Haha! Ironically, it's our number one recruitment/communication tool. But http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/ if you prefer. On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01(a)att.net> wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Paradoxical, at best. See, "Isn't It Ironic, Fixed" at http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio Reminder - this is a publicly archived list, and in this case containing an announcement for an open strategy meeting, set in a place open to the public with known surveillance camera live streaming. Given what we now know about the NSA, nearly all communication tools we now use straddle this paradox. Those tools without an illusion of privacy, such as Facebook Events, are in fact more straightforward regarding expectations of privacy, IMHO. sent from eddan.com On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Louis Huang <louis.huang(a)aegia.nu> wrote: While I do find the irony, lets cut them some slack. It's just another tool for communication after all. Fyi, ACLU and the EFF are giving a lecture at the public school on Oct. 2nd, i do believe. - Louie On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Alice Townes <acetownes(a)gmail.com> wrote: Haha! Ironically, it's our number one recruitment/communication tool. But http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/ if you prefer. On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01(a)att.net>wrote;wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Hiding out in the open is an old, and often preferred, strategy. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: -- Tony Barreca LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybarreca Skype: tonybarreca Twitter: tbarreca Mobile: (510) 710-5864 _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

well said andrew, but, i think i'm with GtwoG PublicOhOne on this one. Dis-inter-facebook-mediation i understand that many find FB useful as a tool, and agree that organization in the face of the Panopticon, like living well, is a most excellent way to tell it to get fucked. where i begin to object is to that organization happening primarily in that virtual environment, instead of a point being made to make the organizational center one that makes no assumptions of membership prerequisite to use, to full functionality. my objection to FB isn't (just) because of the ubiquitous and now (at last!) publicly acknowledged surveillance state. not even primarily. it *is*, for me, an intuitive understanding of the unexamined and unrestrained use of such traitorous corporate bullshit. of the self loathing that is the easy consequence. of the alienation, the feelings of worthlessness and despair, the subliminal reinforcement of which is structurally built in, taken for granted, assumed, by anyone wanting to make use of this so called "tool." what does it say to fully embrace a tool that so denigrates, disregards, and openly mocks those qualities of human communication, of the human spirit, that it cannot effectively monetize, influence, and/or control? FB interposes its sickness with the unwavering and obvious purpose of an opt-in, always-on, depthless and fickle intermediation as useless as a form of true creative expression as it is a source of real nourishment. the medium is the message. i believe the ceo of fb called the very end users upon whose aggregate data he built his empire "dumb fucks." i realize i am ranting. i feel, however, that rants such as this are needed. every individual and unique soul's version of such a rant, displayed prominently wherever and whenever faces are booked, would be the beginning of a much needed healing. a counterweight. so we can open the windows. so we can communicate freely. so we can begin to refuse to be sold without our fully informed, self respecting consent. **ahem* * *thanks everyone who read that for your attention and consideration......... midwives, all of you, that just helped bring another blog **post*<http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2013/09/dis-inter-face-medi-book-ation.html> * into the world.* On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew &lt;andrew(a)roshambomedia.com&gt; wrote: communication is powerful. If everyone is too afraid to communicate in the open, it's trivial to confuse, divide, and conquer. Think for your self and use your tools wisely. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Tony Barreca &lt;tony.barreca(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hiding out in the open is an old, and often preferred, strategy. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan Katz &lt;eddan(a)clear.net&gt; wrote: Paradoxical, at best. See, "Isn't It Ironic, Fixed" at http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio Reminder - this is a publicly archived list, and in this case containing an announcement for an open strategy meeting, set in a place open to the public with known surveillance camera live streaming. Given what we now know about the NSA, nearly all communication tools we now use straddle this paradox. Those tools without an illusion of privacy, such as Facebook Events, are in fact more straightforward regarding expectations of privacy, IMHO. sent from eddan.com On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Louis Huang &lt;louis.huang(a)aegia.nu&gt; wrote: While I do find the irony, lets cut them some slack. It's just another tool for communication after all. Fyi, ACLU and the EFF are giving a lecture at the public school on Oct. 2nd, i do believe. - Louie On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Alice Townes &lt;acetownes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Haha! Ironically, it's our number one recruitment/communication tool. But http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/ if you prefer. On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne &lt;g2g-public01(a)att.net&gt; wrote: A meeting for *privacy and 4th-A activists*, where the link is on FACEBOOK....? My irony meter just pegged. That was a joke, right? ===== On 13-09-25-Wed 2:47 PM, Alice Townes wrote: Hello Sudo Room subscribers, I'm writing to you to make sure you know about a meeting this Saturday for privacy/Fourth Amendment activists. We're planning a lot of new things as well as recruiting for current things during the meeting, and you should come if you are interested. https://www.facebook.com/events/394998687290066/ Thanks! Alice _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- Tony Barreca LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybarreca Skype: tonybarreca Twitter: tbarreca Mobile: (510) 710-5864 _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 http://roshambomedia.com _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- *Be seeing you.* On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew &lt;andrew(a)roshambomedia.com&gt; wrote: -- *Be seeing you.*

acetownes: please do. here's the link: DIS-INTER-Face-Book-MEDI-A-TION <http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2013/09/dis-inter-face-medi-book-ation.html> Andrew: i get that, i do. keep wishing forf some sort of interface, though, so that the people who are not on it are easily included. fully functional for both, comments and all, but integrateable with fb so that the fb people don't balk. which they do, it seems, when they have to leave fb. why is that? can't they just open a new tab? i wonder if the rest of the ineternet is more welcoming now that everyone knows everyone is being tracked, rather than just knowing fb does it,,,, On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Andrew &lt;andrew(a)roshambomedia.com <mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com>> wrote: Problem is, people use facebook. People who you might want to reach out to. If you don't use facebook to get your message across you can really only hope to preach to the choir. Tools are meant to be used, It's true that now a days the tools find ways of using us, but we need to find ways of understanding and mitigating /that/ instead of just not using them at all. On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 1:06 PM, johanna faust &lt;female.faust(a)gmail.com <mailto:female.faust@gmail.com>> wrote: well said andrew, but, i think i'm with GtwoG PublicOhOne on this one. Dis-inter-facebook-mediation i understand that many find FB useful as a tool, and agree that organization in the face of the Panopticon, like living well, is a most excellent way to tell it to get fucked. where i begin to object is to that organization happening primarily in that virtual environment, instead of a point being made to make the organizational center one that makes no assumptions of membership prerequisite to use, to full functionality. my objection to FB isn't (just) because of the ubiquitous and now (at last!) publicly acknowledged surveillance state. not even primarily. it /is/, for me, an intuitive understanding of the unexamined and unrestrained use of such traitorous corporate bullshit. of the self loathing that is the easy consequence. of the alienation, the feelings of worthlessness and despair, the subliminal reinforcement of which is structurally built in, taken for granted, assumed, by anyone wanting to make use of this so called "tool." what does it say to fully embrace a tool that so denigrates, disregards, and openly mocks those qualities of human communication, of the human spirit, that it cannot effectively monetize, influence, and/or control? FB interposes its sickness with the unwavering and obvious purpose of an opt-in, always-on, depthless and fickle intermediation as useless as a form of true creative expression as it is a source of real nourishment. the medium is the message. i believe the ceo of fb called the very end users upon whose aggregate data he built his empire "dumb fucks." i realize i am ranting. i feel, however, that rants such as this are needed. every individual and unique soul's version of such a rant, displayed prominently wherever and whenever faces are booked, would be the beginning of a much needed healing. a counterweight. so we can open the windows. so we can communicate freely. so we can begin to refuse to be sold without our fully informed, self respecting consent. /*ahem* / /thanks everyone who read that for your attention and consideration......... midwives, all of you, that just helped bring another blog //post/ <http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2013/09/dis-inter-face-medi-book-ation.html>/into the world./ On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew &lt;andrew(a)roshambomedia.com <mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com>> wrote: communication is powerful. If everyone is too afraid to communicate in the open, it's trivial to confuse, divide, and conquer. Think for your self and use your tools wisely. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Tony Barreca &lt;tony.barreca(a)gmail.com <mailto:tony.barreca@gmail.com>> wrote: Hiding out in the open is an old, and often preferred, strategy. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan Katz &lt;eddan(a)clear.net <mailto:eddan@clear.net>> wrote: Paradoxical, at best. See, "Isn't It Ironic, Fixed" at http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio Reminder - this is a publicly archived list, and in this case containing an announcement for an open strategy meeting, set in a place open to the public with known surveillance camera live streaming. Given what we now know about the NSA, nearly all communication tools we now use straddle this paradox. Those tools without an illusion of privacy, such as Facebook Events, are in fact more straightforward regarding expectations of privacy, IMHO. sent from eddan.com <http://eddan.com/> On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Louis Huang &lt;louis.huang(a)aegia.nu <mailto:louis.huang@aegia.nu>> wrote: While I do find the irony, lets cut them some slack. It's just another tool for communication after all. Fyi, ACLU and the EFF are giving a lecture at the public school on Oct. 2nd, i do believe. - Louie On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Alice Townes &lt;acetownes(a)gmail.com <mailto:acetownes@gmail.com>> wrote: Haha! Ironically, it's our number one recruitment/communication tool. But http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/ if you prefer. On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne &lt;g2g-public01(a)att.net <mailto:g2g-public01@att.net>> wrote: A meeting for *privacy and 4th-A activists*, where the link is on FACEBOOK....? My irony meter just pegged. That was a joke, right? ===== On 13-09-25-Wed 2:47 PM, Alice Townes wrote: Hello Sudo Room subscribers, I'm writing to you to make sure you know about a meeting this Saturday for privacy/Fourth Amendment activists. We're planning a lot of new things as well as recruiting for current things during the meeting, and you should come if you are interested. https://www.facebook.com/events/394998687290066/ Thanks! Alice _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- Tony Barreca LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybarreca Skype: tonybarreca Twitter: tbarreca Mobile: (510) 710-5864 <tel:%28510%29%20710-5864> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> http://roshambomedia.com <http://roshambomedia.com/> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- */Be seeing you./* On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew &lt;andrew(a)roshambomedia.com <mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com>> wrote: communication is powerful. If everyone is too afraid to communicate in the open, it's trivial to confuse, divide, and conquer. Think for your self and use your tools wisely. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Tony Barreca &lt;tony.barreca(a)gmail.com <mailto:tony.barreca@gmail.com>> wrote: Hiding out in the open is an old, and often preferred, strategy. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan Katz &lt;eddan(a)clear.net <mailto:eddan@clear.net>> wrote: Paradoxical, at best. See, "Isn't It Ironic, Fixed" at http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio Reminder - this is a publicly archived list, and in this case containing an announcement for an open strategy meeting, set in a place open to the public with known surveillance camera live streaming. Given what we now know about the NSA, nearly all communication tools we now use straddle this paradox. Those tools without an illusion of privacy, such as Facebook Events, are in fact more straightforward regarding expectations of privacy, IMHO. sent from eddan.com <http://eddan.com> On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Louis Huang &lt;louis.huang(a)aegia.nu <mailto:louis.huang@aegia.nu>> wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- Tony Barreca LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybarreca Skype: tonybarreca Twitter: tbarreca Mobile: (510) 710-5864 <tel:%28510%29%20710-5864> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> http://roshambomedia.com _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss -- */Be seeing you./* -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 <tel:831-332-2507> http://roshambomedia.com -- */Be seeing you./* _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss