thanks to Hol and all the folks at Microcontroller Hack Night who made my first time to Sudo Room so engaging, enjoyable and delicious! Great guac and salsa! Sudo Room felt kind of like when I first came into Portland's Free Geek 12 years ago. Lots of radical F/OSS folks trying to solve the worlds problems by helping each other learn to do stuff! The major difference was that Free Geek specifically targets the two most formidable problems with technology (imho) by using e-waste and the Digital Divide against each other. But we had lots of tinkering just the same. I adore what yalls have created and hope to return again soon. Er, I forgot the name of the northern European guy (I thank he was Dutch) with whom I was speaking about bike powered electronics, but I have loads more questions. phil ------------------------------------------------------ erotic elegance and ergonomic efficiency ------------------- Bike Smut --------------------