Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) You can reach the person managing the list at sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 (J.D. Zamfirescu) 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Matthew D. Howell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:12:42 -0800 From: "J.D. Zamfirescu" &lt;zamfire(a)gmail.com (mailto:zamfire@gmail.com)> To: Matthew Senate &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)> Cc: sudo-discuss &lt;sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 Message-ID: &lt;CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A(a)mail.gmail.com (mailto:CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A@mail.gmail.com)> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Agreed with Matt. As TOOOL says, understanding how locks work (and what their vulnerabilities are) helps everyone make smarter decisions about physical security. Might be worth mentioning that very few burglaries involve picked locks; it's too easy to throw a brick through a window instead. Also, for the record, the workshop is full at 20 participants. J.D. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Senate &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>wrote: > Hey Cyrus, > > I think putting lock-picking in a larger context (up to globally) will > help folks understand that this is a helpful and inquisitive practice that, > for instance, helps improve security through experience and knowledge of > security systems like locks. This statement is obvious to the security / > hacker community, but not obvious to many others. For me personally, when I > was living in a student cooperative, I needed to unlock a filing cabinet I > bought used that came without a key. I watched a Youtube video of a > 14-year-old who showed me how to do it with (I believe something like) an > aluminum can and a paperclip. That was very helpful, and also exposed me to > the reality that simple locks provide a nominal layer of security (just > pulling open), but almost always have available exploits. I wouldn't put > things I wanted to keep completely secure in that filing cabinet--but I > would put things I didn't want to easily walk away. > > That being said, it is also important to note that this is one (I believe > ~30 people, sold out) of many workshops to be held over the weekend in > Oakland for http://workshopweekend.net/, and one of many events that > happen at sudo room. Sudo-hosted events range from coding meetups > http://www.meetup.com/EBJavaScript/ and informal learning sessions > http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned to local community organizing > http://communitydemocracyproject.org/ and nerds who care about the > environment http://nerdsfornature.org/. See more on our calendar > http://sudoroom.org/calendar/ and come down this Friday during Art > Murmur. > > // Matt > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Cyrus Farivar &lt;cfarivar(a)gmail.com (mailto:cfarivar@gmail.com)>wrote: > > > FWIW?I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on > > the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has > > long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can > > include/add it. > > > > -C > > > > -- > > Cyrus Farivar > > "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" > > > > Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) > > Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) > > US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar > > "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the > > Internet." > > cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM, > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote: > > > > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) > > 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak) > > 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800 > > From: Eddan Katz &lt;eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)> > > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class > > Message-ID: &lt;512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net (mailto:512FA05C.7070407@clear.net)> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > > It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that > > can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog > > post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of > > Jean Quan to not even look into it. > > > > In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the > > act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge. > > There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd > > want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of > > locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to > > know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are > > authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify > > that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach > > people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by > > no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes. > > > > We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles > > before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about > > it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little > > more fair and balanced reporting. > > > > > > > > On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote: > > > > more: > > > > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com) > > <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>>> wrote: > > > > It's awesome, free press! > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren > > &lt;rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com<rustylindgren@gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com)>>> > > wrote: > > > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of > > "journalism" I have ever seen. > > > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is > > just a cheaper version of that? (see: > > http://www.lock411.com/training.html). > > > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled > > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. > > > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go > > to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about > > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling". > > > > -Rusty > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu > > &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>>> > > wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that > > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend. > > > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 > > > > Here is Oakland Local's response: > > > > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… > > > > Anca > > > > > > -- > > -=-=-=- > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal > > anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>> > > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660> > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: > > facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > > > Rusty Lindgren > > ** > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > >