My friend Hao of Dorabot wrote me an email that clarifies what we can
expect from the robot. Of course this assumes no hacking, and we can
hack.
one thing I was interested in was "remote" mode through the serial port.
I believe that it can be set to be controlled by commands like "let me
send you this job" "start that job" which would allow us to effectively
control it in real time.
but that will take some reading of manuals and experimenting. As for the
latter, i have connected the robot's serial port to the desktop computer
we use for 3d printing, and I can provide logins for that machine to
anyone who wants to experiment. I confirmed that with the null-modem
adaptor (thanks Somebody!) it does communicate, although i haven't had any
meaningful conversations with it.
of course there is always the radical alternative - the entire YASNAC
control system could be replaced with a homebrew solution that allows us
to do whatever we want. The problem is that it would take a bit of
programming to drive the axes at speed without overshoot, and there's
dynamic gravity and inertia dependant on the posture of the thing and the
mass of whatever it's holding.. could be a lot of math to get it perfect.
however, if someone were to create a control program for it, a lot of
people around the world might like to use it. Hell, people would probably
pay for it since it would easily replace an entire YASNAC ERC unit.
the motor controllers we have are the CACR series as described here:
http://spaz.org/~jake/robot/CACR-SR-servopinouts.pdf
and they are pretty simple to control - you send them an analog voltage to
tell them which direction to turn, and how fast. You send an analog
voltage to say how much torque to exert (seperately for each direction),
and it sends out analog voltages telling you how fast it is going, and how
much torque it's exerting. And of course the encoders are always telling
you the actual position for all the axes so you can decide whether to make
changes to get what you want.
in the meantime though, we should keep playing with it as-is and see if we
can "hack" to get control of it without anything as radical as a
replacement controller.
-jake
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There are several models of MOTOMAN robot that can be controlled over
serial port, and some even supported by ROS Industrial community. If your
Robot controller is DX100, then you are very lucky.
However I think your robot is super old so probably not supported by ROS
Industrial. You can check it out here:
http://wiki.ros.org/Industrial/supported_hardware
Anyway, usually an industrial robot can be used in following ways:
Teach & Replay by teach panel
offline programming (generate a tool path offline and upload it, like 3D printer)
modern robot can be used in these ways, in addition to previous ones:
online program uploading (you generate end-effector/tool path and upload
to the robot control box via serial port/ethernet, and the robot executed
it right after it receives the path.
very few robot support this: real-time control of the robot joint,
including position, velocity, acceleration and so on. As far as I know,
only Universal Robot and maybe Baxter support this. Kuka/DLR's LBR(Light
Weight Robot) might support it too, but it's not for sale to general
public.
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Andrew Lowe <andrew(a)lostways.com> wrote:
> I did not attend this event, but I have attended ONL events before. ONL is a
> talk show, I'm not sure why not being political enough makes them
> "offensive". I mean I will let them speak for them selves, but they are an
> entertainment show, why would you expect a "debate" at a talk show?
>
> Anyway, just standing up for this show even if it isn't really my cup of tea
> all the time, I think what ONL has been able to do with it is pretty
> amazing, and to force them out because their show isn't radical enough in
> the ways you want it to be would be a shame.
Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but just for the record ...
1) To bill Saturday's show as apolitical "entertainment" would be
disingenuous. They did not invite Dan Siegel the private citizen to
chat with him about his hobbies. They invited three candidates for an
upcoming election to air campaign commercials, give stump speeches and
answer token questions about their political platform. Exactly that,
no more, no less.
2) Absolutely nothing in my critique was "radical". It was barely even
liberal. Asking for substantive debate is about the most centrist
position you could possibly imagine. Has our overton window really
shifted this much?
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On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 6:29 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> We've still got some things strewn around the basement
A month later, this is still the case. Tomorrow (Sunday) at 6pm some
Omni folks are throwing a basement-cleaning party. Things may get
thrown out unless they are marked with a note or some blue masking
tape. They also plan to cull the book collection, creating a pile of
unwanted books to be recycled the following week. I highly recommend
Sudoers attend and help out with this. Thanks.
>> http://wiki.omni-oakland.org/w/ONL
On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Charley Sheets <rcsheets(a)acm.org> wrote:
> It seems like section 7 could use some additional detail. I for one
> don't know what "Saturday's 9/6 ONL event" was, or why it would be
> offensive.
They had 3 mayoral candidates in the room (parker, tuman, siegel), but
chose to interview one candidate at a time. Each candidate got an
uninterrupted stump speech, pandering questions from the hosts, then 2
ad-hoc audience questions, and that was it. One even screened a
commercial.
