my table". "Fuck you" You could have
taken
any other table, but you have taken my fucking table."
For the first couple of minutes I was trying to decipher if he was serious
or saying in a joking manner, then he kept yelling at me about the table.
I then tried to explain to him that nobody was in Sudoroom and there are
many other places to work (including the other table that is still connect
to the island).
He then yelled at me some more, and Max from Phat Beets came out and said
they were having a meeting. He then continued to yell over Max after that
was stated. I then proceed to ask Steven for proof of ownership of the
table, and also how does he own it. I also then asked how does he own this
table that (I'm pretty sure) is owned by Sudoroom.
My arms are still shaking from the trauma that this has caused (as I do
suffer from PTSD, for many quite a few big, serious reasons).
I do feel these blows are a pattern of behavior that should not be ignored.
As when Sudomesh was having a meeting on Sunday, Steve blew up because
somebody damaged his trailer's lock, and was loud and disruptive about it
for many hours during that day.
There was also a time that his laptop got stolen, and he flipped and kicked
a set of plastic bins in Sudoroom.
This explosive behavior is hard for me to deal with because of my PTSD.
The biggest thing with what has just transpired, is that the safe space
policy was tremendously violated, toward me, over something that really
should not have been an issue at all.
I am using a table that no one was using, it did have Steven's laptop bag
stored/attached to one of the feet. I think that is the bigger unsaid
reason of why he is upset. His personal stuff was touched.
This event happen about 1:15pm, and I am still a little unnerved. Right
after this happened I talked to another Sudoroom member about advice on
what to do, and was also calmed a bit as well. He recommend an email.
I also plan not having any interaction with Steven, and will avoid him, and
ignore him further. I don't feel safe around him.
Thanks for reading
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
9 Mar
9 Mar
3:23 p.m.
He also recently approached me, and I stated clearly "Please don't talk to
me, I don't feel comfortable talking to you." He then continued asking me
what he was going to ask me, then I stated it again. I then stated it a
third time, and then he finally responded by saying "Well you know you
should get that looked at."
I politely asked he to not talk to me, and explained how I felt, only to be
insulted there after. This was around 2:50ish pm.
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Sudoroom & Omnicommons,
Earlier in the day when nobody was in Sudoroom, I removed one table (from
the dual table island adjacent to CCL). I set it up outside, as I using it
as a worktable for hacking on my van). About two hours later Steven came
blaring out the rear doors, yelling at me specifically saying "Fuck you"
over again, and "You have taken my table". "Fuck you" You could have
taken
any other table, but you have taken my fucking table."
For the first couple of minutes I was trying to decipher if he was serious
or saying in a joking manner, then he kept yelling at me about the table.
I then tried to explain to him that nobody was in Sudoroom and there are
many other places to work (including the other table that is still connect
to the island).
He then yelled at me some more, and Max from Phat Beets came out and said
they were having a meeting. He then continued to yell over Max after that
was stated. I then proceed to ask Steven for proof of ownership of the
table, and also how does he own it. I also then asked how does he own this
table that (I'm pretty sure) is owned by Sudoroom.
My arms are still shaking from the trauma that this has caused (as I do
suffer from PTSD, for many quite a few big, serious reasons).
I do feel these blows are a pattern of behavior that should not be
ignored. As when Sudomesh was having a meeting on Sunday, Steve blew up
because somebody damaged his trailer's lock, and was loud and disruptive
about it for many hours during that day.
There was also a time that his laptop got stolen, and he flipped and
kicked a set of plastic bins in Sudoroom.
This explosive behavior is hard for me to deal with because of my PTSD.
The biggest thing with what has just transpired, is that the safe space
policy was tremendously violated, toward me, over something that really
should not have been an issue at all.
I am using a table that no one was using, it did have Steven's laptop bag
stored/attached to one of the feet. I think that is the bigger unsaid
reason of why he is upset. His personal stuff was touched.
This event happen about 1:15pm, and I am still a little unnerved. Right
after this happened I talked to another Sudoroom member about advice on
what to do, and was also calmed a bit as well. He recommend an email.
I also plan not having any interaction with Steven, and will avoid him,
and ignore him further. I don't feel safe around him.
Thanks for reading
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
3:31 p.m.
It is now 3:29pm, and Steven just approached me to tell me that he would
forward the message, I cut him off and told him again please don't talk to
me. I do not feel comfortable talking to you.
The fact the he approached me again is really unnerving. I have a deadline
on the project that I am working on for tonight, and because of all of this
additional overhead, I may miss it. These interactions have been really
disruptive toward me working as planned (and on time) of my current
project.
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
He also recently approached me, and I stated clearly
"Please don't talk to
me, I don't feel comfortable talking to you." He then continued asking me
what he was going to ask me, then I stated it again. I then stated it a
third time, and then he finally responded by saying "Well you know you
should get that looked at."
I politely asked he to not talk to me, and explained how I felt, only to
be insulted there after. This was around 2:50ish pm.
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Sudoroom & Omnicommons,
Earlier in the day when nobody was in Sudoroom, I removed one table (from
the dual table island adjacent to CCL). I set it up outside, as I using it
as a worktable for hacking on my van). About two hours later Steven came
blaring out the rear doors, yelling at me specifically saying "Fuck you"
over again, and "You have taken my table". "Fuck you" You could have
taken
any other table, but you have taken my fucking table."
For the first couple of minutes I was trying to decipher if he was
serious or saying in a joking manner, then he kept yelling at me about the
table.
I then tried to explain to him that nobody was in Sudoroom and there are
many other places to work (including the other table that is still connect
to the island).
He then yelled at me some more, and Max from Phat Beets came out and said
they were having a meeting. He then continued to yell over Max after that
was stated. I then proceed to ask Steven for proof of ownership of the
table, and also how does he own it. I also then asked how does he own this
table that (I'm pretty sure) is owned by Sudoroom.
My arms are still shaking from the trauma that this has caused (as I do
suffer from PTSD, for many quite a few big, serious reasons).
I do feel these blows are a pattern of behavior that should not be
ignored. As when Sudomesh was having a meeting on Sunday, Steve blew up
because somebody damaged his trailer's lock, and was loud and disruptive
about it for many hours during that day.
There was also a time that his laptop got stolen, and he flipped and
kicked a set of plastic bins in Sudoroom.
This explosive behavior is hard for me to deal with because of my PTSD.
The biggest thing with what has just transpired, is that the safe space
policy was tremendously violated, toward me, over something that really
should not have been an issue at all.
I am using a table that no one was using, it did have Steven's laptop bag
stored/attached to one of the feet. I think that is the bigger unsaid
reason of why he is upset. His personal stuff was touched.
This event happen about 1:15pm, and I am still a little unnerved. Right
after this happened I talked to another Sudoroom member about advice on
what to do, and was also calmed a bit as well. He recommend an email.
I also plan not having any interaction with Steven, and will avoid him,
and ignore him further. I don't feel safe around him.
Thanks for reading
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
4:09 p.m.
To the group as a whole, I apologizing for causing Robert stress, I did
yell at him outside the Omni, though only with the intent of re-expressing
something that I had expressed the previous day in a more clear and
somewhat comedic manner. It seemed that perhaps with his high energy level,
my normal tone the previous day had not registered because I hadn't
bothered to sound upset. So today I intentionally let him know that I was
upset. Now - the issue at hand is something I set myself up for: most
nights, especially when it is raining, I have made it a habit of leaving my
laptop in a basket under a table at the front. There's no pressing reason
to leave it there - my little abode is waterproof and lockable, but not
while I am asleep, and the unlikely scenario of someone opening the door
while I'm unconscious and managing to walk off with my irreplaceable gear
means I've felt safer leaving it semi-secured inside the building rather
than with me at night. Two days in a row, however, I found the basket with
my laptop bag sitting forlorn and alone in the middle of the floor in the
general 'donataions/hack-this' zone where I couldn't blame anyone if they
would have come before me and adopted it. I grumbled good naturedly at
Robert yesterday, just to point out the situation that resulted when the
table went away and suggested he should have taken the other table of the
pair -- or move the basket under the remaining table instead. Today, I
found the same scenario repeated and decided to actually show that I was
upset. If this apparently frightened or caused stress to Robert, I'm sorry
- that was neither my intention nor at all expected. I just chose to be a
little more theatrical and high energy in communicating with a boisterous
high energy individual who had disregarded my previous attempts at
communication. That he apparently mistook this as threatening is
unfortunate and unexpected - again, I was just trying to more match his
normal energy level and boisterousness since my more flat and
matter-of-fact communication previously had not worked. Again, sorry to all
for causing any unneeded chaos, and in the future I will avoid the problem
by simply keeping my laptop with me at night and therefore not having to
worry about it.
10 Mar
10 Mar
12:38 p.m.
if either party wishes for someone to help mediate this matter, i am
available
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Steve Leach <stevenaleach(a)gmail.com> wrote:
To the group as a whole, I apologizing for causing
Robert stress, I did
yell at him outside the Omni, though only with the intent of re-expressing
something that I had expressed the previous day in a more clear and
somewhat comedic manner. It seemed that perhaps with his high energy level,
my normal tone the previous day had not registered because I hadn't
bothered to sound upset. So today I intentionally let him know that I was
upset. Now - the issue at hand is something I set myself up for: most
nights, especially when it is raining, I have made it a habit of leaving my
laptop in a basket under a table at the front. There's no pressing reason
to leave it there - my little abode is waterproof and lockable, but not
while I am asleep, and the unlikely scenario of someone opening the door
while I'm unconscious and managing to walk off with my irreplaceable gear
means I've felt safer leaving it semi-secured inside the building rather
than with me at night. Two days in a row, however, I found the basket with
my laptop bag sitting forlorn and alone in the middle of the floor in the
general 'donataions/hack-this' zone where I couldn't blame anyone if they
would have come before me and adopted it. I grumbled good naturedly at
Robert yesterday, just to point out the situation that resulted when the
table went away and suggested he should have taken the other table of the
pair -- or move the basket under the remaining table instead. Today, I
found the same scenario repeated and decided to actually show that I was
upset. If this apparently frightened or caused stress to Robert, I'm sorry
- that was neither my intention nor at all expected. I just chose to be a
little more theatrical and high energy in communicating with a boisterous
high energy individual who had disregarded my previous attempts at
communication. That he apparently mistook this as threatening is
unfortunate and unexpected - again, I was just trying to more match his
normal energy level and boisterousness since my more flat and
matter-of-fact communication previously had not worked. Again, sorry to all
for causing any unneeded chaos, and in the future I will avoid the problem
by simply keeping my laptop with me at night and therefore not having to
worry about it.
_______________________________________________
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sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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12 Mar
12 Mar
11:28 a.m.
Hello Robb, thank you for your volunteering to do so. After reflecting off
of this for three days. I am still a bit shaken over the incident, and
don't think I even wish to mediate currently, my hands were truly shaking
for about two hours after his barrage of verbal assaults toward me. I don't
really even feel comfortable talking through a mediator with him as well at
the current time.
He tried bullying me to force me to feel sorry for him, for something in
which I clearly had done no wrong. He got pissed that I moved "his table",
because it had his laptop bag attached to it. "THERE IS NO PERSONAL STORAGE
AT SUDOROOM", if he didn't violate this, then this would not have
transpired."
Then I told him how I felt, not to talk to me and was insulted. (assertion
of dominance, again).
IMHO through his actions, he straight up bullied me and I defended myself
by contacting another Sudoroom member for support and advice on the matter
(who lucky enough was able to pick up during working business hours). I
felt like I was being whipped mentally everytime he would yell over me
yelling "F**K You" multiple times." And lying about owning a table.
I don't tolerate people like that and don't engage with them at all.
Currently in my life I am not friends, or even associated with anyone, who
acts in such ways at all.
THE SAFE SPACE POLICY WAS CLEARLY VIOLATED AS WELL!!!
Thank you Robb once again stepping up, and your support.
(even writing this is still eating at the back of my head)
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 12:38 PM, robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
if either party wishes for someone to help mediate
this matter, i am
available
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Steve Leach <stevenaleach(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
To the group as a whole, I apologizing for
causing Robert stress, I did
yell at him outside the Omni, though only with the intent of re-expressing
something that I had expressed the previous day in a more clear and
somewhat comedic manner. It seemed that perhaps with his high energy level,
my normal tone the previous day had not registered because I hadn't
bothered to sound upset. So today I intentionally let him know that I was
upset. Now - the issue at hand is something I set myself up for: most
nights, especially when it is raining, I have made it a habit of leaving my
laptop in a basket under a table at the front. There's no pressing reason
to leave it there - my little abode is waterproof and lockable, but not
while I am asleep, and the unlikely scenario of someone opening the door
while I'm unconscious and managing to walk off with my irreplaceable gear
means I've felt safer leaving it semi-secured inside the building rather
than with me at night. Two days in a row, however, I found the basket with
my laptop bag sitting forlorn and alone in the middle of the floor in the
general 'donataions/hack-this' zone where I couldn't blame anyone if they
would have come before me and adopted it. I grumbled good naturedly at
Robert yesterday, just to point out the situation that resulted when the
table went away and suggested he should have taken the other table of the
pair -- or move the basket under the remaining table instead. Today, I
found the same scenario repeated and decided to actually show that I was
upset. If this apparently frightened or caused stress to Robert, I'm sorry
- that was neither my intention nor at all expected. I just chose to be a
little more theatrical and high energy in communicating with a boisterous
high energy individual who had disregarded my previous attempts at
communication. That he apparently mistook this as threatening is
unfortunate and unexpected - again, I was just trying to more match his
normal energy level and boisterousness since my more flat and
matter-of-fact communication previously had not worked. Again, sorry to all
for causing any unneeded chaos, and in the future I will avoid the problem
by simply keeping my laptop with me at night and therefore not having to
worry about it.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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you win*.
- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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11:36 a.m.
Also if people think I am being to dramatic when I state "bullying", here
is an excerpt from the Bullying page of Wikipedia
"Bullying can be defined in many different ways. The United Kingdom of
Great Britain and Northern Ireland
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> has no legal definition of
bullying,[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-6> while
some states in the United States
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> have laws against it.[7]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-7> Bullying is divided
into four basic types of abuse – emotional
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse> (sometimes called
relational), verbal <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse>, physical
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_abuse>, and cyber.[8]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-8> It typically involves
subtle methods of coercion, such as intimidation.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
HIs actions reflected emotional abuse and verbal abuse, used to try to
intimidate me.
I also think it is bullying because he thought I might be to scared or
(dominated over) to do something about it, either that or I am not entirely
sure if he is aware of his own actions.
I stand against bullying, stand up for people being bullied, and choose not
to be a victim of bullying.
I don't have any friends or associates in my life that are bullies, or
treat me in a disrespectful way. Which is why I really don't even feel
comfortable mediating this with him at the current time.
Thank you for reading
Rayc
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Robb, thank you for your volunteering to do so.
After reflecting off
of this for three days. I am still a bit shaken over the incident, and
don't think I even wish to mediate currently, my hands were truly shaking
for about two hours after his barrage of verbal assaults toward me. I don't
really even feel comfortable talking through a mediator with him as well at
the current time.
He tried bullying me to force me to feel sorry for him, for something in
which I clearly had done no wrong. He got pissed that I moved "his table",
because it had his laptop bag attached to it. "THERE IS NO PERSONAL STORAGE
AT SUDOROOM", if he didn't violate this, then this would not have
transpired."
