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[sudo meeting] Wed Apr 7 @ 7pm Sharp @ 2141 Broadway, Entrance on 22nd

by Matthew Senate

Hey all, Please join the sudo room meeting, this is a critical time for us to collaborate on steering sudo room and our community toward a sustainable future. Add items for the Agenda on Wednesday: https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroommeeting Read previous minutes: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Minutes // Matt

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CRM on Wordpress // forming non-formal welcome email to new people

by Romy Ilano

https://sudoroom.org/wp-admin/tools.php?page=crm/crm.php Hi, I downloaded a super simple CRM and installed it on the SudoRoom Wordpress. I'm putting down email addresses that are on our sign-up poster. I'm adding people who randomly wander in. I'malso adding details -- one cool guy that came said that he knows one of the original inventors from way back of 3D PRinting and he can get that guy to come in and talk to us and hang out! wow! They asked me to send them a link to the wiki for SudoRoom--many are curious about what else is there to offer. I'm going to email them some quick link, make it short and sweet. - should embed if possible the wepay donation button into the welcome page! people are short ontime, but very nice and generous!!! <3

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join our github organization repo - https://github.com/sudoroom

by Romy Ilano

Hey folks, we now have a sudoroom github organization Talk to matt senate to be added as a member. https://github.com/sudoroom I am going to start adding my newbie arduino project code!

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Yes Discuss is Noisy, BUT...

by Matthew Senate

Maybe we can be really really thoughtful about what messages we send to the discuss list and remember that there are quite a few of us on here that want to keep up with the on-going discussions of sudo room (that's what it's all about--creating a creative communities and hackerspace). Further, we are making a public record with our archives being freely accessible. Lastly, it has been my experience that even noisy email lists tend to benefit when we pause, spend some time remembering what we got on the list for, and make sure we send emails at a necessary frequency, not an arbitrary one! // Matt

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wiki:3D Printing

by Romy Ilano

My sudoroomers, I have added the apocryphal holy texts illuminating the 3D Printer written by our Kopimism Rabbinate J to our esteemed wiki. Although our good shepherd is no longer with us quite often in physical form, his gentle, guiding hand leads us to 3D Printing nirvana. https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/3DPrinting#Documentation Highly recommended reading. <3

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github sudoroom?

by Romy Ilano

Is there a sudoroom github group we can contribute to? https://github.com/romyilano/Arduino-FSR Here is my Arduino code, I got a lot of help from Hol and other SudoRoom folks at the MicroController Hack night. [image: Inline image 1]

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It is April - pay your dues!

by Marina Kukso

hi everyone, if you haven't yet paid dues this month or want to get a head start on paying dues next month, please do so! we have exhausted our small amount of cushion and are now once again in a precarious month to month financial situation. you have a number of ways to pay your dues: 1) online (via wepay): https://sudoroom.org/ 2) online (via gittip): https://www.gittip.com/sudoroom/ 3) in person (anytime): please drop cash or checks into the clear plastic box by the door that goes to the elevator 4) in person (at meetings): bring cash or checks to wed. meetings. the space only exists if we are able to keep the doors open. we are a community and we are responsible to each other to maintain it. - marina

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Biohacking & Art -- <3

by Romy Ilano

Hi, I hung out with the CIA last night. No, *not *that CIA, but the*Conceptual Information Arts Department at SFSU (CIA) * http://userwww.sfsu.edu/infoarts/ I saw that they have a course in Art & Biology. This is so interesting. Have any of the sudoshroomers done any art & biology projects? The possibilities are endless!!!! <3 A lot of people are in the Experimental Sound meetup that meets at the end of the month. I hung out ato ne of their parties last night . Would be cool to get some biohacking art going on in the SudoRoom! *Art & Biology* Whether the cycles of life act as an inspiration or are actually incorporated into your art-making process, the study of biology can be a hotbed of novel visions. In this course we will attempt to reinvent the concepts and practices of biology in an artistic context. Possibilities may include: playing with microbes and microscopes, studying embryonic development, visiting laboratories and discussing recent advances in molecular biology. Living art projects will be encouraged.

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Hacktivists as Gadflies, Peter Ludlow

by Eddan Katz

For those concerned that Sudo Room is the corrupting the minds of the youth ... Going to try to make it to Kopimism worship today. If there's time, I'd like to read it aloud. Also, a reminder that we have to have Ludlow over to check out what we've been up to. sent from eddan.com APRIL 13, 2013, 1:36 PM Hacktivists as Gadflies By PETER LUDLOW Around 400 B.C., Socrates was brought to trial on charges of corrupting the youth of Athens and “impiety.” Presumably, however, people believed then as we do now, that Socrates’ real crime was being too clever and, not insignificantly, a royal pain to those in power or, as Plato put it, a gadfly. Just as a gadfly is an insect that could sting a horse and prod it into action, so too could Socrates sting the state. He challenged the moral values of his contemporaries and refused to go along with unjust demands of tyrants, often obstructing their plans when he could. Socrates thought his service to Athens should have earned him free dinners for life. He was given a cup of hemlock instead. We have had gadflies among us ever since, but one contemporary breed in particular has come in for a rough time of late: the “hacktivist.” While none have yet been forced to drink hemlock, the state has come down on them with remarkable force. This is in large measure evidence of how poignant, and troubling, their message has been. Hacktivists, roughly speaking, are individuals who redeploy and repurpose technology for social causes. In this sense they are different from garden-variety hackers out to enrich only themselves. People like Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates began their careers as hackers — they repurposed technology, but without any particular political agenda. In the case of Mr. Jobs and Mr. Wozniak, they built and sold “blue boxes,” devices that allowed users to defraud the phone company. Today, of course, these people are establishment heroes, and the contrast between their almost exalted state and the scorn being heaped upon hacktivists is instructive. For some reason, it seems that the government considers hackers who are out to line their pockets less of a threat than those who are trying to make a political point. Consider the case of Andrew Auernheimer, better known as “Weev.” When Weev discovered in 2010 that AT&T had left private information about its customers vulnerable on the Internet, he and a colleague wrote a script to access it. Technically, he did not “hack” anything; he merely executed a simple version of what Google Web crawlers do every second of every day — sequentially walk through public URLs and extract the content. When he got the information (the e-mail addresses of 114,000 iPad users, including Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Rahm Emanuel, then the White House chief of staff), Weev did not try to profit from it; he notified the blog Gawker of the security hole. For this service Weev might have asked for free dinners for life, but instead he was recently sentenced to 41 months in prison and ordered to pay a fine of more than $73,000 in damages to AT&T to cover the cost of notifying its customers of its own security failure. When the federal judge Susan Wigenton sentenced Weev on March 18, she described him with prose that could have been lifted from the prosecutor Meletus in Plato’s “Apology.” “You consider yourself a hero of sorts,” she said, and noted that Weev’s “special skills” in computer coding called for a more draconian sentence. I was reminded of a line from an essay written in 1986 by a hacker called the Mentor: “My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for.” When offered the chance to speak, Weev, like Socrates, did not back down: “I don’t come here today to ask for forgiveness. I’m here to tell this court, if it has any foresight at all, that it should be thinking about what it can do to make amends to me for the harm and the violence that has been inflicted upon my life.” He then went on to heap scorn upon the law being used to put him away — the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, the same law that prosecutors used to go after the 26-year-old Internet activist Aaron Swartz, who committed suicide in January. The law, as interpreted by the prosecutors, makes it a felony to use a computer system for “unintended” applications, or even violate a terms-of-service agreement. That would theoretically make a felon out of anyone who lied about their age or weight on Match.com. The case of Weev is not an isolated one. Barrett Brown, a journalist who had achieved some level of notoriety as the “the former unofficial not-spokesman for Anonymous,” the hacktivist group, now sits in federal custody in Texas. Mr. Brown came under the scrutiny of the authorities when he began poring over documents that had been released in the hack of two private security companies, HBGary Federal and Stratfor. Mr. Brown did not take part in the hacks, but he did become obsessed with the contents that emerged from them — in particular the extracted documents showed that private security contractors were being hired by the United States government to develop strategies for undermining protesters and journalists, including Glenn Greenwald, a columnist for Salon. Since the cache was enormous, Mr. Brown thought he might crowdsource the effort and copied and pasted the URL from an Anonymous chat server to a Web site called Project PM, which was under his control. Just to be clear, what Mr. Brown did was repost the URL from a Web site that was publicly available on the Internet. Because Stratfor had not encrypted the credit card information of its clients, the information in the cache included credit card numbers and validation numbers. Mr. Brown didn’t extract the numbers or highlight them; he merely offered a link to the database. For this he was charged on 12 counts, all of which pertained to credit card fraud. The charges against him add up to about 100 years in federal prison. It was “virtually impossible,” Mr. Greenwald, wrote recently in The Guardian, his new employer, “to conclude that the obscenely excessive prosecution he now faces is unrelated to that journalism and his related activism.” Other hacktivists have felt the force of the United States government in recent months, and all reflect an alarming contrast between the severity of the punishment and the flimsiness of the actual charges. The case of Aaron Swartz has been well documented. Jeremy Hammond, who reportedly played a direct role in the Stratfor and HBGary hacks, has been in jail for more than a year awaiting trial. Mercedes Haefer, a journalism student at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, faces charges for hosting an Internet Relay Chat channel where an Anonymous denial of service attack was planned. Most recently, Matthew Keys, a 26-year-old social-media editor at Reuters, who allegedly assisted hackers associated with Anonymous (who reportedly then made a prank change to a Los Angeles Times headline), was indicted on federal charges that could result in more than $750,000 in fines and prison time, inciting a new outcry against the law and its overly harsh enforcement. The list goes on. In a world in which nearly everyone is technically a felon, we rely on the good judgment of prosecutors to decide who should be targets and how hard the law should come down on them. We have thus entered a legal reality not so different from that faced by Socrates when the Thirty Tyrants ruled Athens, and it is a dangerous one. When everyone is guilty of something, those most harshly prosecuted tend to be the ones that are challenging the established order, poking fun at the authorities, speaking truth to power — in other words, the gadflies of our society. Peter Ludlow is professor of philosophy at Northwestern University. His most recent book is “The Philosophy of Generative Linguistics.” Copyright 2013 The New York Times CompanyPrivacy PolicyNYTimes.com 620 Eighth Avenue New York, NY 10018 sent from eddan.com

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Whose monitor etc in common room?

by Cyrus Farivar

I met someone on Friday whose name I've forgotten who has the monitor etc in the comment area to be used with a raspberry Pi. I was using it again today to try to setup my Pi. Whoever it is, would it be possible for me to take it home to setup my Pi tonight or another night this week? I'll bring it back, I swear! If not, no biggie. --- Sent from my iPhone Cyrus Farivar +1 510 394 5485 (US) http://arstechnica.com/author/cyrus-farivar/

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kopimism services: sympathetic SImpsons portrayal of the Fountainhead

by Romy Ilano

My brothers and sisters, I will stop making fun of Ayn Rand today and play a sympathetic view of the Fountainhead. What gifted,creative child has not experienced being smashed and oppressed in such ways? http://www.popmodal.com/video/2549/Ayn-Rand--Simpsons-Fountainhead *Good morning! Is everyone ready for kopimism worship today at 2pm?* - this week we discovered from the Public School Dance teacher, sucked into our fold, that dance and choreography has been and can be copyrighted! - we are thinking of modifying the Scientology e-meter (which is a modified ohmmeter) without getting massively sued https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/Kopimism#Kopimism_Hardware - we have absorbed the experimental music group and the conceptual information arts (CIA!) into our group as a subsect http://userwww.sfsu.edu/infoarts/ they will be creating our group chants and hymns https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/Kopimism#Ritual_Chants halleluja!

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360 panorama of sudoroom

by Romy Ilano

@sudoroom Hacker Space in oakland Click to view interactively: http://360.io/WApjMW Captured with --- Romy Ilano Founder of Snowyla http://www.snowyla.com romy(a)snowyla.com

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Yuri's night at Rainbow Mansion

by Ryan Bethencourt

Hi All, It's Yuri's night tonight in at the Rainbow mansion. I''ll be going with a bunch of friends. Any other Sudo'ers want to join? ****** Join us for Rainbow Mansion's annual Yuri's Night party! There will be DJs, dancing, drinks, real NASA folk, space pirates, and more! Come dressed as your favorite space character, alien, astronaut, or soviet super-human. Anything that is space or soviet/russian related will do. A costume is not required, but if you don't dress up, you will make your host cry and no one wants to see a grown man cry at a party. At the door suggested donation: $5-$10 (please). We have to pay for the booze some how! Yes, you can invite/bring friends! Please park either past our driveway, or on the cross street before Rainbow Drive. Look for "No Parking" signs on Rainbow Drive before our driveway! (These are actual signs, not like the ones from God.) Address: 21677 Rainbow Drive, Cupertino CA 95014 What is Yuri’s Night? Yuri’s Night is the largest annual celebration of space exploration encompassed by humankind’s curiosity through scientific and technical achievements. Taking place each year in hundreds of cities around the world, Yuri’s Night was established to commemorate humankind’s first venture into space by Russian Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin on April 12, 1961. -- Ryan Bethencourt Tel: (415) 794 6463 ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com www.bamh1.com www.linkedin.com/in/bethencourt www.logos-press.com/books/biotechnology_business_development.php

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MAPS Psychedelic Science Conference (volunteers needed this weekend)

by Jenny Ryan

Happy Caturday, sudoers! I'm a lead volunteer for the upcoming Psychedelic Science Conference,<http://www.maps.org/conference/>and our very own Ray the Ice Cream Man will be providing delicious holistic nutrition for staff and volunteers throughout the weekend! MAPS <http://maps.org>, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, is looking for some local Oakland folks to pick up some of the early (Wednesday) and late (Monday) volunteer shifts. If you've been thinking about attending, volunteering is a great way to interface with the amazing international array of artists, scientists and therapists in the psychedelic community. Signing up for 3 4-hour shifts also earns ya a discounted $125 ticket to the conference. Shoot me an email for details!

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Hack the Gallery tonight!

by Patrick Schmidt

Dear friends, come on out tonight to hack the Gallery in Berkeley, we are having a community art show 'Networks and Transitions", artist reception from 7-10 pm with wine and snacks. Hope to see you then, Patrick 415-425-3240 1861 Solano Avenue A Berkeley CA 94707 With Bus 18 from Oakland (or Downtown Berkeley) towards Albany, get off "Solano Avenue / the Alameda" at the oaks Theater. Walk down a bit and turn right into the small all, voila.

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Sudo Room featured in Permacities game!

by Vicky Knox

My friend Alfred Twu developed a free online educational game in which you can alter the cityscapes of a number of northern Californian cities (such as Oakland and San Francisco) so that once-blase storefronts can become food cooperatives, streets that once favored cars can be loaded with bike lanes and bioswales, big banks can be occupied and entire city blocks can be CONQUERED BY SUDO ROOM (This is a new feature. Not kidding)!! While making these changes, you can have the option of following external links to learn more about the topics covered. I'm dying of laughter. This is awesome! Find a photo of the Sudo Block ("Sudo Square"?) here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=506178112774900&set=a.2315910069002… The full game launches in the summer, but in the mean time, you can warp Oakland and other cities here: http://permacities.com/

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[To: Announce] DanceSound LED Collab - 6pm Saturday meeting - come by!

by Romy Ilano

Hey folks, The Public School dance teacher is at SudoRoom today at 6pm. Come by to brainstorm, participate! She's going to be rehearsing and is open to new ideas about how to integrate LED lights, electronics, possibly sound? https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/DanceSound Welcoming: - Dancers - you don't have to go to all of the rehearsals, and you can perform in front of the audience. Rehearsal is every Saturday at 6pm until May 3rd. see wiki for details - Sound experiment / light artists / costume artists- to give Jen ideas - Costumes welcome when: May 3rd @ Berkeley Museum 7pm Yeah!

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Live-tweeting #oaklandnightslive

by Eddan Katz

I was doing it during the first half, but now have to head home during the intermission. Can the Sudo folks there do some tweeting plugging #SudoRoom and #oaklandnightslive for the second half? There are a LOT of them there by the way. Re-tweeting does count as helping, but only half. sent from eddan.com

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Sudo Hike this Sunday? :)

by Ryan Bethencourt

Hi All, It's going to be a beautiful weekend and I was wondering if anyone is interested in starting an occasional Sudo hike group? We could hike, enjoy the outdoors and talk about tech... which to me is winning :) Anyone interested? If so, let me know and we can plan something for this Sunday. R -- Ryan Bethencourt Tel: (415) 794 6463 ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com www.bamh1.com www.linkedin.com/in/bethencourt www.logos-press.com/books/biotechnology_business_development.php

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Clothes with electronics that are instruments

by Romy Ilano

Anyone interested in musical clothes? I'm interested in creating a beatbox hoody (saw a project in. Book) I'm not so interested in buying musical clothes stuff that already exists / anything to do with Zumba <3 --- Romy Ilano Founder of Snowyla http://www.snowyla.com romy(a)snowyla.com

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Re: [sudo-discuss] privacy and violations; nym rights and other.

by Rabbit

Hi everyone, I'm a new potential member (see you at the Python meetup tonight). I'd like to share an essay by Bruce Schneier: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/04/privacy_and_con.html "To the older generation, privacy is about secrecy. And, as the Supreme Court said, once something is no longer secret, it's no longer private. But that's not how privacy works, and it's not how the younger generation thinks about it. Privacy is about control. [...] Your loss of control over that information is the issue. We may not mind sharing our personal lives and thoughts, but we want to control how, where and with whom. A privacy failure is a control failure." With that in mind, here are my personal commandments for software that I write: -- If someone is ever surprised by the privacy outcome of a piece of software, the software needs to be made more clear. Never blame the user for not understanding things -- Allow people to delete or take down their content -- The extent to which content is indexed / searchable matters. There's a practical difference between public-but-not-searchable and public-and-appears-on-Google. Technically neither is secret, but that's not the only thing that matters. -- Things that people say in an ephemeral context, like small talk, should stay ephemeral. One way to move forward would be to have two lists -- a public archived-forever one and a private ephemeral one. (P.S. is the IRC channel logged too?) -Rabbit On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:09 PM, William Budington <bill(a)inputoutput.io> wrote: > On 04/11/2013 11:58 AM, aestetix wrote: > >> There's also the use case issue (I'm sure there's a more proper term). >> I'm totally ok with our list being transparent to people who want to >> learn and teach others. I'm a lot less ok with it going to a large >> company that will be using it to data-mine what products to target >> consumers with. If you take that a step further you'll find a >> quasi-analogy to Real Genius. >> > > Unfortunately, I don't think there is a clear separation between what > will be used to benefit others by being transparent and what will be > used to harm us personally. We can talk theoretically about this issue, > but there is no practical situation where we can prevent someone with a > disproportionate amount of power from using our written words against > us. Based on these words, an employer can hire or fire us, pressure us, > and political authorities can do whatever they want to us. So our words > don't operate in a vacuum where we can control their lateral effects. > Words are not circuits, and have no control flow. Or if they do, it is > by no straightforward mechanism that they travel. > > We can also develop policies and opt-out strategies (robots.txt for > example) to limit the archivability of our words, but this seems to me > an imperfect solution. Primarily because it only limits the webcrawlers > that themselves opt-in to obeying these requests. > >> That said, this is part of a much larger "boundaries" discussion the >> internet is forcing the world to have right now. >> >> Anyhow, just my two cents, feel free to disregard at your pleasure :) >> >> Hail Eris, >> aestetix >> >> User-agent: googlebot >> Disallow: * >> >> On 4/11/13 11:27 AM, Anon195714 wrote: >> >>> Sorry but a little more "transparency and openness" about what was >>> going to happen to emails to that list, rather than using overtly >>> misleading language, would have prevented this kerfluffle in the >>> first place. >> >>> "Categorically object" all you like, but that boils down to an >>> assertion that you have some kind of right to make and spread >>> copies of someone else's words _against their will_, and infringe >>> their privacy _against their will_, which is truly authoritarian. >> >>> Aestetix, if you're reading this, your input would be highly >>> welcome. >> >>> Meanwhile I have work to do today. >> >>> -G. >> >> >>> ===== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 13-04-11-Thu 10:58 AM, rachel lyra hospodar wrote: >>>> >>>> At the bottom of every email to this list is a link to >>>> 'listinfo' which opens with an archive of every post to the list. >>>> If the boilerplate seems unclear to people we can talk about >>>> changing it but I categorically object to removing anything from >>>> the archive. >>>> >>>> Transparency and openness are part of our core values, archiving >>>> emails is very standard, the listinfo page makes it clear that >>>> this is done using completely standard language, and if anyone >>>> wishes to have their statements go unattributed they are welcome >>>> to not enter them into the Internet, or to use a pseudonym. >>>> >>>> R. >>>> >>>> On Apr 11, 2013 10:53 AM, "Anon195714" <anon195714(a)sbcglobal.net >>>> <mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let's be really clear about this: >>>> >>>> This is the explicit language in the sign-up document: >>>> >>>> "Subscribing to sudo-discuss Subscribe to sudo-discuss by filling >>>> out the following form. You will be sent email requesting >>>> confirmation, to prevent others from gratuitously subscribing >>>> you. This is a private list, which means that the list of members >>>> is not available to non-members." >>>> >>>> "THIS IS A PRIVATE LIST, WHICH MEANS THAT THE LIST OF MEMBERS IS >>>> NOT AVAILABLE TO NON MEMBERS." >>>> >>>> That's a representation of a material fact. And the link to the >>>> archive says NOTHING about that archive being anything that >>>> would violate or contradict the language I quoted above: no >>>> disclosure, no nothing. >>>> >>>> Blatant misrepresentation. >>>> >>>> "May need to be doing a better job" is the understatement of the >>>> year. >>>> >>>> The answer is, I'm going to hold SudoRoom to the terms & >>>> conditions I signed, and that material is going to be taken down >>>> immediately until such time as anything I've posted in it can be >>>> removed from any publicly searchable content. This is not >>>> optional, any more than free repair under warranty is optional, >>>> or the absence of horsemeat in "100% beef frankfurters" is >>>> optional. >>>> >>>> I'm holding SudoRoom to its stated language. >>>> >>>> -G. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ====== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13-04-11-Thu 10:42 AM, Marina Kukso wrote: >>>>> hi george, >>>>> >>>>> i'm very sorry that you feel that you did not consent to >>>>> having this information public. this list has been publicly >>>>> archived since it began and i think that we've tried to make >>>>> that clear (although it seems that we may need to be doing a >>>>> better job!). >>>>> >>>>> unfortunately i'm not sure to what extent the "welcome to >>>>> sudo-discuss list" email that new list members receive >>>>> includes information about content being publicly archived >>>>> (could someone help with this?), but perhaps we may need to >>>>> make this more explicit in that letter. >>>>> >>>>> for additional background on why we made the decision to >>>>> publicly archive contents, the idea is not necessarily to >>>>> promote "transparency and openness" as a matter of principle >>>>> only, but because part of what we wanted to do with sudo room >>>>> is to make our history as easy for others to use as possible so >>>>> that others who are starting and running hackerspaces can learn >>>>> from our experience and discussion. in other words, to >>>>> facilitate ctrl-c/ctrl-v of hackerspaces around the world. >>>>> >>>>> - marina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Anon195714 >>>>> <anon195714(a)sbcglobal.net <mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Right, and when you slip LSD into the fruit punch at a party >>>>> and don't tell anyone, do you justify that by saying you're >>>>> trying to encourage enlightenment? Who needs informed consent >>>>> anyway, right? Hey, who needs consent of any kind? >>>>> >>>>> Sorry yo, that don't go. It's NON CONSENSUAL, like seducing >>>>> someone and failing to disclose to them that you have STDs. >>>>> It's a trust-break in a big way. >>>>> >>>>> I'm asserting my right to put this on the meeting agenda for >>>>> next Wednesday, and pull in any record of anything I signed >>>>> that contained TOS. >>>>> >>>>> Let me be really clear about this: I'm as serious as a fucking >>>>> heart attack about this, and anyone who thinks it's a joke is >>>>> fucking sick. >>>>> >>>>> This "open and transparent" stuff is starting to become a chant >>>>> fit for a cult, that short-circuits reason and critical >>>>> thinking. In reality it's a house of one-way mirrors foisted >>>>> by the powerful on the masses to enable "prediction and >>>>> control" down to the level of the individual. >>>>> >>>>> Enough was enough long ago, just like muggings and the rest of >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> -G. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ===== >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 13-04-11-Thu 10:07 AM, mattsenate(a)gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> We set the list up to be public in an effort to remain as >>>>>> transparent and open as possible. This is a blessing and a >>>>>> burden. We should be mindful of the scope of our language and >>>>>> interested in maintaining private conversation off the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Additionally, if you seek a lot of privacy, I don't recommend >>>>>> communicating over the internet if it can be helped. >>>>>> >>>>>> // Matt >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- From: "Tracy Jacobs" >>>>>> <kinetical(a)comcast.net> <mailto:kinetical@comcast.net> To: >>>>>> "Romy Ilano" <romy(a)snowyla.com> <mailto:romy@snowyla.com> Cc: >>>>>> "sudo-discuss" <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> >>>>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> Subject: >>>>>> [sudo-discuss] Michael Orange - film events - Battle for >>>>>> Brooklyn - any sudo members interested in an intro? Date: >>>>>> Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:54 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sudoers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Why does our discussion list have to be published on the >>>>>> internet? I don't personally want it to be that public. Who >>>>>> decided it should be done that way, and is there another >>>>>> option? >>>>>> >>>>>> Tracy On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Romy Ilano >>>>>> <romy(a)snowyla.com <mailto:romy@snowyla.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey here is one of the film events that Michael Orange >>>>>>> from top 10 social is presenting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/events/563556023675662/?notif_t=plan_user_invited >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> Michael's also working with the Oakland Library as well,so >>>>>>> I'll mention the history wki people from sudoroom are >>>>>>> there! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this probably isn't necessary for anyone here... but in >>>>>>> case one or two people gets the temptation: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Michael Orange is an all around good guy--please treat >>>>>>> him well, minimize over the top business plans, "industry >>>>>>> type behavior", and approach him as you would a family >>>>>>> member. If we talk to him the wrong way it will be a smear >>>>>>> on my reputation and his opinion matters a lot to me. =D >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss >>>>>> mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss >>>>> mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss >>>> mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss >>> mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Getting violated and putting a stop to it.

by Romy Ilano

I'm curious about the future implications of big data, sharing and employer profiling. Suppose I said on the publicly searchable google list that I love drinking Coca-Cola more than Pepsi. Suppose I hacked a Coca-Cola jacket etc. and said I just "wasn't into" Pepsi. Now suppose that that thread was the first thing to show up in a list of googleable searches for my name. If I were to interview at a dot com for a developer position and that firm had close business associations with Pepsi but not Coca-Cola, then I might not get hired. Or if big data became very powerful, a potential health insurer could see that I drank Coca-Cola, and it's less healthy than Pepsi, and charge me higher rates, rates as high as someone who has severe diabetes. How would that go? So I know that this list is open, and I'm joining it knowing it's transparent, but I'm wondering how much more we will have to edit our opinions in the future in order to remain reputable or employable. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Liz Henry <lizhenry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Whoa.... It's a mailing list you sign up for of your own free will isn't > it? At http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss. Where it has a > link to a public archive on the web. Using totally standard mailing list > software. > > I think some cultures have an expectation of openness, and some of default > privacy. Hackerspaces seem to tend to frown on things like camera > surveillance, but to default to a lot of free/open source tech and culture > standards otherwise where there is a lot of transparency. > > There could always be another, private, sudo room mailing list, you just > would have to set another one up. > > The language about "list of members not being visible to other than list > members" is about looking at the full list of people subscribed. > > It sounds like a) you made a mistake b) it might be good for the mail > admin to add something more clear to the standard sign up email to > emphasize the archives are public. > > Cheers, > > - Liz > > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)eddan.com> wrote: > >> also, before we continue along the path of discussion, i would suggest >> steering clear of strong incriminating language being used to describe >> things that simply have no support in the law. this is an important >> discussion - i think we'll all be best off if we take it down a notch. >> >> >> On Apr 11, 2013, at 10:17 AM, "Anon195714" <anon195714(a)sbcglobal.net> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > I've taken this email off the sudo list and added Anthony and Eddan and >> > Aestetix to it for reasons that will be obvious to them when they read >> > this. >> > >> > Here's the cut-and-paste of Tracy's remark on this thread: >> > >> > "Sudoers, >> > >> > Why does our discussion list have to be published on the internet? I >> > don't personally want it to be that public. Who decided it should be >> > done that way, and is there another option? >> > >> > Tracy" >> > >> > So now there are TWO of us who DO NOT want our EMAIL to be fed to the >> > GOOGLE. >> > >> > And YEAH there's another option, which is to NOT publish our stuff to >> > the internet. That's what the fucking WIKI is for. Email by definition >> > is not that. >> > >> > It was never disclosed to me, and I never gave consent, to EMAIL being >> > published to GOOGLE. Email is not a blog, a wiki, or a website, any >> > more than a conference call is a radio broadcast. How would you like it >> > if you discovered that your telephone calls were being broadcast on the >> > radio, eh? >> > >> > So let's be really clear about this: I feel VIOLATED by this in a most >> > intimate and personal way. I was deceived by a failure to disclose a >> > material fact. Had I been informed that this stuff was going to be >> > published to the internet and made searchable by email address, I would >> > have created a compartmentalized address specifically for this purpose, >> > and used that address, not a personal address that I use for other >> > purposes. I routinely compartmentalize things for security purposes, it >> > takes only minor effort to do. >> > >> > INFORMED CONSENT IS A RIGHT, NOT A PRIVILEGE, and there is no getting >> > out of it by way of fine print or any other such garbage. >> > >> > And being violated is not a joke. Ha ha ha, someone put LSD (or Roofies >> > for that matter) in your soda, ha ha ha, the guy you slept with last >> > night had every disease in the book but he didn't tell you, ha ha >> > fucking ha, if you don't like salmonella don't eat the chicken at the >> > barbeque, we all like salmonella what's wrong with you if you don't? Oh >> > look, there's a VEGAN, let's slip him some LARD in his beans, ha ha ha. >> > Sorry y'all, that's not funny, it doesn't wash, it doesn't rinse, and >> > I'm fucking sick of spin. >> > >> > Holy fucking shit, I just pulled an allnighter for work, I'm about to >> > try to get four hours' sleep and then go into San Francisco and move >> > EFF's telephone service and about 50 phones, and THIS comes up. >> > >> > Believe me when I say this is way past my limit, and I am so fucking mad >> > right now that you don't even want to hear the first three metaphors for >> > it that come to mind. >> > >> > So do whatever it takes to disconnect this mailing list from Google, >> > NOW, and put this on the meeting agenda for next Wednesday, and you'd >> > better believe I'm going to raise a fucking stink that's going to make a >> > den of skunks look like a bouquet of roses if this doesn't get done. >> > >> > This shit totally puts the lie to every ounce of anarchist rhetoric I've >> > ever heard around here. >> > >> > -G. >> > >> > >> > ===== >> > >> > >> > On 13-04-11-Thu 9:42 AM, Romy Ilano wrote: >> >> In this case what are the practical solutions for your / non privacy? >> >> >> >> I'm curious. There is a lot of character assassination going on >> between companies where people hire trolls to harass victims and leave a >> trail of bad results in google searches >> >> >> >> I wouldn't say it happened to me but maybe! >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> >> Romy Ilano >> >> Founder of Snowyla >> >> http://www.snowyla.com >> >> romy(a)snowyla.com >> >> >> >> On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:24, Anon195714 <anon195714(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Oh Fuck. >> >>> >> >>> Fucking fuckity fuck. >> >>> >> >>> Fucking surveillance monster on the rampage. >> >>> >> >>> OK, time for me to change my fucking email address on the server, and >> >>> say Fuck a few more times just to get it out of my system. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks for the heads' up. >> >>> >> >>> Anyone here who believes in a deity is welcome to join me in praying >> for >> >>> Google's servers to melt into little puddles of colorful metallic >> >>> swirls, seething & bubbling on their server room floor. >> >>> >> >>> One more thing: Putting this list on the fucking Google was NON >> >>> CONSENSUAL and YES I am going to bring it up at a meeting, and if >> >>> there's any way to scrub my stuff off there, it's going to get done. >> >>> >> >>> -G. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ===== >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 13-04-11-Thu 9:18 AM, Hol Gaskill wrote: >> >>>> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=anon195714 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Apr 11, 2013 07:57:08 AM, lizhenry(a)gmail.com wrote: >> >>>> Sorry Romy that I sounded harsh and unclear. I'd be happy to talk >> any time. >> >>>> Anon195714, it is a public mailing list and its archives are public. >> >>>>> See http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss and click on >> the link for Archives. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> - liz >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Anon195714 >> anon195714(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> How is it that this EMAIL list is "Googleable"? >> >>>> >> >>>> Is this being posted to a website or something else that has a URL >> >>>> on it? >> >>>> >> >>>> Or has Google figured out a way to spy on email beyond what it >> >>>> already does with gmail? >> >>>> >> >>>> Sheesh. >> >>>> >> >>>> -G. >> >>>> "Consume! Obey!" >> >>>> "Big Data is Watching You." >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ===== >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 13-04-10-Wed 12:51 PM, Liz Henry >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> What are you >> >>>> talking about? This sounds completely, completely bizarre to >> >>>> me. >> >>>> >> >>>> I can't remember if you and I have met, but I hope that if we >> >>>> do meet, you won't approach me as a family member. Why are >> you >> >>>> quasi-introducing this person to an entire public mailing >> >>>> list? With these caveats? It seems not only weird, but >> >>>> outright rude, both to Orange and to the sudo community. >> >>>> >> >>>> Also, are you aware this is a public mailing list, perfectly >> >>>> visible and googleable? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Really.... >> >>>> whoever you are you just showed your ass. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Romy >> >>>> Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hey here is one of the film events that >> >>>> Michael Orange from top 10 social is presenting. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> https://www.facebook.com/events/563556023675662/?notif_t=plan_user_invited >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Michael's also working with the Oakland Library as >> >>>> well,so I'll mention the history wki people from >> >>>> sudoroom are there! >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> this probably isn't necessary for anyone here... >> >>>> but in case one or two people gets the temptation: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- Michael Orange is an all around good guy--please >> >>>> treat him well, minimize over the top business plans, >> >>>> "industry type behavior", and approach him as you >> >>>> would a family member. If we talk to him the wrong >> way >> >>>> it will be a smear on my reputation and his opinion >> >>>> matters a lot to me. =D >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >> >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >>>> Liz Henry >> >>>> >> >>>> lhenry(a)mozilla.com >> >>>> lizhenry(a)gmail.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >> >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> >> >>>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >>>>> Liz Henry >> >>>>> lhenry(a)mozilla.com >> >>>> lizhenry(a)gmail.com >> >>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >> >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> >>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> > >> >> > > > -- > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Liz Henry > lhenry(a)mozilla.com > lizhenry(a)gmail.com >

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Alameda County Apps Challenge

by Paul Ivanov

Hey gang, this just got sent to alumni of the Albany Civics Academy, and looks relevant to this group, so I thought I'd pass it along. Camille Crittenden, on 2013-04-12 16:57, wrote: > Dear Chelle and fellow Civics Academy alumni! > I write to let you know about an upcoming event that may > interest you or your friends and colleagues. Alameda County is > making a number of data sets available these days. One of the > county supervisors is organizing a hackathon to invite > programmers, designers, civic groups and interested community > members to create useful apps based on this data. The event > will be April 27 at Berkeley High School. See > http://code.acgov.org/ for more information and > http://acappschallenge2013.eventbrite.com/ to register. > > > I would be interested to explore whether Albany would like to > host a similar event at some point. I bet we could get some > enterprising students from AHS or other community members to > come up with good ideas for using Albany data. (In my day job I > direct the Data and Democracy Initiative at CITRIS, based at > UCB. The project is all about creating tools to foster civic > engagement for social, economic, and political issues. More > info is on our website at http://democracy.citris-uc.org.) best, -- Paul Ivanov http://pirsquared.org | GPG/PGP key id: 0x0F3E28F7

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Noob Mesh Networking Question

by Andrew

Say you have two houses near each other that want to share their Internet connections with eacth other as one wireless node. So, for example, they could both connect to Neighborhood WIFI and get a connection that uses their combined bandwidth. How is this possible? What's the best way to set this up so that other houses could join in and share their bandwidth as well. Thanks, Andrew -- ------- Andrew Lowe Cell: 831-332-2507 http://roshambomedia.com

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Saturday Clothes Hacking

by rachel lyra hospodar

Apr. 13 Clothes Hacking at Sudo Room! Title of Class: Clothes Hacking low key sewing workshop. Bring ideas, projects you are stuck on, clothes that need repair, an extra machine if you have one or just yourself. We have a scrap heap and clothes you can have!

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