I was disappointed and insulted because I'd heard it was going to be a
"debate." Maybe it got distorted in the rumor-mill. But either way,
this candidate-showcasing style of engagement is something people have
fought against for ages. It's passive, undemocratic, and pointless. If
we're going to engage with electoral politics we should know this
history. Here's the League of Women Voters explaining why they stopped
hosting presidential "debates" in 1988:
http://www.lwv.org/press-releases/league-refuses-help-perpetrate-fraud
Some more history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_debates#D…
I think at minimum, a debate needs to:
* force candidates to interact with each other
* invite all candidates at the same time
* prioritize audience participation and engagement
We missed an opportunity - we had them on our turf and did nothing new
with them - but it's not too late. On October 11 they're hosting 3
more (schaaf, kaplan, quan). Maybe ONL will be open to input on how
they conduct next month's event! Any Sudoers who want to ask tough
questions on the record of present and future mayors on our turf,
now's your chance to get involved. :)
Cep is coming to take care of a lot of things starting Tuesday but can't do
it unless there are bodies here to help him. We need people to come
tomorrow!
He is coming at 8am starting tomorrow. We will have a car. We need AT LEAST
3 people besides me and him, but the more the merrier.
Please folks.. show up n helps?
Thx! David
to all those who have expressed interest in hacking the robot,
i hope to come to sudoroom tonight to play with it some more.
i have bolts with which to bolt it down to its pallet, and I will add
2x4 boards to the pallet to make it less likely to tip over. It won't be
perfect but it will be good enough to play with, and still easy to move to
a different location when the time comes.
If you haven't already started, start reading the fucking manuals at this
site:
http://spaz.org/~jake/robot/
specifically,
http://spaz.org/~jake/robot/479950-3-Programming_manual_v4.pdf
and if you're into coding and want to control it from a real computer,
read this one (and some others, not sure which) starting around page 43
(page 49 of the PDF):
http://spaz.org/~jake/robot/479236-17-Communications.pdf
I will take care of physically connecting it to the serial port of the
3d-printing desktop computer, so you can connect over the network and
operate it that way without having to connect the robot to your laptop.
Tonight (assuming i make it to sudo on time) i intend to program it to
shake its maraca vigorously to the beat of some music, and bolt it down to
its platform.. not necessarily in that order. Oh and hook up the serial
cord.
-jake
i feel ridiculous asking for a null-modem adaptor...
and certainly one can be made with a bit of soldering on a regular cable
(which we have extras of)
but if anyone has a null-modem adaptor laying around, i think we need it
for the robot. A DE-9 to DE-9 (male to female) would be ideal, although a
DB-25 one would work too. Even if it goes from 25 to 9 pins that would be
fine. We have lots of regular serial cables.
This is to hook the 3d-printing desktop computer up to the robot, so we
can make it do more stuff. I am not sure a null-modem adaptor is needed,
but it doesn't seem to say anything at all without one so i'm guessing
that's the problem. Normally a disk drive (which we have) plugs into this
port on the robot, so to connect the robot to a computer would suggest
DTE-DTE which would require a null-modem adaptor.
-jake
* there is no such thing as a DB-9 connector:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature#mediaviewer/File:DSubminiatures…
DCE/DTE and null-modem adaptors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_terminal_equipment
Howdy,
Let me begin with thanking you for looking at the proposal. Your
interpretation of the plans is correct.{ Main -> above stage panel ->
balcony panel } is how the proposed plan is drawn. There is enough room in
the balcony panel (which is the one located in the small room that shares a
wall with the server loft of sudoroom) to accomplish phase 1 of the
proposal. The proposal is based on instruction received to minimize cost.
Ideally, there would be a main panel breaker that supplies a sub panel for
all of sudo's needs (phase 1 and phase 2). I can't accurately guess at a
cost number for this type of installation. Figure a 100amp sub with
hundreds of feet of 2awg plus breaker box plus breakers plus conduit plus
hardware. All depending on if the main service can even handle the
additional power demands (hiring an electrician to run the calcs). Ballpark
$3-5k maybe- but its really a shot in the dark?
My experience with this type of thing is there is always a better way to do
it, if you go the money.
A middle road is to plan on having the future sudo-sub panel placed near
the balcony panel. Build in an extra 5ft or so of wire for the future
transition into the new sudo-sub panel. All that would be needed is to
remove the breakers from the old box re-run wire from J-box 1 to the new
sudo-sub, as well as re-routing the 240V lines from the above stage panel
to the sudo-sub (and of course preform all the main -> suod-sub work).
as far as existing vs proposed. only the sub panels mentioned above exist
currently- I'll make a note to call out the existing stuff in the drawings.
Thanks,
Whit
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Cere Mona Davis <ceremona(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone. It's the first time I have looked at these plans and I have
> some questions and thoughts. Dave said he won't be able to respond to this
> email until a couple of days as he is out in the boonies somewhere. So I
> am writing in to expedite some issues that I think he will likely bring up
> in the days ahead.
>
> Whit, thanks for drawing up these plans! For someone who is not
> intimately familiar with our electrical layout the plans might need a more
> clear description of existing electrical vs. proposed new electrical,
> however.
>
> In multiple conversations with Dave (and one on-site visit) he has
> mentioned repeatedly that we will want to shoot for putting in another sub
> panel for the sudoroom off of the main panel as the end-game; rather than
> daisy-chaining off of an existing panel (the balcony) as what seems to be
> proposed here. If we can't immediately put in a sub panel into the room,
> due to cost, we should at-least be planning for conduit and wiring paths,
> etc that allows for a sudoroom sub-panel in the future.
>
> Thoughts?
> -Cere
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:23 AM, <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Yar! Whit can you liaise w/ Dave RE how much of the work is
>> going to be done under the first permit?
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Hol
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-09-04 23:16, yar wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, Dave Pedroli is a certified electrician who's offered to
>> review our plans to give them an okay. I'm copying him and the people
>> who've been most involved with electrical work.
>>
>> Dave, the latest plans are attached, and also available online[1 <https://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/2014-August/007369.html>].
>> Could you please look them over and write us a few formal-sounding
>> sentences that boil down to "hello I am a real electrician and I say
>> these plans are solid"? This will help us make the landlord happy so
>> he will let us do them. Thank you!!
>>
>> [1] https://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/2014-August/007369.html
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Cere Davis
> ceremona(a)gmail.com
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On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Dave Pedroli <davepedroli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Fine by me.
Dave, thanks so much for your help. Can we interpret this as a general
"ok" for our plans to move forward? Our next step is to get approval
from the landlord, and he's going to ask the same thing, so we just
need to be clear. Thanks!
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Andrew Lowe <andrew(a)lostways.com> wrote:
> I did not attend this event, but I have attended ONL events before. ONL is a
> talk show, I'm not sure why not being political enough makes them
> "offensive". I mean I will let them speak for them selves, but they are an
> entertainment show, why would you expect a "debate" at a talk show?
>
> Also while it is true that ONL reduced their rent before singing the
> sublease option, there still has been no official policy that says that that
> action (which Backspace took as well, at the time) requires a
> re-application.
>
> It would be great if ONL paid more, but keep in mind that we haven't come up
> with a price for nightly rentals in the ballroom, when we do I think it
> would be fair to evaluate ONL's contribution based on that.
>
> Anyway, just standing up for this show even if it isn't really my cup of tea
> all the time, I think what ONL has been able to do with it is pretty
> amazing, and to force them out because their show isn't radical enough in
> the ways you want it to be would be a shame.
I don't think the event should be "forced out" but I do think ONL
should be restructured as just another group that rents the ballroom,
and not a core OOC collective with delegate status that they never
exercise anyway.
Hi!
We recently received an awesome donation of yerba mate cuttings!
Patrick came by tonight and helped us root it in perlite with rooting
hormone.
It should be spritzed with water multiple time a day, so feel free to give
it a spritz when you're in the space!
I'll bring in a spray bottle and a checklist for indicaring upkeep tomorrow
or Tuesday :)
I for one welcome our new mate overlords. <3
Hullo S(tan) P(ublishes) A(wesome) Z(ines) & other worthies,
This weekend at the Land of Broken Refrigerators---aka the 'Coon Shack, aka our permission
squat located in a warehouse in one of San Francisco's few green oases---myself, Glamortramp
& a mysterious entity known only as +11+ will go into full production mode on the first issue
of "RESISTOR: a Zine for those holding on for dear life to San Francisco (as well as those we
have already lost)."
https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/08/10/18759852.php
I o w, zine-making party in SF this weekend, and no one is invited! We've got glue sticks,
scissors, a ream of 11 x 17 paper, & a semi-working laptop, which is all we need to slap this
first issue together. So we don't need your help. But we will be happy to give you a print
copy of RESISTOR #1 in person the next time we cross paths in SF. So if you want one, let us
know.
We plan to print 100 copies or so of this first issue. It will be online eventually but we
can't tell you where or when just yet. One or two issues of RESISTOR will be produced before
we move north (at long last!) in late September or early October. Back to the Pacific
Northwest---finally!---where it may still be possible to leave the raccoon life behind & live
once again like a human being, with the comforts of modern civilization.
Then again, that sounds kind of boring, & there's something to be said for the raccoon
life---so either way, we'll be all right.
We could use help printing the zine! Black & white on tabloid (11 x 17" paper) is what we
need. If you can help, let us know! Drop us a line here or at sfresistor(a)riseup.net.
Peace etc.
+11+
Glamortramp
& Longshanks
--
Not all who wander are lost.
Hi,
I am looking for someone that is skilled at electronics and mechanics who would have availability to help me with some upcoming small art projects. Prefer someone in the east Bay because that is where I live. I’m willing to pay $$ for your time, please contact me if interested, thanks,
Tracy
http://www.funkyautomata.com
for those of you wanting to program the giant robot from another computer,
here is the place to start learning its language:
http://spaz.org/~jake/robot/479236-17-Communications.pdf
page 51 seems to be a good place to start reading.
-jake
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> In this case, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong someone) we would need the
> Board of Responsibility and Little Power to acknowledge an official
> "treasurer" for corporate-status and tax purposes. It would be prudent to
> schedule some point in the near future to perhaps convene and take care of
> this and any other formalities that comprise the "Responsibility" part of
> the board's title.
Agreed, the board definitely needs to start scheduling its next
meeting now. The last one was November 2013 iirc.
This is so RAD. Bravo.
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> </div><div>Date:09/05/2014 10:50 PM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org </div><div>Cc: James Halliday <mail(a)substack.net> </div><div>Subject: [sudo-discuss] robot works! </div><div>
</div>the robot finally works. Jenny got us a three-phase power converter and
that's all it took! people have been steering it around using the
training pendant all night. It makes a squealing noise while it's on.
http:spaz.org/~jake/robot/pix
http:spaz.org/~jake/robot/video/VID_20140905_214843.mp4
it has a serial port. we are going to need to RTFM a bit to learn how to
actually control it, for example from a program on a real computer.
it can move much faster than we are able to steer it with the control
pendant. But for now it moves pretty slow, even on "fast" mode.
here are all the PDFs i have found so far. I believe there is enough
information in here to be able to communicate with the thing over the
serial port. If you want any help actually connecting serial to it,
please let me know.
I would like to plug it into a serial port on the 3d printing computer,
and then people will be able to talk to the robot from their laptop using
socat or whatever program they run on that computer. Let me know if
you're interested in doing that. But first read the manuals, and put
whatever you find on the wiki page so the rest of us know where to start.
http://spaz.org/~jake/robot/
-jake
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the robot finally works. Jenny got us a three-phase power converter and
that's all it took! people have been steering it around using the
training pendant all night. It makes a squealing noise while it's on.
http:spaz.org/~jake/robot/pix
http:spaz.org/~jake/robot/video/VID_20140905_214843.mp4
it has a serial port. we are going to need to RTFM a bit to learn how to
actually control it, for example from a program on a real computer.
it can move much faster than we are able to steer it with the control
pendant. But for now it moves pretty slow, even on "fast" mode.
here are all the PDFs i have found so far. I believe there is enough
information in here to be able to communicate with the thing over the
serial port. If you want any help actually connecting serial to it,
please let me know.
I would like to plug it into a serial port on the 3d printing computer,
and then people will be able to talk to the robot from their laptop using
socat or whatever program they run on that computer. Let me know if
you're interested in doing that. But first read the manuals, and put
whatever you find on the wiki page so the rest of us know where to start.
http://spaz.org/~jake/robot/
-jake
Hello Sudo,
I want to make it clear that eventually - not right now - I want to find a
replacement for myself as Sudo Treasurer.
*Responsibilities*
The things the Treasurer has to do are:
(i)be responsible for filing yearly taxes,
(ii) deposit misc. funds into the bank account
(iii) give out misc money that sudo room approves
(iv) report to sudo room the state of finances.
*Fundraising*
Additionally, since Sudo Room is once again receiving less income each
month than expenditure, a good Treasurer would have some fundraising ideas,
and/or want to execute other's ideas.
My reason for leaving is to clear up space in my life for a career change -
not because the job is terribly dramatic, difficult or involved. (Post
Burning Man mental spring cleaning :) )
Thanks for listening,
Max Klein
‽ http://notconfusing.com/
Someone please troll this event. The free ticket link is re-usable and
non-unique.
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Hi sudo!
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