Then I told him how I felt, not to talk to me and was insulted. (assertion
of dominance, again).
IMHO through his actions, he straight up bullied me and I defended myself
by contacting another Sudoroom member for support and advice on the matter
(who lucky enough was able to pick up during working business hours). I
felt like I was being whipped mentally everytime he would yell over me
yelling "F**K You" multiple times." And lying about owning a table.
I don't tolerate people like that and don't engage with them at all.
Currently in my life I am not friends, or even associated with anyone, who
acts in such ways at all.
THE SAFE SPACE POLICY WAS CLEARLY VIOLATED AS WELL!!!
Thank you Robb once again stepping up, and your support.
(even writing this is still eating at the back of my head)
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 12:38 PM, robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
if either party wishes for someone to help
mediate this matter, i am
available
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Steve Leach <stevenaleach(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
To the group as a whole, I apologizing for
causing Robert stress, I did
yell at him outside the Omni, though only with the intent of re-expressing
something that I had expressed the previous day in a more clear and
somewhat comedic manner. It seemed that perhaps with his high energy level,
my normal tone the previous day had not registered because I hadn't
bothered to sound upset. So today I intentionally let him know that I was
upset. Now - the issue at hand is something I set myself up for: most
nights, especially when it is raining, I have made it a habit of leaving my
laptop in a basket under a table at the front. There's no pressing reason
to leave it there - my little abode is waterproof and lockable, but not
while I am asleep, and the unlikely scenario of someone opening the door
while I'm unconscious and managing to walk off with my irreplaceable gear
means I've felt safer leaving it semi-secured inside the building rather
than with me at night. Two days in a row, however, I found the basket with
my laptop bag sitting forlorn and alone in the middle of the floor in the
general 'donataions/hack-this' zone where I couldn't blame anyone if they
would have come before me and adopted it. I grumbled good naturedly at
Robert yesterday, just to point out the situation that resulted when the
table went away and suggested he should have taken the other table of the
pair -- or move the basket under the remaining table instead. Today, I
found the same scenario repeated and decided to actually show that I was
upset. If this apparently frightened or caused stress to Robert, I'm sorry
- that was neither my intention nor at all expected. I just chose to be a
little more theatrical and high energy in communicating with a boisterous
high energy individual who had disregarded my previous attempts at
communication. That he apparently mistook this as threatening is
unfortunate and unexpected - again, I was just trying to more match his
normal energy level and boisterousness since my more flat and
matter-of-fact communication previously had not worked. Again, sorry to all
for causing any unneeded chaos, and in the future I will avoid the problem
by simply keeping my laptop with me at night and therefore not having to
worry about it.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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*First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then
you win*.
- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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2:53 p.m.
k
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Also if people think I am being to dramatic when I
state "bullying", here
is an excerpt from the Bullying page of Wikipedia
"Bullying can be defined in many different ways. The United Kingdom of
Great Britain and Northern Ireland
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> has no legal definition of
bullying,[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-6> while
some states in the United States
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> have laws against it.[7]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-7> Bullying is divided
into four basic types of abuse – emotional
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse> (sometimes called
relational), verbal <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse>, physical
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_abuse>, and cyber.[8]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-8> It typically
involves subtle methods of coercion, such as intimidation.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
HIs actions reflected emotional abuse and verbal abuse, used to try to
intimidate me.
I also think it is bullying because he thought I might be to scared or
(dominated over) to do something about it, either that or I am not entirely
sure if he is aware of his own actions.
I stand against bullying, stand up for people being bullied, and choose
not to be a victim of bullying.
I don't have any friends or associates in my life that are bullies, or
treat me in a disrespectful way. Which is why I really don't even feel
comfortable mediating this with him at the current time.
Thank you for reading
Rayc
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
--
*First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then
you win*.
- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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Hello Robb, thank you for your volunteering to do
so. After reflecting
off of this for three days. I am still a bit shaken over the incident, and
don't think I even wish to mediate currently, my hands were truly shaking
for about two hours after his barrage of verbal assaults toward me. I don't
really even feel comfortable talking through a mediator with him as well at
the current time.
He tried bullying me to force me to feel sorry for him, for something in
which I clearly had done no wrong. He got pissed that I moved "his table",
because it had his laptop bag attached to it. "THERE IS NO PERSONAL STORAGE
AT SUDOROOM", if he didn't violate this, then this would not have
transpired."
Then I told him how I felt, not to talk to me and was insulted.
(assertion of dominance, again).
IMHO through his actions, he straight up bullied me and I defended myself
by contacting another Sudoroom member for support and advice on the matter
(who lucky enough was able to pick up during working business hours). I
felt like I was being whipped mentally everytime he would yell over me
yelling "F**K You" multiple times." And lying about owning a table.
I don't tolerate people like that and don't engage with them at all.
Currently in my life I am not friends, or even associated with anyone, who
acts in such ways at all.
THE SAFE SPACE POLICY WAS CLEARLY VIOLATED AS WELL!!!
Thank you Robb once again stepping up, and your support.
(even writing this is still eating at the back of my head)
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 12:38 PM, robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
if either party wishes for someone to help
mediate this matter, i am
available
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Steve Leach <stevenaleach(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
To the group as a whole, I apologizing for
causing Robert stress, I did
yell at him outside the Omni, though only with the intent of re-expressing
something that I had expressed the previous day in a more clear and
somewhat comedic manner. It seemed that perhaps with his high energy level,
my normal tone the previous day had not registered because I hadn't
bothered to sound upset. So today I intentionally let him know that I was
upset. Now - the issue at hand is something I set myself up for: most
nights, especially when it is raining, I have made it a habit of leaving my
laptop in a basket under a table at the front. There's no pressing reason
to leave it there - my little abode is waterproof and lockable, but not
while I am asleep, and the unlikely scenario of someone opening the door
while I'm unconscious and managing to walk off with my irreplaceable gear
means I've felt safer leaving it semi-secured inside the building rather
than with me at night. Two days in a row, however, I found the basket with
my laptop bag sitting forlorn and alone in the middle of the floor in the
general 'donataions/hack-this' zone where I couldn't blame anyone if they
would have come before me and adopted it. I grumbled good naturedly at
Robert yesterday, just to point out the situation that resulted when the
table went away and suggested he should have taken the other table of the
pair -- or move the basket under the remaining table instead. Today, I
found the same scenario repeated and decided to actually show that I was
upset. If this apparently frightened or caused stress to Robert, I'm sorry
- that was neither my intention nor at all expected. I just chose to be a
little more theatrical and high energy in communicating with a boisterous
high energy individual who had disregarded my previous attempts at
communication. That he apparently mistook this as threatening is
unfortunate and unexpected - again, I was just trying to more match his
normal energy level and boisterousness since my more flat and
matter-of-fact communication previously had not worked. Again, sorry to all
for causing any unneeded chaos, and in the future I will avoid the problem
by simply keeping my laptop with me at night and therefore not having to
worry about it.
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15 Mar
15 Mar
11:31 a.m.
After taking some time to think about this after the meeting. I ONLY feel
comfortable with Steven in the space if the following criteria is met:
Instead of Banning Steven for a set amount of time, I feel the following
compromise is admirable, and if no progress is made from this, then he be
asked to leave the space:
1. Steven's key access be revoked for one month from the space, and only
granted access back, after the community and Steven, has come together to
review progress, and positive changes, in the problematic behavior patterns
that have been detrimental to the space. Only then if everyone is in
agreement, then card access will be granted again.
2. Steven is only allow into the space if he is chaperoned by a mentor /
voucher / member / liaison, who is present while he is in the space (a
person would also be a mediary between him and myself)
3. That there is active mediation happening (not rushed), through out the
month with myself, and also with others whom have been sick and disrupted
by his behavior, for whatever reason i.e.use of the space (specifically
using this space as his house, and being territorial about it, and leaving
messes). With coordination from the mediation-stewart and mediator.
