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Cere Misc

10 Mar 2022 10 Mar '22

9 p.m.

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Jenny Ryan

10 Mar 10 Mar

9:54 p.m.

I personally don't think sudoroom should put itself on a kremlin watch list.. But DM me to coordinate around some relevant projects! -jnny On 3/10/22 21:00, Cere Misc via sudo-discuss wrote:

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Autonomous

11 Mar 11 Mar

10:38 a.m.

A few questions: Does anybody know of a 100% FOSS messenger, including its internal encryption mechanisms? Which is the least bad, the least corrupt, search engine out there? Does anybody know of a strong, solid and quick VPN with Russian outlets? On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:55 PM Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:

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I personally don't think sudoroom should put itself on a kremlin watch list.. But DM me to coordinate around some relevant projects! -jnny On 3/10/22 21:00, Cere Misc via sudo-discuss wrote: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdLF4x89uuZk8rqJu85jURvQPNJCAznMRw… _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org More options at https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org More options at https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/

Eric O'Connor

12:16 p.m.

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On Mar 11, 2022, at 10:38, Autonomous via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: A few questions: Does anybody know of a 100% FOSS messenger, including its internal encryption mechanisms? Which is the least bad, the least corrupt, search engine out there? Does anybody know of a strong, solid and quick VPN with Russian outlets? On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:55 PM Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:

I personally don't think sudoroom should put itself on a kremlin watch list.. But DM me to coordinate around some relevant projects! -jnny On 3/10/22 21:00, Cere Misc via sudo-discuss wrote:

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Autonomous

1:05 p.m.

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https://signal.org Anything else will be worse. There are people who have complaints about how signal is run (it doesn’t use standard protocols, and the official servers are only available for official builds), but it’s all public, GPL source code — you could compile and run your own client/server if you wanted to. https://github.com/signalapp/libsignal-client DuckDuckGo is the most privacy oriented search engine you will find. I don’t know about VPNs. On Mar 11, 2022, at 10:38, Autonomous via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: A few questions: Does anybody know of a 100% FOSS messenger, including its internal encryption mechanisms? Which is the least bad, the least corrupt, search engine out there? Does anybody know of a strong, solid and quick VPN with Russian outlets? On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:55 PM Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:

Autonomous

2:03 p.m.

DuckDuckGo is now running down-raking censoring algorithms. See: The End of DuckDuckGo https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/tb0ngj/the_end_of_duckduckgo/ And: DuckDuckGo Down-Ranks Sites Associated With "Russian Disinformation". The move is in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. However, some users are complaining the action goes against DuckDuckGo's goal of unbiased search results. https://www.pcmag.com/news/duckduckgo-to-down-rank-sites-associated-with-ru… On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 1:05 PM Autonomous <autonomous666(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Signal for Android is not entirely FOSS since all official APKs include closed source Google dependencies including Firebase Cloud Messaging, Maps, Authentication and Wallet/Payments. There's a fork of Signal for Android <https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/> with proprietary Google binary blobs removed. Uses OpenStreetMap for maps and a websocket server connection, instead of Google Maps and Firebase Cloud Messaging. https://www.twinhelix.com/apps/signal-foss/ On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 12:16 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote: > https://signal.org > > Anything else will be worse. There are people who have complaints about > how signal is run (it doesn’t use standard protocols, and the official > servers are only available for official builds), but it’s all public, GPL > source code — you could compile and run your own client/server if you > wanted to. > > https://github.com/signalapp/libsignal-client > > DuckDuckGo is the most privacy oriented search engine you will find. > > I don’t know about VPNs. > > > > On Mar 11, 2022, at 10:38, Autonomous via sudo-discuss < > sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: > > > A few questions: > > Does anybody know of a 100% FOSS messenger, including its internal > encryption mechanisms? > > Which is the least bad, the least corrupt, search engine out there? > > Does anybody know of a strong, solid and quick VPN with Russian outlets? > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:55 PM Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss < > sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: > >> I personally don't think sudoroom should put itself on a kremlin watch >> list.. >> >> But DM me to coordinate around some relevant projects! >> >> -jnny >> On 3/10/22 21:00, Cere Misc via sudo-discuss wrote: >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdLF4x89uuZk8rqJu85jURvQPNJCAznMRw… >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at >> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org > More options at > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ > >

Karissa McKelvey

2:05 p.m.

People are using Delta Chat right now in Ukraine as an alternative to Signal which doesn't rely on phone numbers (which can be tracked) and is e2ee with open source Rust internals -- https://delta.chat/ On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 2:04 PM Autonomous via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:

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Signal for Android is not entirely FOSS since all official APKs include closed source Google dependencies including Firebase Cloud Messaging, Maps, Authentication and Wallet/Payments. There's a fork of Signal for Android with proprietary Google binary blobs removed. Uses OpenStreetMap for maps and a websocket server connection, instead of Google Maps and Firebase Cloud Messaging. https://www.twinhelix.com/apps/signal-foss/ On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 12:16 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote: > > https://signal.org > > Anything else will be worse. There are people who have complaints about how signal is run (it doesn’t use standard protocols, and the official servers are only available for official builds), but it’s all public, GPL source code — you could compile and run your own client/server if you wanted to. > > https://github.com/signalapp/libsignal-client > > DuckDuckGo is the most privacy oriented search engine you will find. > > I don’t know about VPNs. > > > > On Mar 11, 2022, at 10:38, Autonomous via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: > > > A few questions: > > Does anybody know of a 100% FOSS messenger, including its internal encryption mechanisms? > > Which is the least bad, the least corrupt, search engine out there? > > Does anybody know of a strong, solid and quick VPN with Russian outlets? > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:55 PM Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: >> >> I personally don't think sudoroom should put itself on a kremlin watch list.. >> >> But DM me to coordinate around some relevant projects! >> >> -jnny >> >> On 3/10/22 21:00, Cere Misc via sudo-discuss wrote: >> >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdLF4x89uuZk8rqJu85jURvQPNJCAznMRw… >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org > More options at https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/

Cere Misc

4:04 p.m.

