15 Oct
2014
15 Oct
'14
2:09 p.m.
It's sort of unclear in the proposal, but from what I understand
Backspace is only asking to lock ONE room for dedicated space - the
"eyeball room" upstairs with the large circular window. The "bunker
room" under the staircase would only be locked when in active use, and
the "den" upstairs would always be unlocked and schedulable, with
Backspace getting scheduling priority. Do I understand that right?
Also, people are calling that bunker room "ADA accessible", but sadly
it is not. Yes, there are no extra steps from the wheelchair lift, but
the doors are narrow and there is hardly any turning radius.
15 Oct
15 Oct
3:13 p.m.
New subject: [omni-consensus] Fwd: Backspace Space proposal
Hi Yar,
re: your first paragraph - Yes, that is all a correct reading. My apologies
if it was at all unclear.
re: your second paragraph - We were not aware that that room is not
currently considered accessible. Perhaps it's possible to widen the
doorway? Who is a point person (aside from Keenan) who knows more about
this? Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
I'm adding Backspace to the conversation.
Cheers,
Sara
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 2:09 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It's sort of unclear in the proposal, but from
what I understand
Backspace is only asking to lock ONE room for dedicated space - the
"eyeball room" upstairs with the large circular window. The "bunker
room" under the staircase would only be locked when in active use, and
the "den" upstairs would always be unlocked and schedulable, with
Backspace getting scheduling priority. Do I understand that right?
Also, people are calling that bunker room "ADA accessible", but sadly
it is not. Yes, there are no extra steps from the wheelchair lift, but
the doors are narrow and there is hardly any turning radius.
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3:33 p.m.
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thanks for sharing this. is the request of $1000/mo for the requested space
approximately on par with the $/sqft that other spaces are paying?
also, is there a place where i can see who is in what space now?
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Sara Larsen <saralarsenyoga(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Yar,
re: your first paragraph - Yes, that is all a correct reading. My
apologies if it was at all unclear.
re: your second paragraph - We were not aware that that room is not
currently considered accessible. Perhaps it's possible to widen the
doorway? Who is a point person (aside from Keenan) who knows more about
this? Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
I'm adding Backspace to the conversation.
Cheers,
Sara
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 2:09 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It's sort of unclear in the proposal, but
from what I understand
Backspace is only asking to lock ONE room for dedicated space - the
"eyeball room" upstairs with the large circular window. The "bunker
room" under the staircase would only be locked when in active use, and
the "den" upstairs would always be unlocked and schedulable, with
Backspace getting scheduling priority. Do I understand that right?
Also, people are calling that bunker room "ADA accessible", but sadly
it is not. Yes, there are no extra steps from the wheelchair lift, but
the doors are narrow and there is hardly any turning radius.
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Let us eat together,
Let us be vital together,
Let us be radiating truth,
radiating the light of life,
Never shall we denounce anyone,
never entertain negativity. --
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3:39 p.m.
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Marina,
The OOC does not have a $/sqft measure. None of our collectives pay rent by
sqft, rather they pay by what they've committed. This allows the OOC to be
able to provide space to groups who have less money and thus are less
privileged in the current rent economy.
with love
stephen
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
thanks for sharing this. is the request of $1000/mo
for the requested
space approximately on par with the $/sqft that other spaces are paying?
also, is there a place where i can see who is in what space now?
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Sara Larsen <saralarsenyoga(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Yar,
re: your first paragraph - Yes, that is all a correct reading. My
apologies if it was at all unclear.
re: your second paragraph - We were not aware that that room is not
currently considered accessible. Perhaps it's possible to widen the
doorway? Who is a point person (aside from Keenan) who knows more about
this? Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
I'm adding Backspace to the conversation.
Cheers,
Sara
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 2:09 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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It's sort of unclear in the proposal, but
from what I understand
Backspace is only asking to lock ONE room for dedicated space - the
"eyeball room" upstairs with the large circular window. The "bunker
room" under the staircase would only be locked when in active use, and
the "den" upstairs would always be unlocked and schedulable, with
Backspace getting scheduling priority. Do I understand that right?
Also, people are calling that bunker room "ADA accessible", but sadly
it is not. Yes, there are no extra steps from the wheelchair lift, but
the doors are narrow and there is hardly any turning radius.
_______________________________________________
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Let us be together,
Let us eat together,
Let us be vital together,
Let us be radiating truth,
radiating the light of life,
Never shall we denounce anyone,
never entertain negativity. --
The Upanishads
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3:41 p.m.
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The division of space at the Omni was never based on dollars per sq. ft.
We discussed in very great length over many, many months how this model
does not take into account the various other contributions that collectives
bring to this project. For instance, there is *so much* work that needs to
be done and just paying rent alone is, to my mind, much less valuable than
a group that pays less but shares their space and resources with others,
participates in organizing, outreach and general day to day boring admin
and maintenance. The Public School has *no* locked or dedicated space at
the moment.
The model has always been "What do you *need* and what can you contribute
to the project?"
There are a few new projects who are still awaiting confirmation re: where
they will live in the building (most pressingly, Rise Above) so we don't
have a final - final map.
Ideally - no one would have exclusive use of any one space - all of the
space would be porous and usable by multiple different groups!
Radical commoning!!!
xoxo
N
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
thanks for sharing this. is the request of $1000/mo
for the requested
space approximately on par with the $/sqft that other spaces are paying?
also, is there a place where i can see who is in what space now?
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Sara Larsen <saralarsenyoga(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Yar,
re: your first paragraph - Yes, that is all a correct reading. My
apologies if it was at all unclear.
re: your second paragraph - We were not aware that that room is not
currently considered accessible. Perhaps it's possible to widen the
doorway? Who is a point person (aside from Keenan) who knows more about
this? Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
I'm adding Backspace to the conversation.
Cheers,
Sara
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 2:09 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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It's sort of unclear in the proposal, but
from what I understand
Backspace is only asking to lock ONE room for dedicated space - the
"eyeball room" upstairs with the large circular window. The "bunker
room" under the staircase would only be locked when in active use, and
the "den" upstairs would always be unlocked and schedulable, with
Backspace getting scheduling priority. Do I understand that right?
Also, people are calling that bunker room "ADA accessible", but sadly
it is not. Yes, there are no extra steps from the wheelchair lift, but
the doors are narrow and there is hardly any turning radius.
_______________________________________________
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--
Let us be together,
Let us eat together,
Let us be vital together,
Let us be radiating truth,
radiating the light of life,
Never shall we denounce anyone,
never entertain negativity. --
The Upanishads
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3:47 p.m.
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hi all,
thanks for clarifying. i was aware that omni doesn't have exact $/sqft
numbers - that's why i asked "approximately." if there's no
"approximately"
because of large variation, i totally understand and there's no need for
folks to reply to me further (i'll take the silence to mean "there is too
large a variation").
- marina
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:41 PM, niki <niki.shelley(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The division of space at the Omni was never based on
dollars per sq. ft.
We discussed in very great length over many, many months how this model
does not take into account the various other contributions that collectives
bring to this project. For instance, there is *so much* work that needs to
be done and just paying rent alone is, to my mind, much less valuable than
a group that pays less but shares their space and resources with others,
participates in organizing, outreach and general day to day boring admin
and maintenance. The Public School has *no* locked or dedicated space at
the moment.
The model has always been "What do you *need* and what can you contribute
to the project?"
There are a few new projects who are still awaiting confirmation re: where
they will live in the building (most pressingly, Rise Above) so we don't
have a final - final map.
Ideally - no one would have exclusive use of any one space - all of the
space would be porous and usable by multiple different groups!
Radical commoning!!!
xoxo
N
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
thanks for sharing this. is the request of
$1000/mo for the requested
space approximately on par with the $/sqft that other spaces are paying?
also, is there a place where i can see who is in what space now?
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Sara Larsen <saralarsenyoga(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Yar,
re: your first paragraph - Yes, that is all a correct reading. My
apologies if it was at all unclear.
re: your second paragraph - We were not aware that that room is not
currently considered accessible. Perhaps it's possible to widen the
doorway? Who is a point person (aside from Keenan) who knows more about
this? Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
I'm adding Backspace to the conversation.
Cheers,
Sara
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 2:09 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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It's sort of unclear in the proposal, but
from what I understand
Backspace is only asking to lock ONE room for dedicated space - the
"eyeball room" upstairs with the large circular window. The "bunker
room" under the staircase would only be locked when in active use, and
the "den" upstairs would always be unlocked and schedulable, with
Backspace getting scheduling priority. Do I understand that right?
Also, people are calling that bunker room "ADA accessible", but sadly
it is not. Yes, there are no extra steps from the wheelchair lift, but
the doors are narrow and there is hardly any turning radius.
_______________________________________________
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--
Let us be together,
Let us eat together,
Let us be vital together,
Let us be radiating truth,
radiating the light of life,
Never shall we denounce anyone,
never entertain negativity. --
The Upanishads
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3:36 p.m.
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Sara Larsen <saralarsenyoga(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
re: your second paragraph - We were not aware that
that room is not
currently considered accessible. Perhaps it's possible to widen the
doorway? Who is a point person (aside from Keenan) who knows more about
this? Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
This is a good place to start:
http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/2010ADAStandards/2010ADAstandards.htm
Is Backspace interested in sole use of that room, or open to the current
proposal of it being a dedicated Kids Room as well?
3:59 p.m.
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Sara Larsen
<saralarsenyoga(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
TL;DR: you need a 32" door opening (measured with the door at 90 degrees),
a 60" turning radius inside the room (or a 60" wide T-shaped space
<http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/2010ADAStandards/images/ADA-AB6.gif>, which
usually amounts to about the same), and there would need to be sufficient
space to approach the door from the outside (see this figure
<http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/2010ADAStandards/images/ADA-AB24.gif>).
Patrik
re: your second paragraph - We were not aware
that that room is not
currently considered accessible. Perhaps it's possible to widen the
doorway? Who is a point person (aside from Keenan) who knows more about
this? Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
This is a good place to start:
http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/2010ADAStandards/2010ADAstandards.htm
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