13 Mar
2013
13 Mar
'13
10:45 p.m.
We are trying to revise our Articles of Association! Because we try to
do this consensually, we bring changes both AT the meetings, and ON
the mailing lists, as per the existing articles here:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_4.1_Process
At the March 13th meeting, we had a straw poll in on THESE changes:
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association%2FCo…
We voted unanimously in favor of these changes: 7 yes, 0 no, 11
abstaining. But that was only a straw poll. We are going to have a
REAL, BINDING vote on these changes at the March 20th meeting. If
there are no objections meanwhile from this mailing list, and if that
meeting also votes yes, then the OFFICIAL Sudoroom Articles of
Association will then look like this:
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association/Cons…
The intervening week is your opportunity, internet peanut gallery, to
voice any objections, because we care about those not physically
present! Thank you so much for helping make Sudoroom awesome and
consensual. :)
Yardena
14 Mar
14 Mar
12:26 p.m.
On what draft should we make edits and/or comments? Or should these be discussed on this
list in this thread?
sent from eddan.com
On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
We are trying to revise our Articles of Association!
Because we try to
do this consensually, we bring changes both AT the meetings, and ON
the mailing lists, as per the existing articles here:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_4.1_Process
At the March 13th meeting, we had a straw poll in on THESE changes:
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association%2FCo…
We voted unanimously in favor of these changes: 7 yes, 0 no, 11
abstaining. But that was only a straw poll. We are going to have a
REAL, BINDING vote on these changes at the March 20th meeting. If
there are no objections meanwhile from this mailing list, and if that
meeting also votes yes, then the OFFICIAL Sudoroom Articles of
Association will then look like this:
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association/Cons…
The intervening week is your opportunity, internet peanut gallery, to
voice any objections, because we care about those not physically
present! Thank you so much for helping make Sudoroom awesome and
consensual. :)
Yardena
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1:48 p.m.
New subject: REQUEST FOR COMMENT: proposed changes to the Articles of Association!
Please don't edit that draft directly; rather discuss changes on the list
or create a child article from the draft to make your changes on so it is
clear whose changes are whose.
On Mar 14, 2013 12:26 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
On what draft should we make edits and/or comments? Or
should these be
discussed on this list in this thread?
sent from eddan.com
On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
We are trying to revise our Articles of
Association! Because we try to
do this consensually, we bring changes both AT the meetings, and ON
the mailing lists, as per the existing articles here:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_4.1_Process
At the March 13th meeting, we had a straw poll in on THESE changes:
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association%2FCo…
We voted unanimously in favor of these changes: 7 yes, 0 no, 11
abstaining. But that was only a straw poll. We are going to have a
REAL, BINDING vote on these changes at the March 20th meeting. If
there are no objections meanwhile from this mailing list, and if that
meeting also votes yes, then the OFFICIAL Sudoroom Articles of
Association will then look like this:
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association/Cons…
The intervening week is your opportunity, internet peanut gallery, to
voice any objections, because we care about those not physically
present! Thank you so much for helping make Sudoroom awesome and
consensual. :)
Yardena
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3:08 p.m.
New subject: REQUEST FOR COMMENT: proposed changes to the Articles of Association!
Can we just vote on the proposal as is and treat improvements as a separate
proposal? I don't think anyone has serious objections to the current text,
but it isn't perfect; nothing will be perfect. Wouldn't it be better to
have this implemented than to continue to delay the process?
I would encourage continued discussion, but conclusions from that should be
a separate proposal, if only to simplify what we're trying to accomplish
with this process. Do you guys disagree?
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Please don't edit that draft directly; rather
discuss changes on the list
or create a child article from the draft to make your changes on so it is
clear whose changes are whose.
On Mar 14, 2013 12:26 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
On what draft should we make edits and/or
comments? Or should these be
discussed on this list in this thread?
sent from eddan.com
On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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We are trying to revise our Articles of
Association! Because we try to
do this consensually, we bring changes both AT the meetings, and ON
the mailing lists, as per the existing articles here:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_4.1_Process
At the March 13th meeting, we had a straw poll in on THESE changes:
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association%2FCo…
We voted unanimously in favor of these changes: 7 yes, 0 no, 11
abstaining. But that was only a straw poll. We are going to have a
REAL, BINDING vote on these changes at the March 20th meeting. If
there are no objections meanwhile from this mailing list, and if that
meeting also votes yes, then the OFFICIAL Sudoroom Articles of
Association will then look like this:
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association/Cons…
The intervening week is your opportunity, internet peanut gallery, to
voice any objections, because we care about those not physically
present! Thank you so much for helping make Sudoroom awesome and
consensual. :)
Yardena
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3:22 p.m.
New subject: [sudo-announce] REQUEST FOR COMMENT: proposed changes to the Articles of Association!
I agree completely.
On Mar 14, 2013 3:09 PM, "Julio Rios" <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Can we just vote on the proposal as is and treat
improvements as a
separate proposal? I don't think anyone has serious objections to the
current text, but it isn't perfect; nothing will be perfect. Wouldn't it
be better to have this implemented than to continue to delay the process?
I would encourage continued discussion, but conclusions from that should
be a separate proposal, if only to simplify what we're trying to accomplish
with this process. Do you guys disagree?
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Please don't edit that draft directly; rather
discuss changes on the list
or create a child article from the draft to make your changes on so it is
clear whose changes are whose.
On Mar 14, 2013 12:26 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
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On what draft should we make edits and/or
comments? Or should these be
discussed on this list in this thread?
sent from eddan.com
On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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We are trying to revise our Articles of
Association! Because we try to
do this consensually, we bring changes both AT the meetings, and ON
the mailing lists, as per the existing articles here:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_4.1_Process
At the March 13th meeting, we had a straw poll in on THESE changes:
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association%2FCo…
We voted unanimously in favor of these changes: 7 yes, 0 no, 11
abstaining. But that was only a straw poll. We are going to have a
REAL, BINDING vote on these changes at the March 20th meeting. If
there are no objections meanwhile from this mailing list, and if that
meeting also votes yes, then the OFFICIAL Sudoroom Articles of
Association will then look like this:
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association/Cons…
The intervening week is your opportunity, internet peanut gallery, to
voice any objections, because we care about those not physically
present! Thank you so much for helping make Sudoroom awesome and
consensual. :)
Yardena
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6:49 p.m.
New subject: [sudo-announce] REQUEST FOR COMMENT: proposed changes to the Articles of Association!
I agree as well.
In that case though, I am going to withdraw my Mandate Vote proposal because it was
already incorporated in the version of the Articles of Association Yardena sent out. I had
made the change according to the process laid out in the amendments last weekend, when I
emailed the list and followed the instructions to make the changes directly on the wiki.
sent from eddan.com
On Mar 14, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I agree completely.
On Mar 14, 2013 3:09 PM, "Julio Rios" <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Can we just vote on the proposal as is and treat improvements as a separate proposal?
I don't think anyone has serious objections to the current text, but it isn't
perfect; nothing will be perfect. Wouldn't it be better to have this implemented than
to continue to delay the process?
>
> I would encourage continued discussion, but conclusions from that should be a
separate proposal, if only to simplify what we're trying to accomplish with this
process. Do you guys disagree?
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>> Please don't edit that draft directly; rather discuss changes on the list or
create a child article from the draft to make your changes on so it is clear whose changes
are whose.
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2013 12:26 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
>>> On what draft should we make edits and/or comments? Or should these be
discussed on this list in this thread?
>>>
>>>
>>> sent from eddan.com
>>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> > We are trying to revise our Articles of Association! Because we try to
>>> > do this consensually, we bring changes both AT the meetings, and ON
>>> > the mailing lists, as per the existing articles here:
>>> >
>>> > https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_4.1_Process
>>> >
>>> > At the March 13th meeting, we had a straw poll in on THESE changes:
>>> >
>>> >
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association%2FCo…
>>> >
>>> > We voted unanimously in favor of these changes: 7 yes, 0 no, 11
>>> > abstaining. But that was only a straw poll. We are going to have a
>>> > REAL, BINDING vote on these changes at the March 20th meeting. If
>>> > there are no objections meanwhile from this mailing list, and if that
>>> > meeting also votes yes, then the OFFICIAL Sudoroom Articles of
>>> > Association will then look like this:
>>> >
>>> >
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association/Cons…
>>> >
>>> > The intervening week is your opportunity, internet peanut gallery, to
>>> > voice any objections, because we care about those not physically
>>> > present! Thank you so much for helping make Sudoroom awesome and
>>> > consensual. :)
>>> >
>>> > Yardena
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > sudo-discuss mailing list
>>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>> _______________________________________________
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7:01 p.m.
New subject: [sudo-announce] REQUEST FOR COMMENT: proposed changes to the Articles of Association!
As per this suggestion:
"Please feel free to propose alterations to the Articles of Association by
creating a new child page, such as was done with Articles of
Association/Draft <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association/Draft>
!"
I reverted this edit and instead created a working draft for Eddan:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association/Eddan
Thanks for throwing it up there Eddan, really helpful to have a clean place
for these changes so we can learn to improve our Articles.
// Matt
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
I agree as well.
In that case though, I am going to withdraw my Mandate Vote proposal
because it was already incorporated in the version of the Articles of
Association Yardena sent out. I had made the change according to the
process laid out in the amendments last weekend, when I emailed the list
and followed the instructions to make the changes directly on the wiki.
sent from eddan.com
On Mar 14, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree completely.
On Mar 14, 2013 3:09 PM, "Julio Rios" <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Can we just vote on the proposal as is and treat
improvements as a
separate proposal? I don't think anyone has serious objections to the
current text, but it isn't perfect; nothing will be perfect. Wouldn't it
be better to have this implemented than to continue to delay the process?
I would encourage continued discussion, but conclusions from that should
be a separate proposal, if only to simplify what we're trying to accomplish
with this process. Do you guys disagree?
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
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Please don't edit that draft directly; rather
discuss changes on the
list or create a child article from the draft to make your changes on so it
is clear whose changes are whose.
On Mar 14, 2013 12:26 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
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On what draft should we make edits and/or
comments? Or should these be
discussed on this list in this thread?
sent from eddan.com
On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> We are trying to revise our Articles of Association! Because we try to
> do this consensually, we bring changes both AT the meetings, and ON
> the mailing lists, as per the existing articles here:
>
>
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_4.1_Process
>
> At the March 13th meeting, we had a straw poll in on THESE changes:
>
>
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association%2FCo…
>
> We voted unanimously in favor of these changes: 7 yes, 0 no, 11
> abstaining. But that was only a straw poll. We are going to have a
> REAL, BINDING vote on these changes at the March 20th meeting. If
> there are no objections meanwhile from this mailing list, and if that
> meeting also votes yes, then the OFFICIAL Sudoroom Articles of
> Association will then look like this:
>
>
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association/Cons…
>
> The intervening week is your opportunity, internet peanut gallery, to
> voice any objections, because we care about those not physically
> present! Thank you so much for helping make Sudoroom awesome and
> consensual. :)
>
> Yardena
> _______________________________________________
> sudo-discuss mailing list
> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
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7:18 p.m.
New subject: [sudo-announce] REQUEST FOR COMMENT: proposed changes to the Articles of Association!
So we're voting on the diff page or the Articles of Association page? I've
noticed some serious differences between them.
And if we're voting on the Articles of Association page, shouldn't all the
changes that have been made to the document, that are different than what
the diff is, be reverted too?
I'm having trouble figuring out what changes over the past week are
authorized, and by whom. Other than Matt.
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
As per this suggestion:
"Please feel free to propose alterations to the Articles of Association by
creating a new child page, such as was done with Articles of
Association/Draft<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association/Draf…
!"
I reverted this edit and instead created a working draft for Eddan:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association/Eddan
Thanks for throwing it up there Eddan, really helpful to have a clean
place for these changes so we can learn to improve our Articles.
// Matt
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
I agree as well.
In that case though, I am going to withdraw my Mandate Vote proposal
because it was already incorporated in the version of the Articles of
Association Yardena sent out. I had made the change according to the
process laid out in the amendments last weekend, when I emailed the list
and followed the instructions to make the changes directly on the wiki.
sent from eddan.com
On Mar 14, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree completely.
On Mar 14, 2013 3:09 PM, "Julio Rios" <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Can we just vote on the proposal as is and treat
improvements as a
separate proposal? I don't think anyone has serious objections to the
current text, but it isn't perfect; nothing will be perfect. Wouldn't it
be better to have this implemented than to continue to delay the process?
I would encourage continued discussion, but conclusions from that should
be a separate proposal, if only to simplify what we're trying to accomplish
with this process. Do you guys disagree?
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
_______________________________________________
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Please don't edit that draft directly; rather
discuss changes on the
list or create a child article from the draft to make your changes on so it
is clear whose changes are whose.
On Mar 14, 2013 12:26 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
> On what draft should we make edits and/or comments? Or should these be
> discussed on this list in this thread?
>
>
> sent from eddan.com
>
> On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:45 PM, Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > We are trying to revise our Articles of Association! Because we try
> to
> > do this consensually, we bring changes both AT the meetings, and ON
> > the mailing lists, as per the existing articles here:
> >
> >
> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_4.1_Process
> >
> > At the March 13th meeting, we had a straw poll in on THESE changes:
> >
> >
>
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association%2FCo…
> >
> > We voted unanimously in favor of these changes: 7 yes, 0 no, 11
> > abstaining. But that was only a straw poll. We are going to have a
> > REAL, BINDING vote on these changes at the March 20th meeting. If
> > there are no objections meanwhile from this mailing list, and if that
> > meeting also votes yes, then the OFFICIAL Sudoroom Articles of
> > Association will then look like this:
> >
> >
>
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association/Cons…
> >
> > The intervening week is your opportunity, internet peanut gallery, to
> > voice any objections, because we care about those not physically
> > present! Thank you so much for helping make Sudoroom awesome and
> > consensual. :)
> >
> > Yardena
> > _______________________________________________
> > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> _______________________________________________
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>
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