The Member-Mentor-Voucher-Liaison would vouch for Steven, will partly be
held accountable for any negative conduct, and also be able to work with
him directly to catch small things that maybe problematic.
- Exhibits a reasonable lack of self control
- Rudeness (carrying on as if he owns Sudoroom, is an A-hole to anyone that
tries to give constructive, positive feedback, on usage or behavior of the
space).
- Violate the SAFE SPACE POLICY
- Be aggressive or hostile toward anybody (repetitious I know)
- Dissisruptive yelling and/or outbursts (I will even ask another person to
ask him to leave if he has disruptive outbursts (as two meetings were
disrupted because of them.
- Verbal aggression anybody (and anything beyond that)
- Not claiming a specific work area/space as his own (camping out/being
hostile, or territorial about others working there)
- Not making a mess, - Not storing person items (unless they are
projects-NO PERSONAL STORAGE)
- I feel a month would be a sufficient for him to develop healthier habits
for a more productive space overall.
We all come from different backgrounds, and some communication styles or
lack therefore of sometimes need updating, and addressing.
Problematic people do come to the Omnis (for whatever reason(s). As a
community it is up to us to be able to come together, put *some *community
investment together, to try to help/guide/coach/mentor that person to what
is acceptable (not net/negative), behaviour. And only then, only after
some community investment, has been put forth, we can clearly see if a
person will continue on as a disruption to the community, shall we ask that
person to definitely leave the space as (it would be net-negative).
The only shelter the Omni-commons is, is a shelter for the community to be
able to be a community. Not a place to shelter an individual's community
destructive behaviours. I think all of this as clearly as follows: If a
person's behaviors are having a tangible, net-negative impact on the
community (could be limited to one space), then they need to be addressed
(within reason). If that person does not have the capacity to change for
the overall health of the community, then that person must leave.
As stated in the beginning I would only feel comfortable with Steven in the
community ONLY he agreed to these requests, as I feel that a month of
additional guidance would help catalyst healthier behavior patterns, and
the community (including Steven) would coexist more seamlessly together.
The verbal assault altercation and clearly ignoring my requests all day to
not speak to me, is definitely an extreme, and in a lot of places he would
have been kicked out no questions asked!!! But I feel that he has the
ability to grow past this. As the victim of such abuse, I feel the typed
above would suffice, even though I am still uneasy about the situation.
As in the famous words of are neighboring hackerspace "Be excellent to each
other dudes." They just left out "And work on excellence toward each
other." (If there is a lack therefore of).
This is not to attack him, but to help coach new growth and ways, so that
all of what we are going through doesn't arise again. To me this is not a
community issue. It is a community including Steven issue.
Thanks for reading, and sorry if this is longer than a dissertation...
I will discuss with the Mediator and Mediatior. Stewart
H@kThEpLaNeT2G3thR
- RAYC
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:53 PM, robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
k
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Also if people think I am being to dramatic when
I state "bullying", here
is an excerpt from the Bullying page of Wikipedia
"Bullying can be defined in many different ways. The United Kingdom of
Great Britain and Northern Ireland
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> has no legal definition
of bullying,[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-6> while
some states in the United States
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> have laws against it.[7]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-7> Bullying is divided
into four basic types of abuse – emotional
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse> (sometimes called
relational), verbal <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse>,
physical <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_abuse>, and cyber.[8]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-8> It typically
involves subtle methods of coercion, such as intimidation.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
HIs actions reflected emotional abuse and verbal abuse, used to try to
intimidate me.
I also think it is bullying because he thought I might be to scared or
(dominated over) to do something about it, either that or I am not entirely
sure if he is aware of his own actions.
I stand against bullying, stand up for people being bullied, and choose
not to be a victim of bullying.
I don't have any friends or associates in my life that are bullies, or
treat me in a disrespectful way. Which is why I really don't even feel
comfortable mediating this with him at the current time.
Thank you for reading
Rayc
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
--
*First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then
you win*.
- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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Hello Robb, thank you for your volunteering to do
so. After reflecting
off of this for three days. I am still a bit shaken over the incident, and
don't think I even wish to mediate currently, my hands were truly shaking
for about two hours after his barrage of verbal assaults toward me. I don't
really even feel comfortable talking through a mediator with him as well at
the current time.
He tried bullying me to force me to feel sorry for him, for something in
which I clearly had done no wrong. He got pissed that I moved "his table",
because it had his laptop bag attached to it. "THERE IS NO PERSONAL STORAGE
AT SUDOROOM", if he didn't violate this, then this would not have
transpired."
Then I told him how I felt, not to talk to me and was insulted.
(assertion of dominance, again).
IMHO through his actions, he straight up bullied me and I defended
myself by contacting another Sudoroom member for support and advice on the
matter (who lucky enough was able to pick up during working business
hours). I felt like I was being whipped mentally everytime he would yell
over me yelling "F**K You" multiple times." And lying about owning a
table.
I don't tolerate people like that and don't engage with them at all.
Currently in my life I am not friends, or even associated with anyone, who
acts in such ways at all.
THE SAFE SPACE POLICY WAS CLEARLY VIOLATED AS WELL!!!
Thank you Robb once again stepping up, and your support.
(even writing this is still eating at the back of my head)
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 12:38 PM, robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
if either party wishes for someone to help
mediate this matter, i am
available
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Steve Leach <stevenaleach(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> To the group as a whole, I apologizing for causing Robert stress, I
> did yell at him outside the Omni, though only with the intent of
> re-expressing something that I had expressed the previous day in a more
> clear and somewhat comedic manner. It seemed that perhaps with his high
> energy level, my normal tone the previous day had not registered because I
> hadn't bothered to sound upset. So today I intentionally let him know that
> I was upset. Now - the issue at hand is something I set myself up for: most
> nights, especially when it is raining, I have made it a habit of leaving my
> laptop in a basket under a table at the front. There's no pressing reason
> to leave it there - my little abode is waterproof and lockable, but not
> while I am asleep, and the unlikely scenario of someone opening the door
> while I'm unconscious and managing to walk off with my irreplaceable gear
> means I've felt safer leaving it semi-secured inside the building rather
> than with me at night. Two days in a row, however, I found the basket with
> my laptop bag sitting forlorn and alone in the middle of the floor in the
> general 'donataions/hack-this' zone where I couldn't blame anyone if
they
> would have come before me and adopted it. I grumbled good naturedly at
> Robert yesterday, just to point out the situation that resulted when the
> table went away and suggested he should have taken the other table of the
> pair -- or move the basket under the remaining table instead. Today, I
> found the same scenario repeated and decided to actually show that I was
> upset. If this apparently frightened or caused stress to Robert, I'm sorry
> - that was neither my intention nor at all expected. I just chose to be a
> little more theatrical and high energy in communicating with a boisterous
> high energy individual who had disregarded my previous attempts at
> communication. That he apparently mistook this as threatening is
> unfortunate and unexpected - again, I was just trying to more match his
> normal energy level and boisterousness since my more flat and
> matter-of-fact communication previously had not worked. Again, sorry to all
> for causing any unneeded chaos, and in the future I will avoid the problem
> by simply keeping my laptop with me at night and therefore not having to
> worry about it.
>
> _______________________________________________
> sudo-discuss mailing list
> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>
>
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then you win*.
- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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3:24 p.m.
I was not satisfied with how this issue was treated at the meeting last night,
basically people started leaving and Melissa started yelling at Robert and I,
and while a conflict steward was selected (Dante) for Robert and Steve's
mediation, I didn't feel that people took seriously the issues that I brought
up which were actually separate from the specific attack against Robert.
I am asking for guidance on how to proceed with involving people at Sudoroom
(and Omni-wide) who have concerns with Steve's behavior and what we can do
about it, to make sure that he isn't excluding people from our space with his
unchecked behavior (as is happening now)
And I want to start a discussion/mediation that doesn't involve really angry
people screaming at each other across a meeting until everybody leaves. It's
not OK and i'm not willing to just move on and pretend everything is fine
because it's easier than dealing with the problem.
suggestions?
-jake
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018, Robert Chu wrote:
After taking some time to think about this after the
meeting. I ONLY feel
comfortable with Steven in the space if the following criteria is met:
Instead of Banning Steven for a set amount of time, I feel the following
compromise is admirable, and if no progress is made from this, then he be
asked to leave the space:
1. Steven's key access be revoked for one month from the space, and only
granted access back, after the community and Steven, has come together to
review progress, and positive changes, in the problematic behavior patterns
that have been detrimental to the space. Only then if everyone is in
agreement, then card access will be granted again.
2. Steven is only allow into the space if he is chaperoned by a mentor /
voucher / member / liaison, who is present while he is in the space (a
person would also be a mediary between him and myself)
3. That there is active mediation happening (not rushed), through out the
month with myself, and also with others whom have been sick and disrupted
by his behavior, for whatever reason i.e.use of the space (specifically
using this space as his house, and being territorial about it, and leaving
messes). With coordination from the mediation-stewart and mediator.
The Member-Mentor-Voucher-Liaison would vouch for Steven, will partly be
held accountable for any negative conduct, and also be able to work with
him directly to catch small things that maybe problematic.
- Exhibits a reasonable lack of self control
- Rudeness (carrying on as if he owns Sudoroom, is an A-hole to anyone that
tries to give constructive, positive feedback, on usage or behavior of the
space).
- Violate the SAFE SPACE POLICY
- Be aggressive or hostile toward anybody (repetitious I know)
- Dissisruptive yelling and/or outbursts (I will even ask another person to
ask him to leave if he has disruptive outbursts (as two meetings were
disrupted because of them.
- Verbal aggression anybody (and anything beyond that)
- Not claiming a specific work area/space as his own (camping out/being
hostile, or territorial about others working there)
- Not making a mess, - Not storing person items (unless they are
projects-NO PERSONAL STORAGE)
- I feel a month would be a sufficient for him to develop healthier habits
for a more productive space overall.
We all come from different backgrounds, and some communication styles or
lack therefore of sometimes need updating, and addressing.
Problematic people do come to the Omnis (for whatever reason(s). As a
community it is up to us to be able to come together, put *some *community
investment together, to try to help/guide/coach/mentor that person to what
is acceptable (not net/negative), behaviour. And only then, only after
some community investment, has been put forth, we can clearly see if a
person will continue on as a disruption to the community, shall we ask that
person to definitely leave the space as (it would be net-negative).
The only shelter the Omni-commons is, is a shelter for the community to be
able to be a community. Not a place to shelter an individual's community
destructive behaviours. I think all of this as clearly as follows: If a
person's behaviors are having a tangible, net-negative impact on the
community (could be limited to one space), then they need to be addressed
(within reason). If that person does not have the capacity to change for
the overall health of the community, then that person must leave.
As stated in the beginning I would only feel comfortable with Steven in the
community ONLY he agreed to these requests, as I feel that a month of
additional guidance would help catalyst healthier behavior patterns, and
the community (including Steven) would coexist more seamlessly together.
The verbal assault altercation and clearly ignoring my requests all day to
not speak to me, is definitely an extreme, and in a lot of places he would
have been kicked out no questions asked!!! But I feel that he has the
ability to grow past this. As the victim of such abuse, I feel the typed
above would suffice, even though I am still uneasy about the situation.
As in the famous words of are neighboring hackerspace "Be excellent to each
other dudes." They just left out "And work on excellence toward each
other." (If there is a lack therefore of).
This is not to attack him, but to help coach new growth and ways, so that
all of what we are going through doesn't arise again. To me this is not a
community issue. It is a community including Steven issue.
Thanks for reading, and sorry if this is longer than a dissertation...
I will discuss with the Mediator and Mediatior. Stewart
H@kThEpLaNeT2G3thR
- RAYC
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:53 PM, robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
k
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Also if people think I am being to dramatic when
I state "bullying", here
is an excerpt from the Bullying page of Wikipedia
"Bullying can be defined in many different ways. The United Kingdom of
Great Britain and Northern Ireland
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> has no legal definition
of bullying,[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-6> while
some states in the United States
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> have laws against it.[7]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-7> Bullying is divided
into four basic types of abuse – emotional
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse> (sometimes called
relational), verbal <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse>,
physical <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_abuse>, and cyber.[8]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-8> It typically
involves subtle methods of coercion, such as intimidation.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
HIs actions reflected emotional abuse and verbal abuse, used to try to
intimidate me.
I also think it is bullying because he thought I might be to scared or
(dominated over) to do something about it, either that or I am not entirely
sure if he is aware of his own actions.
I stand against bullying, stand up for people being bullied, and choose
not to be a victim of bullying.
I don't have any friends or associates in my life that are bullies, or
treat me in a disrespectful way. Which is why I really don't even feel
comfortable mediating this with him at the current time.
Thank you for reading
Rayc
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
--
*First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then
you win*.
- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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Hello Robb, thank you for your volunteering to do
so. After reflecting
off of this for three days. I am still a bit shaken over the incident, and
don't think I even wish to mediate currently, my hands were truly shaking
for about two hours after his barrage of verbal assaults toward me. I don't
really even feel comfortable talking through a mediator with him as well at
the current time.
He tried bullying me to force me to feel sorry for him, for something in
which I clearly had done no wrong. He got pissed that I moved "his table",
because it had his laptop bag attached to it. "THERE IS NO PERSONAL STORAGE
AT SUDOROOM", if he didn't violate this, then this would not have
transpired."
Then I told him how I felt, not to talk to me and was insulted.
(assertion of dominance, again).
IMHO through his actions, he straight up bullied me and I defended
myself by contacting another Sudoroom member for support and advice on the
matter (who lucky enough was able to pick up during working business
hours). I felt like I was being whipped mentally everytime he would yell
over me yelling "F**K You" multiple times." And lying about owning a
table.
I don't tolerate people like that and don't engage with them at all.
Currently in my life I am not friends, or even associated with anyone, who
acts in such ways at all.
THE SAFE SPACE POLICY WAS CLEARLY VIOLATED AS WELL!!!
Thank you Robb once again stepping up, and your support.
(even writing this is still eating at the back of my head)
Robert Albert Young Chu
"Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 12:38 PM, robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> if either party wishes for someone to help mediate this matter, i am
> available
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Steve Leach <stevenaleach(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To the group as a whole, I apologizing for causing Robert stress, I
>> did yell at him outside the Omni, though only with the intent of
>> re-expressing something that I had expressed the previous day in a more
>> clear and somewhat comedic manner. It seemed that perhaps with his high
>> energy level, my normal tone the previous day had not registered because I
>> hadn't bothered to sound upset. So today I intentionally let him know that
>> I was upset. Now - the issue at hand is something I set myself up for: most
>> nights, especially when it is raining, I have made it a habit of leaving my
>> laptop in a basket under a table at the front. There's no pressing reason
>> to leave it there - my little abode is waterproof and lockable, but not
>> while I am asleep, and the unlikely scenario of someone opening the door
>> while I'm unconscious and managing to walk off with my irreplaceable gear
>> means I've felt safer leaving it semi-secured inside the building rather
>> than with me at night. Two days in a row, however, I found the basket with
>> my laptop bag sitting forlorn and alone in the middle of the floor in the
>> general 'donataions/hack-this' zone where I couldn't blame anyone if
they
>> would have come before me and adopted it. I grumbled good naturedly at
>> Robert yesterday, just to point out the situation that resulted when the
>> table went away and suggested he should have taken the other table of the
>> pair -- or move the basket under the remaining table instead. Today, I
>> found the same scenario repeated and decided to actually show that I was
>> upset. If this apparently frightened or caused stress to Robert, I'm sorry
>> - that was neither my intention nor at all expected. I just chose to be a
>> little more theatrical and high energy in communicating with a boisterous
>> high energy individual who had disregarded my previous attempts at
>> communication. That he apparently mistook this as threatening is
>> unfortunate and unexpected - again, I was just trying to more match his
>> normal energy level and boisterousness since my more flat and
>> matter-of-fact communication previously had not worked. Again, sorry to all
>> for causing any unneeded chaos, and in the future I will avoid the problem
>> by simply keeping my laptop with me at night and therefore not having to
>> worry about it.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
> then you win*.
> - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>
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5:41 p.m.
i am taking Rayc's "That there is active mediation happening (not rushed),
through out the month with myself, and also with others" as his consent to
enter mediation.
the process for mediation is in sudoroom's articles of association [here]
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_3.2_Conflict_Resolution>
per subsection 3.2.1.2, i will await confirmation from the conflict steward
as to both or all parties' consent to me being the mediator.
<3
~r
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
I was not satisfied with how this issue was treated at
the meeting last
night,
basically people started leaving and Melissa started yelling at Robert and
I,
and while a conflict steward was selected (Dante) for Robert and Steve's
mediation, I didn't feel that people took seriously the issues that I
brought
up which were actually separate from the specific attack against Robert.
I am asking for guidance on how to proceed with involving people at
Sudoroom
(and Omni-wide) who have concerns with Steve's behavior and what we can do
about it, to make sure that he isn't excluding people from our space with
his
unchecked behavior (as is happening now)
And I want to start a discussion/mediation that doesn't involve really
angry
people screaming at each other across a meeting until everybody leaves.
It's
not OK and i'm not willing to just move on and pretend everything is fine
because it's easier than dealing with the problem.
suggestions?
-jake
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018, Robert Chu wrote:
After taking some time to think about this after the meeting. I ONLY feel
> comfortable with Steven in the space if the following criteria is met:
>
> Instead of Banning Steven for a set amount of time, I feel the following
> compromise is admirable, and if no progress is made from this, then he be
> asked to leave the space:
>
> 1. Steven's key access be revoked for one month from the space, and only
> granted access back, after the community and Steven, has come together to
> review progress, and positive changes, in the problematic behavior
> patterns
> that have been detrimental to the space. Only then if everyone is in
> agreement, then card access will be granted again.
>
> 2. Steven is only allow into the space if he is chaperoned by a mentor /
> voucher / member / liaison, who is present while he is in the space (a
> person would also be a mediary between him and myself)
>
> 3. That there is active mediation happening (not rushed), through out the
> month with myself, and also with others whom have been sick and disrupted
> by his behavior, for whatever reason i.e.use of the space (specifically
> using this space as his house, and being territorial about it, and leaving
> messes). With coordination from the mediation-stewart and mediator.
>
> The Member-Mentor-Voucher-Liaison would vouch for Steven, will partly be
> held accountable for any negative conduct, and also be able to work with
> him directly to catch small things that maybe problematic.
>
> - Exhibits a reasonable lack of self control
> - Rudeness (carrying on as if he owns Sudoroom, is an A-hole to anyone
> that
> tries to give constructive, positive feedback, on usage or behavior of the
> space).
> - Violate the SAFE SPACE POLICY
> - Be aggressive or hostile toward anybody (repetitious I know)
> - Dissisruptive yelling and/or outbursts (I will even ask another person
> to
> ask him to leave if he has disruptive outbursts (as two meetings were
> disrupted because of them.
> - Verbal aggression anybody (and anything beyond that)
> - Not claiming a specific work area/space as his own (camping out/being
> hostile, or territorial about others working there)
> - Not making a mess, - Not storing person items (unless they are
> projects-NO PERSONAL STORAGE)
>
> - I feel a month would be a sufficient for him to develop healthier habits
> for a more productive space overall.
>
> We all come from different backgrounds, and some communication styles or
> lack therefore of sometimes need updating, and addressing.
>
> Problematic people do come to the Omnis (for whatever reason(s). As a
> community it is up to us to be able to come together, put *some *community
>
> investment together, to try to help/guide/coach/mentor that person to what
> is acceptable (not net/negative), behaviour. And only then, only after
> some community investment, has been put forth, we can clearly see if a
> person will continue on as a disruption to the community, shall we ask
> that
> person to definitely leave the space as (it would be net-negative).
>
> The only shelter the Omni-commons is, is a shelter for the community to be
> able to be a community. Not a place to shelter an individual's community
> destructive behaviours. I think all of this as clearly as follows: If a
> person's behaviors are having a tangible, net-negative impact on the
> community (could be limited to one space), then they need to be addressed
> (within reason). If that person does not have the capacity to change for
> the overall health of the community, then that person must leave.
>
> As stated in the beginning I would only feel comfortable with Steven in
> the
> community ONLY he agreed to these requests, as I feel that a month of
> additional guidance would help catalyst healthier behavior patterns, and
> the community (including Steven) would coexist more seamlessly together.
>
> The verbal assault altercation and clearly ignoring my requests all day to
> not speak to me, is definitely an extreme, and in a lot of places he would
> have been kicked out no questions asked!!! But I feel that he has the
> ability to grow past this. As the victim of such abuse, I feel the typed
> above would suffice, even though I am still uneasy about the situation.
>
> As in the famous words of are neighboring hackerspace "Be excellent to
> each
> other dudes." They just left out "And work on excellence toward each
> other." (If there is a lack therefore of).
>
> This is not to attack him, but to help coach new growth and ways, so that
> all of what we are going through doesn't arise again. To me this is not a
> community issue. It is a community including Steven issue.
>
> Thanks for reading, and sorry if this is longer than a dissertation...
>
> I will discuss with the Mediator and Mediatior. Stewart
>
> H@kThEpLaNeT2G3thR
> - RAYC
>
>
>
>
> Robert Albert Young Chu
> "Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
> Call or Text :415-724-0425
> Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:53 PM, robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> k
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Also if people think I am being to dramatic when I state "bullying",
here
>>> is an excerpt from the Bullying page of Wikipedia
>>>
>>> "Bullying can be defined in many different ways. The United Kingdom of
>>> Great Britain and Northern Ireland
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> has no legal definition
>>> of bullying,[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-6>
>>> while
>>> some states in the United States
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> have laws against it.[7]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-7> Bullying is
>>> divided
>>> into four basic types of abuse – emotional
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse> (sometimes called
>>> relational), verbal <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse>,
>>> physical <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_abuse>, and cyber.[8]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-8> It typically
>>> involves subtle methods of coercion, such as intimidation.
>>> - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
>>>
>>> HIs actions reflected emotional abuse and verbal abuse, used to try to
>>> intimidate me.
>>>
>>> I also think it is bullying because he thought I might be to scared or
>>> (dominated over) to do something about it, either that or I am not
>>> entirely
>>> sure if he is aware of his own actions.
>>>
>>> I stand against bullying, stand up for people being bullied, and choose
>>> not to be a victim of bullying.
>>>
>>> I don't have any friends or associates in my life that are bullies, or
>>> treat me in a disrespectful way. Which is why I really don't even feel
>>> comfortable mediating this with him at the current time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for reading
>>> Rayc
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Albert Young Chu
>>> "Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
>>> Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
>>>
>>> Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Robb, thank you for your volunteering to do so. After reflecting
>>>> off of this for three days. I am still a bit shaken over the incident,
>>>> and
>>>> don't think I even wish to mediate currently, my hands were truly
>>>> shaking
>>>> for about two hours after his barrage of verbal assaults toward me. I
>>>> don't
>>>> really even feel comfortable talking through a mediator with him as
>>>> well at
>>>> the current time.