Dumb question that I can't find on the FAQ about delta.chat: What about storage management? Like how does this app keep my email storage email from filling up? On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 2:06 PM Karissa McKelvey via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:

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DuckDuckGo is now running down-raking censoring algorithms. See: The End of DuckDuckGo

https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/tb0ngj/the_end_of_duckduckgo/

And: DuckDuckGo Down-Ranks Sites Associated With "Russian Disinformation".

The move is in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. However, some users are complaining the action goes against DuckDuckGo's goal of unbiased search results.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/duckduckgo-to-down-rank-sites-associated-with-ru…

> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 1:05 PM Autonomous <autonomous666(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> > Signal for Android is not entirely FOSS since all official APKs include

closed source Google dependencies including Firebase Cloud Messaging, Maps, Authentication and Wallet/Payments.

> > There's a fork of Signal for Android with proprietary Google binary

blobs removed. Uses OpenStreetMap for maps and a websocket server connection, instead of Google Maps and Firebase Cloud Messaging.

> > https://www.twinhelix.com/apps/signal-foss/ > > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 12:16 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org>

wrote:

>> >> https://signal.org >> >> Anything else will be worse. There are people who have complaints

about how signal is run (it doesn’t use standard protocols, and the official servers are only available for official builds), but it’s all public, GPL source code — you could compile and run your own client/server if you wanted to.

>> >> https://github.com/signalapp/libsignal-client >> >> DuckDuckGo is the most privacy oriented search engine you will find. >> >> I don’t know about VPNs. >> >> >> >> On Mar 11, 2022, at 10:38, Autonomous via sudo-discuss <

sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:

>> >> >> A few questions: >> >> Does anybody know of a 100% FOSS messenger, including its internal

encryption mechanisms?

>> >> Which is the least bad, the least corrupt, search engine out there? >> >> Does anybody know of a strong, solid and quick VPN with Russian

outlets?

>> >> >> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:55 PM Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss <

sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:

>>> >>> I personally don't think sudoroom should put itself on a kremlin

watch list..

>>> >>> But DM me to coordinate around some relevant projects! >>> >>> -jnny >>> >>> On 3/10/22 21:00, Cere Misc via sudo-discuss wrote: >>> >>>

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdLF4x89uuZk8rqJu85jURvQPNJCAznMRw…

>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>> More options at

https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/

>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at

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Yardena Cohen

4:14 p.m.

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 4:05 PM Cere Misc via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:

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Dumb question that I can't find on the FAQ about delta.chat: What about storage management? Like how does this app keep my email storage email from filling up?

I think it deletes them over IMAP and then just stores it locally.

Jenny Ryan

5:13 p.m.

The org i work with is hosting multiple services, including Delta Chat, on (currently 6) UA servers at https://dcomm.net.ua Please share with folks in UA, and feel welcome to use them yourself (you can use either an existing email account or create a new email for DeltaChat correspondences via our IMAP server). Feedback / contribs /PRs / forks welcome: https://github.com/censorship-no/dcomms - especially for the guides as this has been very rapidly evolving (if you speak UA or RU we especially need translators, as colleagues in UA and RU are under a lot of stress rn). Feel welcome to suggest additional services we might support (so long as they are open source, decentralized, audited, localized in UA and RU and e2e encrypted) Also DM me for an invite link to a VPN w/ RU endpoints, if you are in touch with people there. Important to have backup options as many popular VPNs are being rapidly blocked (colleagues say TOR main and public bridges are inaccessible, and ExpressVPN, Nord VPN, Opera VPN, Vypr VPN have been blocked). -jnny On 3/11/22 14:05, Karissa McKelvey via sudo-discuss wrote:

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Signal for Android is not entirely FOSS since all official APKs include closed source Google dependencies including Firebase Cloud Messaging, Maps, Authentication and Wallet/Payments. There's a fork of Signal for Android with proprietary Google binary blobs removed. Uses OpenStreetMap for maps and a websocket server connection, instead of Google Maps and Firebase Cloud Messaging. https://www.twinhelix.com/apps/signal-foss/ On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 12:16 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote: > https://signal.org > > Anything else will be worse. There are people who have complaints about how signal is run (it doesn’t use standard protocols, and the official servers are only available for official builds), but it’s all public, GPL source code — you could compile and run your own client/server if you wanted to. > > https://github.com/signalapp/libsignal-client > > DuckDuckGo is the most privacy oriented search engine you will find. > > I don’t know about VPNs. > > > > On Mar 11, 2022, at 10:38, Autonomous via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: > > > A few questions: > > Does anybody know of a 100% FOSS messenger, including its internal encryption mechanisms? > > Which is the least bad, the least corrupt, search engine out there? > > Does anybody know of a strong, solid and quick VPN with Russian outlets? > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:55 PM Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: >> I personally don't think sudoroom should put itself on a kremlin watch list.. >> >> But DM me to coordinate around some relevant projects! >> >> -jnny >> >> On 3/10/22 21:00, Cere Misc via sudo-discuss wrote: >> >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdLF4x89uuZk8rqJu85jURvQPNJCAznMRw… >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org > More options at https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/

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