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Re: [sudo-discuss] 3/5 Microcontroller Project Hack Night: Wrap-up

by Jenny Ryan

Yay! I want to come and learn next week! wrt scheduling, please check out http:sudoroom.org/calendar for any potential conflicts, and make the recurring event ( http://sudoroom.org/wp-admin). Let me know if you need any help with that! Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://thepyre.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Morten H. D. Fuglsang <vallebo(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Yes. Yesterday was awesome and I am all in favor of making this a regular > thing. Suggested times work well for me, albeit I have no clue about > scheduling conflicts in terms of other things. > Having it split into two segments seem to make sense. Let's try it out > and see what happens :) > > Make a great day, > Morten H. D. Fuglsang > US: +1 415 799 6931 // skype: FlyvendeHest > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:02 AM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> I wish I had more time, or I would have stayed and learned some arduino >> stuffz. >> >> Good work sudo peepz! >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:01 AM, <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> We had a good session last night, with a mushroom environmental control >>> system and an RGB color mixer both advancing to the next operational stage, >>> a beer brewing robot gaining a good amount of ground on its grainy prey, >>> and a wood gasifier control system not getting much attention at all as the >>> maker was having such a good time helping others out and generally talking >>> shop. Also had a first-time solderer successfully execute a cut-and-solder >>> list on some heavy amperage connections, learned how to google our >>> debugging problems into submission, extolled the virtues of power >>> transistor arrays, and determined experimentally that it probably isn't a >>> good idea to put a glass jar of process water in a bench vise. Throw in >>> some chips and salsa, and a good night was had by all. >>> >>> I'd like to make this a recurring thing and build momentum in the cycle >>> of getting an idea, turning it into a project, building the project, and >>> coming away with more and better ideas. To facilitate this, we could take >>> over the newly (?) vacated alternating tuesday meetup spot at sudo room. I >>> propose we break it up into one night a month for fresh ideas and new >>> entrants, one night a month for refining and implementing more developed >>> ideas. Here is what I propose: >>> >>> Microcontroller Project Hack Night >>> @sudo room >>> March 26 @ 5:30PM - 11PM >>> April 23 @ 5:30PM - 11PM >>> May 21 @ 5:30PM - 11PM >>> "A shared worktime for tackling microcontroller and robotics projects. >>> Bring that complex project you've been putting off finishing and hunker >>> down around the communal soldering iron and serial terminal for a >>> high-productivity, high-spirited build night. Both independent work and >>> collaboration strongly engouraged, as are snacks and other refreshments." >>> >>> Basic Microcontroller Hack Night >>> @sudo room >>> April 9 @ 5:30PM - 11PM >>> May 7 @ 5:30PM - 11PM >>> "A good night for both beginning and more experienced microcontroller >>> users. Emphasis is on first principles, trying out new sensors and >>> actuators, testing out new ideas that haven't yet found a home in a >>> project, and cracking open black boxes of all sorts for fresh ideas. >>> Eventually we will have low-cost starter kits available to get beginners >>> hacking right away." >>> >>> Are there any scheduling conflicts? Do people want to meet up more than >>> twice a month or does this seem like enough to satisfy your need for group >>> hacking sessions in this area? My theory is that we can always meet more >>> than this, but scheduling too many (ie weekly) meetups will max out peoples >>> bandwidth and result in decreased cohesion between attendees. I will also >>> work on getting this added to the calendar in the near future. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Hol >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> Rusty Lindgren >> ** >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >

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Python Meetup

by Matthew Senate

Finding a good time to touch some Open Oakland projects like CKAN and LocalWiki software development, put together a low-key meetup: http://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/python-meetup/ Looking for facilitators, attendees, participants, supporters, newbs, nerds, geeks, and all! // Matt

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THIS SAT 3/9: Today I Learned: Jewelry-Making and Jewelry Repair

by Marina Kukso

Please share widely!: *Jewelry-making and Jewelry Repair* Join us at Sudo Room this Saturday Mar. 9th at 2PM for a workshop on making and repairing jewelry. Bring broken and second hand jewelry plus any beads or other bits you have on hand and we will learn how to take apart old jewelry to make new creations. We will also have people on hand to help you repair any broken jewelry. Bring yourself and a friend, we’ll have snacks! Sudo Room is at 2141 Broadway (entrance on 22nd St., take the elevator upstairs). *This workshop is part of the series “Today I Learned,” a series of free workshops that take place every Saturday at 2PM at Sudo Room, a creative community and hackerspace in downtown Oakland. Check out the full schedule at sudoroom.org <http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned>.*

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Invite and Notice Mon, Mar 11, 6:30-9:00pm at Sudo Room

by Matthew Senate

Hey all, The Community Democracy Project http://communitydemocracyproject.org/ is hosting a special meeting on Monday March 11th, with at least one (maybe a few) guest speakers. Please be advised that we will be using more of the room and producing more sound (as well as requiring a bit more quiet during presentation(s). We have coordinated with the JavaScript meetup and plan to follow up with the Public School as a heads-up. More info: *What*: Community building + demystifying the budget + CDP campaign 101 *Meet other CDP supporters and volunteers *"Oakland Budget 101" training from local budget experts and activists *Hear from other groups working toward local economic justice *Training on talking about the campaign, mobilizing others *When*: Monday, March 11. Starts promptly at 6:30, ends by 9. // Matt

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Dystopia Watch: Surveillance drones coming to a cafe near you.

by Anon195714

(Matthew: I see your comment was posted to me but not posted to list, so I've redacted it from this posting to the list, which is in reply to you. If you want to post your comment to the list, feel free. Everyone else: it wasn't a scathing criticism or something scandalous, in fact I think Matthew may have wanted to post it to list but didn't hit Reply All. That said, it's up to him.) The surveillance ecosystem is already enormous, and the vast majority is in the private sector. General rule: "Dissipative structures form ecosystems around entropy-gradients." Organisms are dissipative structures; work is energy-conversion. This explains much of human social behavior as well as physical ecosystem behavior. For example people want music and they're willing to work hard (convert energy) to get it. Energy conversion produces an entropy gradient. The music industry middlemen (RIAA) insert themselves into the path between sources & sinks (artists & audiences, and that relationship is two-way) to tap as much energy out of this process as possible, in the form of money. Illegal file downloaders as well as self-produced bands who use Creative Commons or Copyleft, are seen by the music industry as short-circuits in the system. Consumer behavior in general is an enormous energy source (money source), and the goal of capitalism is ultimately to surround every consumer with the equivalent of a Dyson sphere to capture as much of their work output as possible. The modern surveillance ecosystem is all about "predicting and controlling" individual behavior, toward that end. So, per Matthew, one way to counter this is to set up a countervailing ecosystem, with entropy gradients tilted in such a manner as to produce incentives to fight back against the surveillance. As for defending privacy: privacy is equivalent to free speech. As a lawyer told us when I was working on "crypto for the masses" in the early 1980s, the right to freedom of speech necessarily includes the right to choose your audience. Today we commonly use the term "chilling effect" to refer to what happens when you can't choose your audience, e.g. when your boss and the credit bureaux etc. are likely to be watching you on "social" networks. It's been said more than once, that you can tell when someone's boss is watching them on Facebook: all of a sudden their comments go totally bland (not that any of us should be using Facebook unless we're deliberately using it as a publicity tool for political or other campaigns). That's the chilling effect in action. And if DARPA and Google have their way, where everyone's every conversation, private and in-person included, is recorded and archived and made searchable, the chill will be so total that it will make life in East Germany under the Stasi look like a picnic by comparison. Knowledge is power: when THEY know all about YOU, but you know nothing about them, who has the power? As the old song said, "Getting to know you / getting to know all about you..." Not to mention, "He sees you when you're sleeping / he knows when you're awake. / He knows if you've been bad or good / so be good for (getting lots of presents) sake!" Going back thousands of years, societies envisioned deities as concerned with individual "moral behavior" (i.e. sex) as a way of strengthening tribal cohesion. Western cultures in particular evolved with the very strong sense that their deities were keeping a close watch over them. This gave people a sense of comfort and protection. Today as agnosticism, atheism, and various forms of transpersonal beliefs (in effect religion without personalized deities) are on the rise in the geek sector, the sense of comfort from "being watched over" has transplanted itself from the deity to the surveillance superstructure. Many people are secretly fond of the idea that Big Google is reading every word they write, listening to every phone call they make, and following them around. This is nothing more than a new deity taking the place of the old one: "someone big who watches over us." It seems to me that a necessary part of the evolution of rational people away from the need for personalized deities, is to get away from the need for the "comfort" of being watched over. Individuals who are rational self-aware autonomous moral actors have no need of being watched over by anything other than our own consciences. -G. ===== On 13-03-05-Tue 2:43 PM, Matthew D. Howell wrote: (Comment was sent to me in private email, not to the list, so if Matthew wishes he can repost it to the list.) ===== On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Anon195714 <anon195714(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Re. Anthony, Rachel, Matthew, re "masking audio." >> >> That was the first thing I tried when I found out about NSA's voice >> recognition back in 1980 (if I recall correctly it was the October 1980 >> issue of _The Progressive_ that referred to the HARVEST program, keyword >> rec and voice rec, and some stuff in a British paper or magazine also, I >> may still have copies around). >> >> The idea was that instead of using a voice scrambler or crypto (which >> required a device at each end of a conversation), voice rec could be >> defeated from one end of a phone call by saturating the channel with >> just enough noise. What killed that idea was the fact that long >> distance telephony used T-carrier that split up the conversation into >> two different speech paths between telco central offices (e.g. me to >> you, you to me). So a device would still be needed at both ends, and >> one may as well just use a scrambler. That led me down the trail to >> details about scramblers (bottom line, analog scramblers aren't any >> good) and ultimately to cryptography by 1982 - 1983. >> >> Re. "every person's voice has a distinct signature that can be >> recognized...", yes, thus voiceprint recognition, which was 99.6% >> accurate in 1960 according to an article in _Telephony_ magazine at the >> time (I may still have that around also). Fast-forward to today at the >> speed of Moore's law, and you can be quite sure that voiceprint >> recognition is used for tracking. >> >> This is one of the things I find most pernicious about the decline in >> the use of landlines and the rise in the number of people with "mobile >> only": A landline enables you to design, build, connect, and use any >> hardware you choose, including digital voice crypto devices, and >> including computers running digital voice crypto. And with a landline >> phone, when the receiver is on the hook, the microphone is physically >> disconnected by the hookswitch, a visible set of switch contacts inside >> the phone. >> >> Mobile devices are sealed black boxes, the ultimate revenge against >> phone phreaks & phone hackers, where you have no final control over >> what's in the black box. Just like the bad old days of Ma Bell when it >> was quasi-illegal to connect "foreign attachments" to your home phone >> line. Even a voice crypto app on a mobile device is questionable at >> best, because you have no way of knowing if at some level it's being >> undermined by something else in the device that you can't detect. By >> analogy, crypto on your laptop, but a keystroke logger hiding between >> you and the crypto app. >> >> The mere possibility of being able to hack the hardware provides more >> security than any sealed box, and best of all is when you can design & >> build your own hardware, such as when people build their own desktop >> machines from components. >> >> Anyway, I agree with Rachel & Matthew that audio masking isn't >> sufficient because it can be undone by the watchers. It may have to do >> in some situations, but it would be better to design more "aggressive" >> personal defense tech such as wearable "resonant audio cannons" or >> something else. >> >> -G. >> >> >> ===== >> >> >> On 13-03-05-Tue 11:21 AM, Matthew D. Howell wrote: >>> @Rachel The state of the technology for recognizing and separating >>> patterns in audio is advanced enough to overcome that sort of thing. >>> Every person's voice has a distinct signature that can be recognized. >>> I would venture a guess that some kind of encrypted digital signal >>> transmission would be the best way to keep any sonic communication >>> private in the most extreme of situations. (most interested party with >>> the best technology at their disposal) >>> – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – >8 >>> /V\ /-\ + + |–| ø \/\/ ∂ £ £ >>> ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– >>> Matthew D. Howell >>> misterinterrupt, tHe M4d swiTcH, the RuinMechanic >>> cell: (617) 755-1481 >>> ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, rachel lyra hospodar >>> <rachelyra(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Wouldn't it need to be non-commercially available music, so they couldn't >>>> just find the audio data of the track, invert its wave, and cancel it out of >>>> the recording? >>>> >>>> CACOPHONY FOR THE REVOLUTION! >>>> >>>> mediumreality.com >>>> >>>> On Mar 5, 2013 10:23 AM, "Steve Berl" <steveberl(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> You could carry a boombox around playing loud music where ever you go. >>>>> Perhaps this would be the end of earbuds. :-) >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> People have rendered surveillance cameras useless with very bright IR >>>>>> LEDs in their fields of view. >>>>>> Could something similar be done for sound recording devices? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 5, 2013 6:17 AM, "Anon195714" <anon195714(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>> Yo's- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Something I forgot to add re. DARPA's desire for universal recording of >>>>>>> face-to-face conversations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's the ideal device for doing all that recording? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How'bout something you wear? How'bout something that "everyone" wears?, >>>>>>> or even a significant fraction of "everyone"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like maybe Google Glasses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Always on, camera and mic always "connected" to "the cloud." Orwell's >>>>>>> telescreen gone mobile. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Everyone who wears them will become, in effect, _unpaid surveillance >>>>>>> drones_ watching their family and friends, not from up in the sky, but >>>>>>> from up close where every word can be heard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some will say "oh, there's no stopping technology." People said that >>>>>>> about the atomic bomb and the hydrogen bomb. But public outcry led >>>>>>> first to treaties and then to progressive degrees of nuclear >>>>>>> disarmament. We haven't used that technology since it was first used in >>>>>>> WW2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We can stop pernicious tech if we choose. We can refuse, we can >>>>>>> withdraw consent, we do not have to press the Buy button. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Technology should liberate and empower people. "Conveniences with a few >>>>>>> strings attached" are not liberation, they're puppet-strings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's all about control: technology that you can control, vs. technology >>>>>>> that can control you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -G. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ===== >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 13-03-05-Tue 1:50 AM, Anon195714 wrote: >>>>>>>> Yo's- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This just in: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "DARPA wants to make [voice recognition/transcription] systems so >>>>>>>> accurate, you’ll be able to easily record, transcribe and recall all >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> conversations you ever have. ... Imagine living in a world where every >>>>>>>> errant utterance you make is preserved forever. ... DARPA [awarded >>>>>>>> U.Texas comp sci researcher Matt Lease]... $300,000... over two years >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> study the new project, called “Blending Crowdsourcing with Automation >>>>>>>> for Fast, Cheap, and Accurate Analysis of Spontaneous Speech.”" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "The idea is that business meetings or even conversations with your >>>>>>>> friends and family could be stored in archives and easily searched. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> stored recordings could be held in servers, owned either by >>>>>>>> individuals >>>>>>>> or their employers. ... The answer, Lease says, is in widespread use >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> recording technologies like smartphones, cameras and audio >>>>>>>> recorders... >>>>>>>> [A] memorandum from the Congressional Research Service described [an >>>>>>>> earlier DARPA project of this type known as] EARS, as focusing on >>>>>>>> speech >>>>>>>> picked up from broadcasts and telephone conversations, “as well as >>>>>>>> extract clues about the identity of speakers” for “the military, >>>>>>>> intelligence and law enforcement communities.”" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/03/darpa-speech/ (Yes, "real >>>>>>>> geeks >>>>>>>> don't read Wired," but nonetheless its news pages are useful for >>>>>>>> keeping >>>>>>>> a finger on the pulse of Big Brother and his corporate Brethren.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In short: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> DARPA is researching the means by which every conversation you have, >>>>>>>> in-person, whether at work or with family or friends, gets picked up >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> the mic in your smartphone or other portable device, and stored on a >>>>>>>> server, where DARPA's algorithms and human editors turn all of it into >>>>>>>> fast-searchable text, that could be used by your employer, the >>>>>>>> military, >>>>>>>> law enforcement, and intel agencies. Presumably the credit bureaus, >>>>>>>> insurance companies, and financial institutions will want "in" on the >>>>>>>> data as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now connect that with this, about cell-site tracking and call detail >>>>>>>> records: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "The government maintained [that] Americans have no expectation of >>>>>>>> privacy of such cell-site records [call detail records or CDR] because >>>>>>>> they are in the possession of a third party — the mobile phone >>>>>>>> companies." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/gps-drug-dealer-retrial/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The key point is that the gov's current position is that data stored >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> a third party's servers have "no expectation of privacy." What begins >>>>>>>> with CDR will eventually include voicemail messages stored on the >>>>>>>> mobile >>>>>>>> phone companies' servers, and then eventually all of your live >>>>>>>> in-person >>>>>>>> conversations that are stored "in the cloud." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Anything you say can and will be used against you..." Mark my words. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Meanwhile people keep using gmail and Google Voice, and smartphones >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> which they can't remove the batteries. Because nothing is more >>>>>>>> important >>>>>>>> than "convenience," right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As a character in a sci-fi piece I wrote in the mid-1980s said, "Why >>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>> a person in prison, when you can put prison in the person instead?" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -G. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -steve >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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Bay Lights - World's Largest LED sculpture debuts tonight 9pm

by Raymond Lai

Hey Sudoers, Just wanted to let everyone know that artist Leo Villareal<http://www.villareal.net/>'s new project The Bay Lights <http://thebaylights.org/> will debut tonight at 9pm with a live webcast starting at 8:30. 'The Bay Lights' is turning the Bay Bridge into massive art. 25,000 LEDs, 1.8 miles wide and 500' high. Villareal's is also the artist behind 'Multiverse<http://www.nga.gov/exhibitions/villarealinfo.shtm>' which utilizes 41,000 LEDs and is shown at the National Gallery of Art in Washington D.C. Cheers, Ray - the Emperor of Ice Cream

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Skymall Workshop / Skillshare: Basic Concrete Slab *Sat March 16*, 10am onward

by Vicky Knox

Hey all! My friend Bobby will be putting on the below workshop. He is an amazing builder and metalworker who I've been sneakily trying to suck into the vortex that is Sudo Room. If anyone is interested in going to this workshop that he is putting on, will you envangelize him please? This event is sure to be fun--he has a fascinating mind and brews awesome beer. If you're into beer, make sure to ask him to show you the huge vats he welded, as well as the taps he has set up. V From: Robert Tomkiewicz <tomkiewicz.b(a)gmail.com> Subject: Skymall Workshop / Skillshare: Basic Concrete Slab *Sat March 16*, 10am onward Hi all, I am in the process of modernizing the laundry facilites at the old homestead and the first step is pouring a little slab outdoors to hold the washer and dryer off the ground and function as a foundation for the shed which will hold them. Together, we'll (re)discover the basics of pouring a concrete slab. We'll be mixing by hand in wheelbarrows, which is just fine for a slab of this scale, unless I get a line on a mixer before the end of the week. I will have the forms built and (probably) the rebar laid before Saturday, but they'll be there for you to take a look at so you can see how they're constructed before we begin. Beer and snackage provided. Space is limited to the amount of people that will actually be useful, which in fact is quite a few. Still, if you could RSVP with any specific dietary preferences that would be super sweet. If we're super fast we might even get to do some plumbing. Got to get that natural gas hookup to the dryer, and hot water pipe in place for the washing machine. Bobby

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Dystopia Watch: Surveillance drones coming to a cafe near you.

by rachel lyra hospodar

(Private response from dan included below) I am not suggesting here that the goal is to neutralize the voice, but to obfuscate its meaning, to nearby microphones. If there are many sounds fitting the pattern of the user's voice, then perhaps the technology mr. Howell mentions would have a harder time 'hearing' the conversation's actual content in a useful way? Our brains are excellent at pattern recognition & targeted focus, and I guess I am positing here that the gap between their ability to do this, and the software's, is big enough to use. I'm less concerned about establishing completely secure encrypted special-use channels (eg redphone), but more am idly thinking about ways to increase security for day-to-day interactions (redCafe???) ...like doing harm reduction. My experience with activism in our modern surveillance state is that, while a small group can be trained to be truly information secure, this is only really possible for specific highly covert projects, and it generates behavior anomalous enough to be its own red flag. Generally speaking you have to interact with people in their terms, in public or 'normal' ways, to reach them. The conversations I expect people will be crucified for are not the truly secret ones. Running a device like this in cafes would be a hilarious way to do outreach about Big Brother. Many people have no idea of the extent of what is already possible. R. On Mar 5, 2013 11:47 AM, "Daniel Finlay" <namelessdan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > To truly neutralize a sound the inverted copy of the sound needs to be perfectly lined up with the original sound in relation to the target microphone. (It's impractical for general use. Besides, if it worked the way you're imagining, we wouldn't be able to hear each other) > > > On Mar 5, 2013, at 11:34 AM, rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> What if everyone carried a device that captured what they were saying and replayed it, layered along with other recordings of their own voice? >> >> Or we could hold all of our meetings without devices, in the fields and mountains, with birdsong our walls and the sky as our roof. >> >> On Mar 5, 2013 11:22 AM, "Matthew D. Howell" <matthewdhowell(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> @Rachel The state of the technology for recognizing and separating >>> patterns in audio is advanced enough to overcome that sort of thing. >>> Every person's voice has a distinct signature that can be recognized. >>> I would venture a guess that some kind of encrypted digital signal >>> transmission would be the best way to keep any sonic communication >>> private in the most extreme of situations. (most interested party with >>> the best technology at their disposal) >>> – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – >8 >>> /V\ /-\ + + |–| ø \/\/ ∂ £ £ >>> ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– >>> Matthew D. Howell >>> misterinterrupt, tHe M4d swiTcH, the RuinMechanic >>> cell: (617) 755-1481 >>> ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, rachel lyra hospodar >>> <rachelyra(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Wouldn't it need to be non-commercially available music, so they couldn't >>> > just find the audio data of the track, invert its wave, and cancel it out of >>> > the recording? >>> > >>> > CACOPHONY FOR THE REVOLUTION! >>> > >>> > mediumreality.com >>> > >>> > On Mar 5, 2013 10:23 AM, "Steve Berl" <steveberl(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> You could carry a boombox around playing loud music where ever you go. >>> >> Perhaps this would be the end of earbuds. :-) >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Anthony Di Franco < di.franco(a)gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> People have rendered surveillance cameras useless with very bright IR >>> >>> LEDs in their fields of view. >>> >>> Could something similar be done for sound recording devices? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2013 6:17 AM, "Anon195714" <anon195714(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Yo's- >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Something I forgot to add re. DARPA's desire for universal recording of >>> >>>> face-to-face conversations. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> What's the ideal device for doing all that recording? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> How'bout something you wear? How'bout something that "everyone" wears?, >>> >>>> or even a significant fraction of "everyone"? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Like maybe Google Glasses. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Always on, camera and mic always "connected" to "the cloud." Orwell's >>> >>>> telescreen gone mobile. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Everyone who wears them will become, in effect, _unpaid surveillance >>> >>>> drones_ watching their family and friends, not from up in the sky, but >>> >>>> from up close where every word can be heard. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Some will say "oh, there's no stopping technology." People said that >>> >>>> about the atomic bomb and the hydrogen bomb. But public outcry led >>> >>>> first to treaties and then to progressive degrees of nuclear >>> >>>> disarmament. We haven't used that technology since it was first used in >>> >>>> WW2. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> We can stop pernicious tech if we choose. We can refuse, we can >>> >>>> withdraw consent, we do not have to press the Buy button. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Technology should liberate and empower people. "Conveniences with a few >>> >>>> strings attached" are not liberation, they're puppet-strings. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> It's all about control: technology that you can control, vs. technology >>> >>>> that can control you. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -G. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ===== >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 13-03-05-Tue 1:50 AM, Anon195714 wrote: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > Yo's- >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > This just in: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > "DARPA wants to make [voice recognition/transcription] systems so >>> >>>> > accurate, you’ll be able to easily record, transcribe and recall all >>> >>>> > the >>> >>>> > conversations you ever have. ... Imagine living in a world where every >>> >>>> > errant utterance you make is preserved forever. ... DARPA [awarded >>> >>>> > U.Texas comp sci researcher Matt Lease]... $300,000... over two years >>> >>>> > to >>> >>>> > study the new project, called “Blending Crowdsourcing with Automation >>> >>>> > for Fast, Cheap, and Accurate Analysis of Spontaneous Speech.”" >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > "The idea is that business meetings or even conversations with your >>> >>>> > friends and family could be stored in archives and easily searched. >>> >>>> > The >>> >>>> > stored recordings could be held in servers, owned either by >>> >>>> > individuals >>> >>>> > or their employers. ... The answer, Lease says, is in widespread use >>> >>>> > of >>> >>>> > recording technologies like smartphones, cameras and audio >>> >>>> > recorders... >>> >>>> > [A] memorandum from the Congressional Research Service described [an >>> >>>> > earlier DARPA project of this type known as] EARS, as focusing on >>> >>>> > speech >>> >>>> > picked up from broadcasts and telephone conversations, “as well as >>> >>>> > extract clues about the identity of speakers” for “the military, >>> >>>> > intelligence and law enforcement communities.”" >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/03/darpa-speech/ (Yes, "real >>> >>>> > geeks >>> >>>> > don't read Wired," but nonetheless its news pages are useful for >>> >>>> > keeping >>> >>>> > a finger on the pulse of Big Brother and his corporate Brethren.) >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > In short: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > DARPA is researching the means by which every conversation you have, >>> >>>> > in-person, whether at work or with family or friends, gets picked up >>> >>>> > by >>> >>>> > the mic in your smartphone or other portable device, and stored on a >>> >>>> > server, where DARPA's algorithms and human editors turn all of it into >>> >>>> > fast-searchable text, that could be used by your employer, the >>> >>>> > military, >>> >>>> > law enforcement, and intel agencies. Presumably the credit bureaus, >>> >>>> > insurance companies, and financial institutions will want "in" on the >>> >>>> > data as well. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > Now connect that with this, about cell-site tracking and call detail >>> >>>> > records: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > "The government maintained [that] Americans have no expectation of >>> >>>> > privacy of such cell-site records [call detail records or CDR] because >>> >>>> > they are in the possession of a third party — the mobile phone >>> >>>> > companies." >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/gps-drug-dealer-retrial/ >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > The key point is that the gov's current position is that data stored >>> >>>> > on >>> >>>> > a third party's servers have "no expectation of privacy." What begins >>> >>>> > with CDR will eventually include voicemail messages stored on the >>> >>>> > mobile >>> >>>> > phone companies' servers, and then eventually all of your live >>> >>>> > in-person >>> >>>> > conversations that are stored "in the cloud." >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > "Anything you say can and will be used against you..." Mark my words. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > Meanwhile people keep using gmail and Google Voice, and smartphones >>> >>>> > from >>> >>>> > which they can't remove the batteries. Because nothing is more >>> >>>> > important >>> >>>> > than "convenience," right? >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > As a character in a sci-fi piece I wrote in the mid-1980s said, "Why >>> >>>> > put >>> >>>> > a person in prison, when you can put prison in the person instead?" >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > -G. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> > sudo-discuss mailing list >>> >>>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> >>>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> -steve >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > sudo-discuss mailing list >>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >

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sudoroom door! help!

by hol＠gaskill.com

Can someone please PM me the link to open the sudoroom door? i'm inside the building, just need to get inside the room. Thanks! Hol (resending under correct subject line) _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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Microcontroller hacking tomorrow night?

by hol＠gaskill.com

Anybody want to do some microcontroller tinkering tomorrow night? Would like to figure out how to interface arduinoRPi. Also going to continue work on using Processing http://processing.org/exhibition/ to communicate with microcontrollers. Lots of power when you combine a few of these basic tools... Cheers, Hol

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there's a membership page on sudoroom.org

by Tommy York

We just collaboratively designed it in Sudoroom (w00t kopimism), much thanks to Matt for designing the Google doc form. Comments appreciated. ----------------- Thomas Riley York (杨德民) 510.926.0510 http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork

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Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 5, Issue 4

by Cyrus Farivar

FWIW, here's the LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lockpick-20130302,0,454000.story -C -- Cyrus Farivar "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) On Saturday, March 2, 2013 at 3:22 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: It's Unconscionable (Anca Mosoiu) > 2. Re: It's Unconscionable (rusty lindgren) > 3. thunderbolt video cards (rusty lindgren) > 4. Re: Friday Filosophy: Software as Speech (Steve Berl) > 5. Re: Friday Filosophy: Software as Speech (Eddan) > 6. Yelp Locksmiths Greatest Hits Vol. 1 (rusty lindgren) > 7. Re: It's Unconscionable (Daniel Finlay) > 8. Re: Yelp Locksmiths Greatest Hits Vol. 1 (Andrew) > 9. Re: It's Unconscionable (Eddan) > 10. Re: It's Unconscionable (rusty lindgren) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 23:27:54 -0800 > From: Anca Mosoiu <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)> > To: Michael Scroggins <michaeljscroggins(a)gmail.com (mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com)> > Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)>, eddan(a)eddan.com (mailto:eddan@eddan.com) > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] It's Unconscionable > Message-ID: > <CALDsrHjzKjQAwAs-X5QMP8e+e0_w+ejxFaZJec_P1tS9a_invQ(a)mail.gmail.com (mailto:CALDsrHjzKjQAwAs-X5QMP8e+e0_w+ejxFaZJec_P1tS9a_invQ@mail.gmail.com)> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Michael Scroggins < > michaeljscroggins(a)gmail.com (mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > > The sentence implicitly draws a difference of kind between the lock > > picking class and the other Workshop Weekend classes. Doing so invites the > > question: What is the difference that makes broadcasting this workshop (in > > the way it was) regrettable? In an environment where the mayor, the chief > > of police and the media have all given the same answer - the class breeds > > criminals - allowing that question is regrettable. > > > > > It's regrettable because it gave some easy pickings for the people who want > to portray Oakland, and the current administration, in a certain way. Many > of the people who are upset about the workshop aren't upset about > lockpicking, they're upset that Jean Quan appears to encourage crime in her > newsletter. > > It's regrettable because it sucked up airwaves and mental effort that might > have been better spent. > > Drafting a reasoned and reasonable response lowers the blood pressure of > the people who are up in arms just because they aren't informed. Some of > them will come around, especially if they understand the actual intent of > the class. > > Eddan, I'd like to participate in writing a statement. I was really taken > aback when I read some of the emails and talked to some of the people who > were actually upset. > > The media storm will blow over with the next foot-in-mouth opportunity from > a local politician, but we have a great opportunity to reach out while the > world is looking. > > Anca. > > > -- > -=-=-=- > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal > anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com) > M: (510) 220-6660 > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal (http://facebook.com/techliminal) >

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Yelp Locksmiths Greatest Hits Vol. 1

by rusty lindgren

1. *"These mother fuckers should burn in hell. *Quit scamming people. You'd make more money actually being nice honest and helping more people that like your business instead of charging a shit load for 1 customer and losing 27490291. 2. "...The guy shows up in literally 10 minutes, pops open the door in about 30 seconds and then charges me $100 for the "labor" because opening a door is a $100 charge. WTF... Such bullshit. *Two stars for him being super speedy though.*" 3. *"Since my cat was inside crying and needing to be fed*- I told him I would pay $200 for him to unlock it or I was going to call someone else. He ended up drilling the lock out and then wanting to charge another $190 to replace it. *Preying on desperate people in bad situations.*" 4. "When he got here he said it would be 29 dollars service fee and 100 to pick the lock, he spent exactly 30 seconds trying to pick the lock, said it was unpickable and went to his car to get a drill and another lock to replace it. Took him may be 15 minutes to drill and replace the lock then he handed me a bill for 258 dollars. I said how could something that jtook under 30 minutes with very little effort cost so much. *He didn't care, just took my credit card and charged it."* 5. IF I COULD GIVE THEM NEGATIVE STARS I WOULD NOT HESITATE! *This is my first review and I actually made a yelp account just to save anyone from falling into their scam* they call a business. 6. They call themselves locksmiths, but that is a joke. They completely busted our font door lock (to the point that the handle was hanging loosely off the door and no long worked to keep the door closed), then proceeded to charge (and demand!) $150 for the "service." *I could have gotten in a lot quicker and cheaper by borrowing a neighbor's hammer!* -Rusty

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thunderbolt video cards

by rusty lindgren

Anyone done this on mac or linux(link below)? Would be cool to just send rendering jobs over thunderbolt... would be even cooler if I could build the pci-board set up myself, rather than spend a lot on this set-up. http://9to5mac.com/2012/12/11/mlogics-mlink-thunderbolt-expansion-chassis-n… -Rusty **

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Art Murmur This Evening!

by Marina Kukso

Hi everyone, Just a reminder that we'll be having art murmur this evening at sudo room. Coyote counter collective will be there from 7-10pm repping art, designs, and photos from a dozen different artists -including laser etched stuff! mediumreality.com We may also have a visit from Masahiro and his brain interface machine once again! As Jenny mentioned, we have been asked by George and Laurie to close up shop by 11PM, so join us early for art, socialization, and hacking! - Marina

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get some sudo stuff this weekend at OMCA white elephant sale?

by Matthew Senate

http://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/omca-white-elephant-sale/?instance_id=51404 // Matt

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It's Unconscionable

by Eddan

Now, this requires a response. Has anybody started drafting something? If not, I will. ... Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&…> was not pleased. "I'm in shock that people would provide a class to teach people a skill to violate the law," Jordan said. "It's unconscionable." Lock-pick instructor Michael Fitzhugh<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&…> is a member of TOOOL (The Open Organisation Of Lockpickers<http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&…>), a Netherlands-based outfit that teaches and holds national and international lock-picking events annually. In their world, lock picking is done for sport and bragging rights. But, he says, it's also a useful tool if you lock yourself out of your home. Jordan has a more conventional solution to that problem: "Call a locksmith!" http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Quan-s-wrong-note-on-lock-picking-cla… Even worse than Quan, this guy's so desperate to change the subject about the incompetence of the OPD in news story after news story. Unconscionable!?! This coming from a police department that was about to go into an unprecedented federal receivership for its failure to reform; not to mention a police department seared with a global reputation for brutality, racism, and excessive means; and whose fundamental miscalculations and mismanagement of the response to Occupy cost the city millions of dollars.

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Minor Physical Rearrangement

by hol＠gaskill.com

Hi Folks, First off, I'm glad we have so many people who are proactive in generating a response to the state-sponsored dumbfuckery. I have enjoyed the lively discussion since opening my inbox :) In more mundane news, last night Jack and I organized the shop area of sudo room in preparation for some CNC milling, and in the process I went kind of crazy rearranging things in and adjacent to the shop. I prioritized respecting other active projects over achieving ship-shape of course, and I hope I didn't disturb anybody's ongoing projects or create off-nominal feng-shui in the process. Below is an approximate change log SHOP AREA (2 benches, 2 coffee tables, 1 chair) -set up the CNC equipment in compact and functional configuration -constructed arm to hang CNC motor and store clamps -moved all corded tools to a quad-milk crate cubby (including heat gun) -cut a hole in one workbench for cords to concentrate cordless tool battery charging station -moved soldering irons over to window area for proper ventilation (where is the solder? and the solder flux? i brought a big tub of flux in a while back) -moved the folding typewriter stand to the bike area for better tool access there -rearranged various tools to be more compact -designated a jar for drill bits and driver bits -designated a bin for all fasteners/drywall anchors etc -labeled the misc hardware bucket -concentrated safety equipment in one area to do: get hooks for pegboard, hang more tools and trace outlines, add more hearing protection to safety equip, more lasers, more metal, 3D print a shop vac nozzle that mounts to the spindle head instead of clamping thank you for all those who constructed all the benches! i was all talk on that project... BIKE & MISC PROJECT AREA (1 bench, 1 bike stand, 1 typewriter stand) -moved some bike stuff onto typewriter stand for easier access -concentrated induction metallurgy equipment neatly under bench -assembled n-1 soldering irons, still need to hack a fan to exhaust out window during heavy soldering -moved coffee roaster and coffee machine to top of big fridge, heat gun to corded tools area, tripod to camera area in storage hallway to do: add ventilation and soldering consumables area, maybe add a shelf for more project storage, overhead/hanging storage for bulkier future bike components major to-do: construct a tower for brewing/storing beer equipment??? LONG TABLE -removed trash... -sorted some misc hardware -moved bag of electronic components to bookshelf next to other bag of electronic components -moved some stuff to upper tier to clear table -put one soldering iron by the oscilloscope for light/quick soldering not requiring ventilation to do: chain more power strips together for infinite energy Also moved the 2 desks in the back corner toward the wall just to assist in flow around long table...didn't seem like the optimum solution but both are still sittable. Also QR'd the shit out of various objects. I hope I didn't cause anyone a headache searching for stuff, I just wanted to get the shop in usable condition and wound up going into a whirlwind figuring it would be good to have the place a little more organized prior to art murmur. Cheers, Hol

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Fwd: URGENT TO ALL TENANTS!!! First Friday Tomorrow Night....URGENT....PLEASE READ CAREFULLY

by Jenny Ryan

Notice from the landlord regarding tomorrow's First Friday event and new guidelines posted by the City of Oakland. TL;DR: -Laurie and George (the landlords) are asking that meetings disperse by 11pm, and that all doors be locked. -OPD will be setting up a mobile command post on Telegraph & W Grand -No First Friday events allowed south of W Grand -Event ends at 9pm with a moment of silence ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> Date: Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:17 PM Subject: URGENT TO ALL TENANTS!!! First Friday Tomorrow Night....URGENT....PLEASE READ CAREFULLY To: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/how-the-black-bloc-occupied-oakland/Co ntent?oid=3036670 The flier above (pdf) are guidelines for tomorrow night's First Friday Event in lieu of expected potential violence from the group listed in the web site above. Apparently at sites (unknown to me) this black bloc group has been advocating that people come out en mass and cause trouble after First Friday is over. We are asking that groups meeting in the building disburse by 11pm and that all doors, esp. doors to Broadway, 22nd Street and the Alley behind out of 2135, as well as the gate into the front entrance of 2135, be securely locked by this time. George will be there at that time to convince all to leave the building and he will secure it. Groups or individuals not adhering to this warning and coming back to the building after that time may find themselves responsible not only for damages to their persons but damage done to the building or others. This is a serious issue; even the Security Ambassadors are being asked to go home by midnight for their own personal safety, and there is no expectation that the police will have enough personnel on the streets should this get out of hand. Many of you were not there a few years ago during the (Oscar Grant) riots....it was not pretty, and there WAS damage to our property. Trouble is NOT expected early in the evening. Enjoy yourselves, but try to monitor alcohol consumption (your own and those around you) for the safety of all tomorrow evening...and get home early....and SAFELY! Laurie & George

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Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 212

by Cyrus Farivar

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/oakland-mayor-apologizes-for-pro… -- Cyrus Farivar "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 211 (Cyrus Farivar) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:16:44 -0800 > From: Cyrus Farivar <cfarivar(a)gmail.com (mailto:cfarivar@gmail.com)> > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 211 > Message-ID: <058F1A7272C64F069631C24D0A06989C(a)gmail.com (mailto:058F1A7272C64F069631C24D0A06989C@gmail.com)> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Matt, can I quote you in the piece? > > -- > Cyrus Farivar > "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" > > Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) > Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) > US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar > "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." > cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 1:15 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote: > > > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 (J.D. Zamfirescu) > > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Matthew D. Howell) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:12:42 -0800 > > From: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire(a)gmail.com (mailto:zamfire@gmail.com)> > > To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)> > > Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 > > Message-ID: > > <CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A(a)mail.gmail.com (mailto:CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A@mail.gmail.com)> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > > Agreed with Matt. As TOOOL says, understanding how locks work (and what > > their vulnerabilities are) helps everyone make smarter decisions about > > physical security. > > > > Might be worth mentioning that very few burglaries involve picked locks; > > it's too easy to throw a brick through a window instead. > > > > Also, for the record, the workshop is full at 20 participants. > > > > J.D. > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>wrote: > > > > > Hey Cyrus, > > > > > > I think putting lock-picking in a larger context (up to globally) will > > > help folks understand that this is a helpful and inquisitive practice that, > > > for instance, helps improve security through experience and knowledge of > > > security systems like locks. This statement is obvious to the security / > > > hacker community, but not obvious to many others. For me personally, when I > > > was living in a student cooperative, I needed to unlock a filing cabinet I > > > bought used that came without a key. I watched a Youtube video of a > > > 14-year-old who showed me how to do it with (I believe something like) an > > > aluminum can and a paperclip. That was very helpful, and also exposed me to > > > the reality that simple locks provide a nominal layer of security (just > > > pulling open), but almost always have available exploits. I wouldn't put > > > things I wanted to keep completely secure in that filing cabinet--but I > > > would put things I didn't want to easily walk away. > > > > > > That being said, it is also important to note that this is one (I believe > > > ~30 people, sold out) of many workshops to be held over the weekend in > > > Oakland for http://workshopweekend.net/, and one of many events that > > > happen at sudo room. Sudo-hosted events range from coding meetups > > > http://www.meetup.com/EBJavaScript/ and informal learning sessions > > > http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned to local community organizing > > > http://communitydemocracyproject.org/ and nerds who care about the > > > environment http://nerdsfornature.org/. See more on our calendar > > > http://sudoroom.org/calendar/ and come down this Friday during Art > > > Murmur. > > > > > > // Matt > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Cyrus Farivar <cfarivar(a)gmail.com (mailto:cfarivar@gmail.com)>wrote: > > > > > > > FWIW?I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on > > > > the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has > > > > long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can > > > > include/add it. > > > > > > > > -C > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Cyrus Farivar > > > > "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" > > > > > > > > Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) > > > > Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) > > > > US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar > > > > "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the > > > > Internet." > > > > cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM, > > > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote: > > > > > > > > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > > > 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > > 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) > > > > 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > > 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak) > > > > 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett) > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800 > > > > From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)> > > > > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class > > > > Message-ID: <512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net (mailto:512FA05C.7070407@clear.net)> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > > > > > > It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that > > > > can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog > > > > post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of > > > > Jean Quan to not even look into it. > > > > > > > > In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the > > > > act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge. > > > > There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd > > > > want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of > > > > locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to > > > > know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are > > > > authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify > > > > that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach > > > > people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by > > > > no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes. > > > > > > > > We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles > > > > before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about > > > > it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little > > > > more fair and balanced reporting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote: > > > > > > > > more: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com) > > > > <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > It's awesome, free press! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren > > > > <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com<rustylindgren(a)gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com)>>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of > > > > "journalism" I have ever seen. > > > > > > > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking > > > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is > > > > just a cheaper version of that? (see: > > > > http://www.lock411.com/training.html). > > > > > > > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled > > > > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. > > > > > > > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go > > > > to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about > > > > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling". > > > > > > > > -Rusty > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu > > > > <anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that > > > > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend. > > > > > > > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 > > > > > > > > Here is Oakland Local's response: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… > > > > > > > > Anca > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -=-=-=- > > > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal > > > > anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>> > > > > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660> > > > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: > > > > facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Rusty Lindgren > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 211

by Cyrus Farivar

Matt, can I quote you in the piece? -- Cyrus Farivar "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 1:15 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 (J.D. Zamfirescu) > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Matthew D. Howell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:12:42 -0800 > From: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire(a)gmail.com (mailto:zamfire@gmail.com)> > To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)> > Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 > Message-ID: > <CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A(a)mail.gmail.com (mailto:CAO5ydeE3UzKM27HvXKLfGpoHBpRHmi7K8sd47evaGq8_d4HD4A@mail.gmail.com)> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Agreed with Matt. As TOOOL says, understanding how locks work (and what > their vulnerabilities are) helps everyone make smarter decisions about > physical security. > > Might be worth mentioning that very few burglaries involve picked locks; > it's too easy to throw a brick through a window instead. > > Also, for the record, the workshop is full at 20 participants. > > J.D. > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>wrote: > > > Hey Cyrus, > > > > I think putting lock-picking in a larger context (up to globally) will > > help folks understand that this is a helpful and inquisitive practice that, > > for instance, helps improve security through experience and knowledge of > > security systems like locks. This statement is obvious to the security / > > hacker community, but not obvious to many others. For me personally, when I > > was living in a student cooperative, I needed to unlock a filing cabinet I > > bought used that came without a key. I watched a Youtube video of a > > 14-year-old who showed me how to do it with (I believe something like) an > > aluminum can and a paperclip. That was very helpful, and also exposed me to > > the reality that simple locks provide a nominal layer of security (just > > pulling open), but almost always have available exploits. I wouldn't put > > things I wanted to keep completely secure in that filing cabinet--but I > > would put things I didn't want to easily walk away. > > > > That being said, it is also important to note that this is one (I believe > > ~30 people, sold out) of many workshops to be held over the weekend in > > Oakland for http://workshopweekend.net/, and one of many events that > > happen at sudo room. Sudo-hosted events range from coding meetups > > http://www.meetup.com/EBJavaScript/ and informal learning sessions > > http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned to local community organizing > > http://communitydemocracyproject.org/ and nerds who care about the > > environment http://nerdsfornature.org/. See more on our calendar > > http://sudoroom.org/calendar/ and come down this Friday during Art > > Murmur. > > > > // Matt > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Cyrus Farivar <cfarivar(a)gmail.com (mailto:cfarivar@gmail.com)>wrote: > > > > > FWIW?I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on > > > the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has > > > long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can > > > include/add it. > > > > > > -C > > > > > > -- > > > Cyrus Farivar > > > "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" > > > > > > Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) > > > Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) > > > US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar > > > "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the > > > Internet." > > > cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) > > > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM, > > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote: > > > > > > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) > > > 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > > > 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak) > > > 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800 > > > From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)> > > > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class > > > Message-ID: <512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net (mailto:512FA05C.7070407@clear.net)> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > > > > It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that > > > can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog > > > post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of > > > Jean Quan to not even look into it. > > > > > > In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the > > > act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge. > > > There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd > > > want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of > > > locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to > > > know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are > > > authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify > > > that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach > > > people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by > > > no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes. > > > > > > We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles > > > before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about > > > it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little > > > more fair and balanced reporting. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote: > > > > > > more: > > > > > > > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com) > > > <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>>> wrote: > > > > > > It's awesome, free press! > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren > > > <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com<rustylindgren(a)gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com)>>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of > > > "journalism" I have ever seen. > > > > > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking > > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is > > > just a cheaper version of that? (see: > > > http://www.lock411.com/training.html). > > > > > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled > > > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. > > > > > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go > > > to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about > > > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling". > > > > > > -Rusty > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu > > > <anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that > > > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend. > > > > > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 > > > > > > Here is Oakland Local's response: > > > > > > > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… > > > > > > Anca > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -=-=-=- > > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal > > > anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>> > > > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660> > > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: > > > facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rusty Lindgren > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > >

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Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208

by Cyrus Farivar

FWIW—I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can include/add it. -C -- Cyrus Farivar "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) > 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz) > 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak) > 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800 > From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)> > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class > Message-ID: <512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net (mailto:512FA05C.7070407@clear.net)> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that > can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog > post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of > Jean Quan to not even look into it. > > In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the > act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge. > There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd > want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of > locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to > know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are > authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify > that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach > people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by > no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes. > > We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles > before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about > it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little > more fair and balanced reporting. > > > > On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote: > > more: > > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com) > > <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > It's awesome, free press! > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren > > <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of > > "journalism" I have ever seen. > > > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is > > just a cheaper version of that? (see: > > http://www.lock411.com/training.html). > > > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled > > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. > > > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go > > to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about > > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling". > > > > -Rusty > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu > > <anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com>> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that > > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend. > > > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 > > > > Here is Oakland Local's response: > > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… > > > > Anca > > > > > > -- > > -=-=-=- > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal > > anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com> > > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660> > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: > > facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > > > Rusty Lindgren > > ** > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > >

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Sudo Room Signage

by Eddan Katz

We should put up signage for Sudo Room on the Broadway side of the building. We've already asked George about whether it would be OK to put it on the arched awning above the 2141 Broadway door and have the go ahead. Apparently, if we use the same white on blue format, there are no additional costs. Other colored designs would require Sudo room being registered with the city & have to take part in paying for insurance for the building (albeit proportional). Does anyone have the tools necessary to make the stencil? Anyone up for painting over the stencil in the bear future? In fact, if it's trivial to do - might make sense to try and get it done by Art Murmur tomorrow night. sent from eddan.com

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Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 206

by Cyrus Farivar

FWIW, the Trib's reporter's email is: martz(a)bayareanewsgroup.com And no, I don't know him. :-) -C -- Cyrus Farivar "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var" Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com) Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com) US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet." cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org) On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 9:40 AM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org) > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (J.D. Zamfirescu) > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anthony Di Franco) > 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) > 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak) > 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) > 6. Membership dues - payment options! (Tommy York) > 7. Sudo Room Signage (Eddan Katz) > 8. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (rusty lindgren) > 9. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (rusty lindgren) > 10. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (hep) > 11. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:31:37 -0800 > From: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire(a)gmail.com (mailto:zamfire@gmail.com)> > To: Tommy York <tommy.york(a)gmail.com (mailto:tommy.york@gmail.com)> > Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)> > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class > Message-ID: > <CAO5ydeEuoT1g2+9orFpy+MN-j9smLfDBeSEQysW976AtFCDBCg(a)mail.gmail.com (mailto:CAO5ydeEuoT1g2+9orFpy+MN-j9smLfDBeSEQysW976AtFCDBCg@mail.gmail.com)> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I called the OPD today to get stats on how many break-ins involve picked > locks. The woman I spoke with was entirely unhelpful, saying something > along the lines of "all break-in methods are comparably common". > > Google searches suggest that ~5-10% of burglaries nationally involve picked > locks. > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Tommy York <tommy.york(a)gmail.com (mailto:tommy.york@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > "OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days > > is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last > > year, and not all of them involved window smashes." > > > > This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved > > window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock > > picking? > > > > Mencken would be angry. > > > > - tommy > > ----------------- > > Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510 > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire(a)gmail.com (mailto:zamfire@gmail.com)>wrote: > > > > > more: > > > > > > > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q… > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>wrote: > > > > > > > It's awesome, free press! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com) > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism" > > > > > I have ever seen. > > > > > > > > > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking > > > > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper > > > > > version of that? (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html). > > > > > > > > > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking, > > > > > because it's a waste of time. > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the > > > > > shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but > > > > > picking a Masterlock is "appalling". > > > > > > > > > > -Rusty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are > > > > > > learning how to pick locks this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047 > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is Oakland Local's response: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning… > > > > > > > > > > > > Anca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > -=-=-=- > > > > > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal > > > > > > anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com) > > > > > > M: (510) 220-6660 > > > > > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal (http://facebook.com/techliminal) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Rusty Lindgren > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org) > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > >

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Membership dues - payment options!

by Tommy York

Hey everyone, Please pay membership dues when you get a chance. I updated the WePay campaign page, so you can again donate money / pay membership dues (with a new total in the percentage widget covering February actual and projected March), and can collect checks whenever you see me. I live two blocks away, so I'm more than happy to just run over if I'm not getting anything done. At the moment, I'm trying to collect all the payment information, so I can develop a member list for February. Paying in advance for March is always nice too. I think we'll be starting a sudo-fund - another, separate sub-listserv - soon, which will discuss ideas for funding Sudoroom. Projects, processes, the like. Unrelated, a DJ'd set by one of the founders of Throbbing Gristle: https://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune/solid-steel-radio-show-15-2 - Tommy ----------------- Thomas Riley York (杨德民) 510.926.0510 http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork

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