Jitsi's pretty easy and seems to work well. Basically, just point a browser at *https://meet.jit.si/ <https://meet.jit.si/>**sudoroom* or any other random room name. Chromium/Google-Chrome is reputed <https://community.jitsi.org/t/jitsi-meet-google-chrome-vs-firefox/17093/12> to work better than Firefox, but I've used both. And if you don't have sufficient bandwidth or a webcam/mic you can just call in to a room number to get the audio, even with a dumb fon. If you have a smarty phone you should probably consider downloading the jitsi app <https://jitsi.org/downloads/> from Google Play, F-Droid or the cApple App Store. We've been using jitsi for the Oscar Grant Committee for the last couple of months. And bizarrely I'm actually one of the younger, more teck-savvy OGC types and was able to coach all of the others what to do. For the most part there were no problems, but one person had to phone in because I couldn't coach her through installing the app (or any app) on her iPhone and another had to call in because he couldn't figure out how to connect his iPhone to his wireless router. I'm not quite sure folks are dropping a thou on a fancy phone when they are so technologically challenged that they might as well have a flip-phone. I don't think we necessarily need to use Robb's Jitsi server (unless we want to encrypt our conversation?), but this is where it is: meet.liberatedlens.org But I'm not sure it's ready to use, when I tried to access it I got: Your connection is not private Attackers might be trying to steal your information from *meet.liberatedlens.org <http://meet.liberatedlens.org>* (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). Learn more NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID meet.liberatedlens.org normally uses encryption to protect your information. When Chromium tried to connect to meet.liberatedlens.org this time, the website sent back unusual and incorrect credentials. This may happen when an attacker is trying to pretend to be meet.liberatedlens.org, or a Wi-Fi sign-in screen has interrupted the connection. Your information is still secure because Chromium stopped the connection before any data was exchanged. You cannot visit meet.liberatedlens.org right now because the website uses HSTS. Network errors and attacks are usually temporary, so this page will probably work later. BTW, Robb posted a jitsi tutorial here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L1NxHeN5YI I may join late or not at all because I'm generally woking my mutt at 7PM with my first wife (who now lives in the attic because she is working in rest homes and I'm old, immuno-compromised, and think that everyone is out to get me). On 5/13/20 4:04 PM, Jake wrote: Virtually, yes!!! We can use Jitsi I think, it's the FOSS version of the other streaming channels. I think maybe Robb set up a Jitsi server but i'm not sure. We should definitely practice getting together before it "starts" though I think it would be fun to see fellow sudoers! -jake On Wed, 13 May 2020, Lesley Bell wrote: Hi guys, Does anyone feel like having a meeting/party this wednesday or next? 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Meet 7/29? On Wed, May 13, 2020, 5:53 PM Ed Biow &lt;biow(a)riseup.net&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss

8-8:30? On Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 10:29 AM Marc Juul &lt;marc(a)juul.io&gt; wrote: > Yes. What time? > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM Lesley Bell &lt;zvezdalune(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> Meet 7/29? >> >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2020, 5:53 PM Ed Biow &lt;biow(a)riseup.net&gt; wrote: >> >>> Jitsi's pretty easy and seems to work well. Basically, just point a >>> browser at *https://meet.jit.si/ <https://meet.jit.si/>**sudoroom* or >>> any other random room name. Chromium/Google-Chrome is reputed >>> <https://community.jitsi.org/t/jitsi-meet-google-chrome-vs-firefox/17093/12> >>> to work better than Firefox, but I've used both. And if you don't have >>> sufficient bandwidth or a webcam/mic you can just call in to a room number >>> to get the audio, even with a dumb fon. If you have a smarty phone you >>> should probably consider downloading the jitsi app >>> <https://jitsi.org/downloads/> from Google Play, F-Droid or the >>> cApple App Store. >>> >>> We've been using jitsi for the Oscar Grant Committee for the last >>> couple of months. And bizarrely I'm actually one of the younger, more >>> teck-savvy OGC types and was able to coach all of the others what to do. >>> For the most part there were no problems, but one person had to phone in >>> because I couldn't coach her through installing the app (or any app) on her >>> iPhone and another had to call in because he couldn't figure out how to >>> connect his iPhone to his wireless router. I'm not quite sure folks are >>> dropping a thou on a fancy phone when they are so technologically >>> challenged that they might as well have a flip-phone. >>> >>> I don't think we necessarily need to use Robb's Jitsi server (unless >>> we want to encrypt our conversation?), but this is where it is: >>> >>> meet.liberatedlens.org >>> >>> But I'm not sure it's ready to use, when I tried to access it I got: >>> Your connection is not private >>> >>> Attackers might be trying to steal your information from *meet.liberatedlens.org >>> <http://meet.liberatedlens.org>* (for example, passwords, messages, >>> or credit cards). Learn more >>> NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID >>> >>> meet.liberatedlens.org normally uses encryption to protect your >>> information. When Chromium tried to connect to meet.liberatedlens.org >>> this time, the website sent back unusual and incorrect credentials. This >>> may happen when an attacker is trying to pretend to be >>> meet.liberatedlens.org, or a Wi-Fi sign-in screen has interrupted the >>> connection. Your information is still secure because Chromium stopped the >>> connection before any data was exchanged. >>> >>> You cannot visit meet.liberatedlens.org right now because the website >>> uses HSTS. Network errors and attacks are usually temporary, so this page >>> will probably work later. >>> >>> BTW, Robb posted a jitsi tutorial here: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L1NxHeN5YI >>> >>> I may join late or not at all because I'm generally woking my mutt at >>> 7PM with my first wife (who now lives in the attic because she is working >>> in rest homes and I'm old, immuno-compromised, and think that everyone is >>> out to get me). >>> >>> >>> On 5/13/20 4:04 PM, Jake wrote: >>> >>> Virtually, yes!!! We can use Jitsi I think, it's the FOSS version of >>> the other >>> streaming channels. I think maybe Robb set up a Jitsi server but i'm >>> not sure. >>> >>> We should definitely practice getting together before it "starts" >>> though >>> >>> I think it would be fun to see fellow sudoers! >>> >>> -jake >>> >>> On Wed, 13 May 2020, Lesley Bell wrote: >>> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> Does anyone feel like having a meeting/party this wednesday or next? >>> >>> L >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> -- >>> +++++++++++++++++++sig hell+++++++++++++++++++ >>> Edmund Joseph Biow >>> 328 Haddon Road >>> Oakland, California 94606 >>> (510) 763-0591 (dumb landline, no caller ID, answering machine in attic, generally monitored in morning) >>> (415) 623-6473 (cell, I monitor the landline more frequently) >>> >>> EMAILbiow(a)sonic.net (personal) - biow(a)riseup.net (political) - ejbiow(a)gmail.com (large attachments) - ebiow(a)yasashi.net (bcc) ejbiow(a)yahoo.com (commercial) >>> >>> IM (Instant Messaging, like text messaging but for computers) >>> (I recommend pidgin with the 'otr' encryption plugin as an instant message client):ejbiow@gmail.com - ejbiow(a)yahoo.com - EdJBiow (AIM) - biow(a)riseup.net - often "Gnudnik" on irc.freenode.net >>> >>> Skype username: edmundbiow >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe to the lists for which I'm an administrator send an email to the following: >>> Subscribe:occupyoakland-subscribe@lists.riseup.netoscargrantcommittee-subscribe@lists.riseup.netoaklandprivacyworkinggroup-subscribe@lists.riseup.netoaklandpublicbank-subscribe@lists.riseup.netoccupyoaklanddiscuss-subscribe@lists.riseup.netoaklandlivablewagediscussion-subscribe@lists.riseup.net (dormant)occupyoaklandkitchen-subscribe(a)lists.riseup.net (dormant) >>> >>> Unsubscribe:occupyoakland-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.netoscargrantcommittee-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.netoaklandprivacyworkinggroup-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.netoaklandpublicbank-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.netoccupyoaklanddiscuss-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net >>> >>> Relatively secure EMAIL: >>> >>> You can use a PGP key to encrypt and secure our messages. 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Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god? - Epicurus (341-270 BCE) >>> >>> _-^--^=-_ >>> _.-^^ -~_ >>> _-- --_ >>> < >) >>> | That's all, folks! | >>> \._ _./ >>> ```--. . , ; .--''' >>> | | | >>> .-=|| | |=-. >>> `-=#$%&%$#=-' >>> | ; :| >>> _____.,-#%&amp;$(a)%#&amp;#~,._____ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> > _______________________________________________