>>>>
>>>> He tried bullying me to force me to feel sorry for him, for something
>>>> in
>>>> which I clearly had done no wrong. He got pissed that I moved "his
>>>> table",
>>>> because it had his laptop bag attached to it. "THERE IS NO PERSONAL
>>>> STORAGE
>>>> AT SUDOROOM", if he didn't violate this, then this would not
have
>>>> transpired."
>>>>
>>>> Then I told him how I felt, not to talk to me and was insulted.
>>>> (assertion of dominance, again).
>>>>
>>>> IMHO through his actions, he straight up bullied me and I defended
>>>> myself by contacting another Sudoroom member for support and advice on
>>>> the
>>>> matter (who lucky enough was able to pick up during working business
>>>> hours). I felt like I was being whipped mentally everytime he would
>>>> yell
>>>> over me yelling "F**K You" multiple times." And lying
about owning a
>>>> table.
>>>>
>>>> I don't tolerate people like that and don't engage with them at
all.
>>>> Currently in my life I am not friends, or even associated with anyone,
>>>> who
>>>> acts in such ways at all.
>>>>
>>>> THE SAFE SPACE POLICY WAS CLEARLY VIOLATED AS WELL!!!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Robb once again stepping up, and your support.
>>>> (even writing this is still eating at the back of my head)
>>>>
>>>> Robert Albert Young Chu
>>>> "Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
>>>> Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
>>>>
>>>> Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 12:38 PM, robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> if either party wishes for someone to help mediate this matter, i am
>>>>> available
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Steve Leach
<stevenaleach(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> To the group as a whole, I apologizing for causing Robert stress, I
>>>>>> did yell at him outside the Omni, though only with the intent of
>>>>>> re-expressing something that I had expressed the previous day in
a
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> clear and somewhat comedic manner. It seemed that perhaps with
his
>>>>>> high
>>>>>> energy level, my normal tone the previous day had not registered
>>>>>> because I
>>>>>> hadn't bothered to sound upset. So today I intentionally let
him
>>>>>> know that
>>>>>> I was upset. Now - the issue at hand is something I set myself
up
>>>>>> for: most
>>>>>> nights, especially when it is raining, I have made it a habit of
>>>>>> leaving my
>>>>>> laptop in a basket under a table at the front. There's no
pressing
>>>>>> reason
>>>>>> to leave it there - my little abode is waterproof and lockable,
but
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> while I am asleep, and the unlikely scenario of someone opening
the
>>>>>> door
>>>>>> while I'm unconscious and managing to walk off with my
irreplaceable
>>>>>> gear
>>>>>> means I've felt safer leaving it semi-secured inside the
building
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> than with me at night. Two days in a row, however, I found the
>>>>>> basket with
>>>>>> my laptop bag sitting forlorn and alone in the middle of the
floor
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> general 'donataions/hack-this' zone where I couldn't
blame anyone if
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> would have come before me and adopted it. I grumbled good
naturedly
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> Robert yesterday, just to point out the situation that resulted
when
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> table went away and suggested he should have taken the other
table
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> pair -- or move the basket under the remaining table instead.
>>>>>> Today, I
>>>>>> found the same scenario repeated and decided to actually show
that I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> upset. If this apparently frightened or caused stress to Robert,
I'm
>>>>>> sorry
>>>>>> - that was neither my intention nor at all expected. I just chose
to
>>>>>> be a
>>>>>> little more theatrical and high energy in communicating with a
>>>>>> boisterous
>>>>>> high energy individual who had disregarded my previous attempts
at
>>>>>> communication. That he apparently mistook this as threatening is
>>>>>> unfortunate and unexpected - again, I was just trying to more
match
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> normal energy level and boisterousness since my more flat and
>>>>>> matter-of-fact communication previously had not worked. Again,
sorry
>>>>>> to all
>>>>>> for causing any unneeded chaos, and in the future I will avoid
the
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>> by simply keeping my laptop with me at night and therefore not
>>>>>> having to
>>>>>> worry about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
>>>>> then you win*.
>>>>> - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>>>>>
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>>>>> message
>>>>> has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the
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>>>>> is
>>>>> strictly prohibited.
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> *First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then
>> you win*.
>> - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>>
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5:50 p.m.
+1 Jake
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018, 5:42 PM robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
i am taking Rayc's "That there is active
mediation happening (not rushed),
through out the month with myself, and also with others" as his consent to
enter mediation.
the process for mediation is in sudoroom's articles of association [here]
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_3.2_Conflict_Resolution>
per subsection 3.2.1.2, i will await confirmation from the conflict
steward as to both or all parties' consent to me being the mediator.
<3
~r
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
I was not satisfied with how this issue was
treated at the meeting last
night,
basically people started leaving and Melissa started yelling at Robert
and I,
and while a conflict steward was selected (Dante) for Robert and Steve's
mediation, I didn't feel that people took seriously the issues that I
brought
up which were actually separate from the specific attack against Robert.
I am asking for guidance on how to proceed with involving people at
Sudoroom
(and Omni-wide) who have concerns with Steve's behavior and what we can do
about it, to make sure that he isn't excluding people from our space with
his
unchecked behavior (as is happening now)
And I want to start a discussion/mediation that doesn't involve really
angry
people screaming at each other across a meeting until everybody leaves.
It's
not OK and i'm not willing to just move on and pretend everything is fine
because it's easier than dealing with the problem.
suggestions?
-jake
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018, Robert Chu wrote:
After taking some time to think about this after the meeting. I ONLY feel
> comfortable with Steven in the space if the following criteria is met:
>
> Instead of Banning Steven for a set amount of time, I feel the following
> compromise is admirable, and if no progress is made from this, then he be
> asked to leave the space:
>
> 1. Steven's key access be revoked for one month from the space, and only
> granted access back, after the community and Steven, has come together to
> review progress, and positive changes, in the problematic behavior
> patterns
> that have been detrimental to the space. Only then if everyone is in
> agreement, then card access will be granted again.
>
> 2. Steven is only allow into the space if he is chaperoned by a mentor /
> voucher / member / liaison, who is present while he is in the space (a
> person would also be a mediary between him and myself)
>
> 3. That there is active mediation happening (not rushed), through out the
> month with myself, and also with others whom have been sick and disrupted
> by his behavior, for whatever reason i.e.use of the space (specifically
> using this space as his house, and being territorial about it, and
> leaving
> messes). With coordination from the mediation-stewart and mediator.
>
> The Member-Mentor-Voucher-Liaison would vouch for Steven, will partly be
> held accountable for any negative conduct, and also be able to work with
> him directly to catch small things that maybe problematic.
>
> - Exhibits a reasonable lack of self control
> - Rudeness (carrying on as if he owns Sudoroom, is an A-hole to anyone
> that
> tries to give constructive, positive feedback, on usage or behavior of
> the
> space).
> - Violate the SAFE SPACE POLICY
> - Be aggressive or hostile toward anybody (repetitious I know)
> - Dissisruptive yelling and/or outbursts (I will even ask another person
> to
> ask him to leave if he has disruptive outbursts (as two meetings were
> disrupted because of them.
> - Verbal aggression anybody (and anything beyond that)
> - Not claiming a specific work area/space as his own (camping out/being
> hostile, or territorial about others working there)
> - Not making a mess, - Not storing person items (unless they are
> projects-NO PERSONAL STORAGE)
>
> - I feel a month would be a sufficient for him to develop healthier
> habits
> for a more productive space overall.
>
> We all come from different backgrounds, and some communication styles or
> lack therefore of sometimes need updating, and addressing.
>
> Problematic people do come to the Omnis (for whatever reason(s). As a
> community it is up to us to be able to come together, put *some
> *community
>
> investment together, to try to help/guide/coach/mentor that person to
> what
> is acceptable (not net/negative), behaviour. And only then, only after
> some community investment, has been put forth, we can clearly see if a
> person will continue on as a disruption to the community, shall we ask
> that
> person to definitely leave the space as (it would be net-negative).
>
> The only shelter the Omni-commons is, is a shelter for the community to
> be
> able to be a community. Not a place to shelter an individual's community
> destructive behaviours. I think all of this as clearly as follows: If a
> person's behaviors are having a tangible, net-negative impact on the
> community (could be limited to one space), then they need to be addressed
> (within reason). If that person does not have the capacity to change for
> the overall health of the community, then that person must leave.
>
> As stated in the beginning I would only feel comfortable with Steven in
> the
> community ONLY he agreed to these requests, as I feel that a month of
> additional guidance would help catalyst healthier behavior patterns, and
> the community (including Steven) would coexist more seamlessly together.
>
> The verbal assault altercation and clearly ignoring my requests all day
> to
> not speak to me, is definitely an extreme, and in a lot of places he
> would
> have been kicked out no questions asked!!! But I feel that he has the
> ability to grow past this. As the victim of such abuse, I feel the typed
> above would suffice, even though I am still uneasy about the situation.
>
> As in the famous words of are neighboring hackerspace "Be excellent to
> each
> other dudes." They just left out "And work on excellence toward each
> other." (If there is a lack therefore of).
>
> This is not to attack him, but to help coach new growth and ways, so that
> all of what we are going through doesn't arise again. To me this is not a
> community issue. It is a community including Steven issue.
>
> Thanks for reading, and sorry if this is longer than a dissertation...
>
> I will discuss with the Mediator and Mediatior. Stewart
>
> H@kThEpLaNeT2G3thR
> - RAYC
>
>
>
>
> Robert Albert Young Chu
> "Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
> Call or Text :415-724-0425
> Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:53 PM, robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> k
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Also if people think I am being to dramatic when I state "bullying",
>>> here
>>> is an excerpt from the Bullying page of Wikipedia
>>>
>>> "Bullying can be defined in many different ways. The United Kingdom of
>>> Great Britain and Northern Ireland
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> has no legal definition
>>> of bullying,[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-6>
>>> while
>>> some states in the United States
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> have laws against it.[7]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-7> Bullying is
>>> divided
>>> into four basic types of abuse – emotional
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse> (sometimes called
>>> relational), verbal <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse>,
>>> physical <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_abuse>, and cyber.[8]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-8> It typically
>>> involves subtle methods of coercion, such as intimidation.
>>> - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
>>>
>>> HIs actions reflected emotional abuse and verbal abuse, used to try to
>>> intimidate me.
>>>
>>> I also think it is bullying because he thought I might be to scared or
>>> (dominated over) to do something about it, either that or I am not
>>> entirely
>>> sure if he is aware of his own actions.
>>>
>>> I stand against bullying, stand up for people being bullied, and choose
>>> not to be a victim of bullying.
>>>
>>> I don't have any friends or associates in my life that are bullies, or
>>> treat me in a disrespectful way. Which is why I really don't even feel
>>> comfortable mediating this with him at the current time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for reading
>>> Rayc
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Albert Young Chu
>>> "Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
>>> Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
>>>
>>> Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Robert Chu <robert.chu01(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Robb, thank you for your volunteering to do so. After reflecting
>>>> off of this for three days. I am still a bit shaken over the
>>>> incident, and
>>>> don't think I even wish to mediate currently, my hands were truly
>>>> shaking
>>>> for about two hours after his barrage of verbal assaults toward me. I
>>>> don't
>>>> really even feel comfortable talking through a mediator with him as
>>>> well at
>>>> the current time.
>>>>
>>>> He tried bullying me to force me to feel sorry for him, for something
>>>> in
>>>> which I clearly had done no wrong. He got pissed that I moved "his
>>>> table",
>>>> because it had his laptop bag attached to it. "THERE IS NO PERSONAL
>>>> STORAGE
>>>> AT SUDOROOM", if he didn't violate this, then this would not
have
>>>> transpired."
>>>>
>>>> Then I told him how I felt, not to talk to me and was insulted.
>>>> (assertion of dominance, again).
>>>>
>>>> IMHO through his actions, he straight up bullied me and I defended
>>>> myself by contacting another Sudoroom member for support and advice
>>>> on the
>>>> matter (who lucky enough was able to pick up during working business
>>>> hours). I felt like I was being whipped mentally everytime he would
>>>> yell
>>>> over me yelling "F**K You" multiple times." And lying
about owning a
>>>> table.
>>>>
>>>> I don't tolerate people like that and don't engage with them at
all.
>>>> Currently in my life I am not friends, or even associated with
>>>> anyone, who
>>>> acts in such ways at all.
>>>>
>>>> THE SAFE SPACE POLICY WAS CLEARLY VIOLATED AS WELL!!!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Robb once again stepping up, and your support.
>>>> (even writing this is still eating at the back of my head)
>>>>
>>>> Robert Albert Young Chu
>>>> "Radiant Ambition Yields Change."
>>>> Call or Text :415-724-0425 <(415)%20724-0425>
>>>>
>>>> Email: robert.chu01(a)gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 12:38 PM, robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> if either party wishes for someone to help mediate this matter, i am
>>>>> available
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Steve Leach
<stevenaleach(a)gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> To the group as a whole, I apologizing for causing Robert stress, I
>>>>>> did yell at him outside the Omni, though only with the intent of
>>>>>> re-expressing something that I had expressed the previous day in
a
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> clear and somewhat comedic manner. It seemed that perhaps with
his
>>>>>> high
>>>>>> energy level, my normal tone the previous day had not registered
>>>>>> because I
>>>>>> hadn't bothered to sound upset. So today I intentionally let
him
>>>>>> know that
>>>>>> I was upset. Now - the issue at hand is something I set myself
up
>>>>>> for: most
>>>>>> nights, especially when it is raining, I have made it a habit of
>>>>>> leaving my
>>>>>> laptop in a basket under a table at the front. There's no
pressing
>>>>>> reason
>>>>>> to leave it there - my little abode is waterproof and lockable,
but
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> while I am asleep, and the unlikely scenario of someone opening
the
>>>>>> door
>>>>>> while I'm unconscious and managing to walk off with my
>>>>>> irreplaceable gear
>>>>>> means I've felt safer leaving it semi-secured inside the
building
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> than with me at night. Two days in a row, however, I found the
>>>>>> basket with
>>>>>> my laptop bag sitting forlorn and alone in the middle of the
floor
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> general 'donataions/hack-this' zone where I couldn't
blame anyone
>>>>>> if they
>>>>>> would have come before me and adopted it. I grumbled good
naturedly
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> Robert yesterday, just to point out the situation that resulted
>>>>>> when the
>>>>>> table went away and suggested he should have taken the other
table
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> pair -- or move the basket under the remaining table instead.
>>>>>> Today, I
>>>>>> found the same scenario repeated and decided to actually show
that
>>>>>> I was
>>>>>> upset. If this apparently frightened or caused stress to Robert,
>>>>>> I'm sorry
>>>>>> - that was neither my intention nor at all expected. I just
chose
>>>>>> to be a
>>>>>> little more theatrical and high energy in communicating with a
>>>>>> boisterous
>>>>>> high energy individual who had disregarded my previous attempts
at
>>>>>> communication. That he apparently mistook this as threatening is
>>>>>> unfortunate and unexpected - again, I was just trying to more
match
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> normal energy level and boisterousness since my more flat and
>>>>>> matter-of-fact communication previously had not worked. Again,
>>>>>> sorry to all
>>>>>> for causing any unneeded chaos, and in the future I will avoid
the
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>> by simply keeping my laptop with me at night and therefore not
>>>>>> having to
>>>>>> worry about it.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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