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Re: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 211 (Cyrus Farivar) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:16:44 -0800 From: Cyrus Farivar &lt;cfarivar(a)gmail.com (mailto:cfarivar@gmail.com)> To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 211 Message-ID: &lt;058F1A7272C64F069631C24D0A06989C(a)gmail.com (mailto:058F1A7272C64F069631C24D0A06989C@gmail.com)> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Matt, can I quote you in the piece? -- Cyrus Farivar "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 1:15 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 (J.D. Zamfirescu) > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Matthew D. Howell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:12:42 -0800 > From: "J.D. Zamfirescu" &lt;zamfire(a)gmail.com (mailto:zamfire@gmail.com)> > To: Matthew Senate &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)> > Cc: sudo-discuss &lt;sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 > Message-ID: > &lt;CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A(a)mail.gmail.com (mailto:CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A@mail.gmail.com)> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Agreed with Matt. As TOOOL says, understanding how locks work (and what > their vulnerabilities are) helps everyone make smarter decisions about > physical security. > > Might be worth mentioning that very few burglaries involve picked locks; > it's too easy to throw a brick through a window instead. > > Also, for the record, the workshop is full at 20 participants. > > J.D. > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Senate &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>wrote: > > > Hey Cyrus, > > > > I think putting lock-picking in a larger context (up to globally) will > > help folks understand that this is a helpful and inquisitive practice that, > > for instance, helps improve security through experience and knowledge of > > security systems like locks. This statement is obvious to the security / > > hacker community, but not obvious to many others. For me personally, when I > > was living in a student cooperative, I needed to unlock a filing cabinet I > > bought used that came without a key. I watched a Youtube video of a > > 14-year-old who showed me how to do it with (I believe something like) an > > aluminum can and a paperclip. That was very helpful, and also exposed me to > > the reality that simple locks provide a nominal layer of security (just > > pulling open), but almost always have available exploits. I wouldn't put > > things I wanted to keep completely secure in that filing cabinet--but I > > would put things I didn't want to easily walk away. > > > > That being said, it is also important to note that this is one (I believe > > ~30 people, sold out) of many workshops to be held over the weekend in > > Oakland for http://workshopweekend.net/, and one of many events that > > happen at sudo room. Sudo-hosted events range from coding meetups > > http://www.meetup.com/EBJavaScript/ and informal learning sessions > > http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned to local community organizing > > http://communitydemocracyproject.org/ and nerds who care about the > > environment http://nerdsfornature.org/. See more on our calendar > > http://sudoroom.org/calendar/ and come down this Friday during Art > > Murmur. > > > > // Matt > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Cyrus Farivar &lt;cfarivar(a)gmail.com (mailto:cfarivar@gmail.com)>wrote: > > > > > FWIW?I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on > > > the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has > > > long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can > > > include/add it. > > > > > > -C > > > > > > -- > > > Cyrus Farivar > > > "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" > > > > > > Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) > > > Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) > > > US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar > > > "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the > > > Internet." > > > cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) > > > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM, > > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote: > > > > > > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) > > > 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak) > > > 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800 > > > From: Eddan Katz &lt;eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)> > > > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class > > > Message-ID: &lt;512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net (mailto:512FA05C.7070407@clear.net)> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > > > > It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that > > > can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog > > > post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of > > > Jean Quan to not even look into it. > > > > > > In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the > > > act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge. > > > There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd > > > want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of > > > locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to > > > know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are > > > authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify > > > that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach > > > people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by > > > no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes. > > > > > > We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles > > > before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about > > > it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little > > > more fair and balanced reporting. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote: > > > > > > more: > > > > > > > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com) > > > <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com &lt;mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>>> wrote: > > > > > > It's awesome, free press! > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren > > > &lt;rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com<rustylindgren@gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com)>>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of > > > "journalism" I have ever seen. > > > > > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking > > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is > > > just a cheaper version of that? (see: > > > http://www.lock411.com/training.html). > > > > > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled > > > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. > > > > > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go > > > to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about > > > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling". > > > > > > -Rusty > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu > > > &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that > > > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend. > > > > > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 > > > > > > Here is Oakland Local's response: > > > > > > > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… > > > > > > Anca > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -=-=-=- > > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal > > > anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com &lt;anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>> > > > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660> > > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: > > > facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rusty Lindgren > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > >