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Fwd: Children/Security/Janitorial issues.....

by Matthew Senate

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> Date: Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:03 PM Subject: RE: Children/Security/Janitorial issues..... To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> Hi Matthew…**** I think a meeting would be best because there are so many issues. I agree that the confrontation was bad, and that George has a problem when something hurts him deeply. Hopefully those who know him understand that he has a huge heart, and repays kindness with kindness, but has a hard time handling any type of abuse relating to people, animals or the building, and he simply can’t control his emotions and what he says when a violent incident occurs that is uncalled for. Accusations were not made at a particular person but there was ranting about the lack of control in the evenings and lack of responsibility/training/accountability for those using the premises that allowed this to happen, and in that he was righteous. **** The problem boils down to the security in the building. Doors are being left open in the evening and are not being monitored. People not affiliated with the group having an event can enter, hide, and do what they want later (which only by INCREDIBLE luck has not been grand theft thus far). We won’t be able to continue the late hours and will have to shut the building down after a certain time in the evening UNLESS we have a direct responsible person on-site that is trustworthy, has his/her own security code, and is fully conversant with the shutting down procedures and who also knows which doors should be shut (and when) throughout the entire 2141 floor during the evening. It’s not ok for The Sudo Room (or the Public School) to leave it to the last member staying late to shut down and monitor what is happening in the building if that person is not trained and knowledgeable and does not have his/her own security code.**** Sometimes people in 2141 leave the door from the office corridor to the bathrooms open when they should not. This has never been a problem until recently, when traffic started coming in from the rear door. In the past all traffic came in from the front door. The person in charge should make sure that the rear door from the bathrooms into that corridor is always locked throughout the evening.**** We have fixed the lock on the 22nd St. entrance so there should no longer be a reason to keep that door open during non-business hours (during business hours when certain hair stylists are there it might be kept open, because the stylists can’t use your security buzz-in system….something that should be rectified and would help building security IMMENSELY. I have also noticed that even when not being buzzed in the elevator is always accessible…something that should not be the case). **** We are now getting calls up until as late as 3am on a fairly regular basis (one at 3am this past weekend—usually more like until 11:30 on weekdays and 12-12:30am on weekends), and it is almost at the point where we are throwing our hands up and saying “don’t send the police” at a time when it is possible that a robbery COULD be in process or the building could be open to theft in the middle of the night, because we don’t know who is in charge or who to call at that hour. **** For our part, we need to put in more cameras in a couple of places, although I will draw the line at having them in a restroom stall. We met the gentleman who was likely the last person there the night of the awful event, and we believe that although his group was not directly responsible, he did say that nobody checked the restrooms before leaving, which should not have been the case. For both security and for those that arrive in the morning, we are now asking that after every evening group meets that the restrooms be checked, excess trash disposed of and paper towels/toilet paper replaced as needed. We have never been responsible for cleanup after events and since what has been happening there has been way beyond normal usage, we ask that you get together with the Public School to purchase some extra toilet paper/paper towels to keep on hand and to make sure that the restrooms are clean, stocked and ready for use when folks arrive in the a.m. The person in charge for the evening (see more on that below) should be in charge of that (janitorial/security) aspect as well. We will continue to come in late afternoons to take care of trash that builds up during the daytime. In order for this to happen we will ask on every evening if your groups have people there after 9pm that we have the name/phone number of the person on the premises who will be closing up and whom we can contact in case of security issues. It is possible for you (and a couple of others from The Sudo Room & Public School as designated by us) to be able to give people temporary codes for the security system if a person is trained but will not have access to the building on a regular basis. The responsible people may give out “one time” security codes as needed, with the ability to call those codes in directly to Sonitrol (you would use your own passcode when calling them, and then give them the name of the temporary person and temporary passcode) as the responsible person allowed to give out additional temporary codes. **** Also, George had me take care of the recycling on Saturday while he was dealing with the restroom incident. We should not have to be doing that. It took at least an hour to sort through the massive amount of glass to make sure that the insides of the bottles were cleaned out and that the plastic and glass (recyclable) was separated from the cans (which are returned for deposit). In that mess was also a modicum of some gross garbage that found its way into the recycling. We ask that this be done for us (glass-plastic separated, washed, into one set of plastic bags, and clean rinsed aluminum cans into another) and we will be happy to continue to haul them away, unless you prefer to haul them away yourselves—at this time the aluminum cans bring in a small amount of money after amassed for a month or two but the rest goes in our recycle can at home. When unwashed they attract all kinds of bugs and animals which is why they need to be cleaned out if we are to take them.**** I think that this and the other message covers all of the main issues. There is more to discuss if a related but separate group wants to be holding some child care sessions on the premises, but I think that should be via a conversation with all parties present to address issues of permits, security, insurance and likely additional rent.**** I think this is a fairly thorough response to most of the items, except the one (child care) that will require more discussion, because we don’t want to see anybody spend money for permitting or separate child care insurance until a more full understanding and agreement is made between all participating parties. Obviously, at this point in a lot of ways it would be much easier if the Sudo Room and related parties were to expand into some additional space so that more of our costs for that space are covered and so that we can put some better security features in place and have less worry about constantly having to clear out excess furnishings, objects and garbage that do not belong in the large common space, as well as our complete inability to rent out space to unrelated parties on any regular basis with the way the space is being used. At this point the headaches, stress, lack of sleep (for us) and stress on the building contents (i.e. walls, carpeting) and vulnerability of the building and its tenants are not aligned with the amount of rent received from your groups. That is not in any way to say that we don’t support and love what your groups are doing……just that we very much would like to have it work and be a win-win for all of us, without putting our other tenants at risk.**** Your thoughts would be much appreciated.**** Laurie**** ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Matthew Senate [mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:48 PM *To:* Laurie Cooperman Rosen *Subject:* Re: Children**** ** ** Laurie,**** ** ** Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be able to send a full response? We also need to address the incident on this past Saturday, which was another unacceptable confrontation and accusation.**** ** ** Thanks, Matt**** ** ** On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> wrote:**** Hi Matt-**** I received your note and drafted a response that night, but didn’t mail it out because I wanted to make sure George has nothing to add first. You will have it this weekend. The number one concern (before even anything else) is that WE are not insured for this and have received no evidence of coverage from your group either. At this point everybody who has any visitors on a regular basis MUST have insurance coverage with us as named insureds, and we at this point need to enforce that. Next on the list are permitting related issues from the City of Oakland for children to be allowed in any kind of day care setting, and also arrangements that will need to be made by your group (and the School too) to take care of janitorial during and immediately after any group activities being held there. This is not necessarily inclusive, but a start. We can discuss the possibility of this happening (allowing children in eventually), but not until these and other issues are fully addressed. I apologize for the miscommunications on both sides that caused George to get upset about this and perhaps act too heated, but it was not without reason (given that he assumed that the communications had been disbursed), and for the time being we need to start with the insurance issue because it looks like that will be required because of all of the traffic whether children are able to use the space eventually or not.**** Sorry, I worked on the email and saved it and was waiting for George to have time to look at it. The first month always keeps us both hopping and we only pass like ships in the night!**** Laurie**** **** **** *From:* Matthew Senate [mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, September 06, 2013 1:38 PM *To:* Laurie Cooperman Rosen *Subject:* Re: Children**** **** Laurie,**** **** Please let me know when you have a chance to read our note, even if you are unable to respond immediately.**** **** Thanks, Matt**** **** On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:**** Hi Laurie, **** This week George addressed a group of folks in the common area outside of Sudo Room and the Public School regarding the presence of minors in the building. His behavior was confrontational, hostile, loud, and very upsetting to many of those who were present, including some parentally-accompanied minors. There has unfortunately been a series of miscommunications about this issue, and we are dedicated foremost to resolving it amicably. **** First, thank you for communicating the building's policies on minors via email. Unfortunately, due to a lapse in our own internal communication, the contents of your email were not conveyed sufficiently to the relevant sudo room members before Wednesday of this week. Please understand this was a lapse in communication that has been rectified. **** Secondly, since early June, every Tuesday evening parent-supervised minors have attended sudo room. We provide no supervision services for minors. In fact, we provide no services to customers (we don't have customers) as we are a membership association. It was unclear that this event was specifically of any concern since it followed the requirement of supervision by parents. We are willing to meet the necessary requirements to ensure that you and George are provided with the appropriate advanced notification of any planned future sudo room events involving supervised minors and their parents. It is relevant to note that in the past we have allowed accompanied minors to be in the "Art Room" and not use common space, but in recent instances the common room has been used as well. Further, since we are interested in being as accessible as possible to different communities and demographics, we would like to clarify what opportunities there might be (through city services, insurance, waivers, etc.) for minors to be in the building in ways other than those outlined in your email. **** Thirdly, regarding the damage to the bathroom you discuss in your email, we understand your concerns and are sorry that it happened. We have raised awareness in hopes of preventing instances like this from happening in the future. While we are happy to take shared responsibility for ensuring the bathrooms are clean and usable, we want to communicate that we are not aware of any evidence that the minors who have been at sudo room were responsible for the damage. We fully support your desire to keep all parts of the space (including the bathrooms) vandalism-free, clean, and usable, so we have made all sudo room members aware of this incident, reinforced the expectations surrounding bathroom cleanliness, and reiterated the policy that children should not use bathrooms unaccompanied. Please let us know if you encounter any problems with the bathrooms in the future so that we can take appropriate action. However, we also ask for understanding that if there are problems with a shared space in the building, that absent specific evidence, sudo room may not have been the source of a particular problem. **** Finally, we would like to share with you a few of our expectations as lessees that we hope will help us continue to stay in this building that we have been very happy to rent for the last 9 months: **** Our Expectations: **** * That issues with our use of common space or our use of our rented "Art Room" be conveyed in writing, with disrespectful confrontations being completely unacceptable, in any circumstances. **** * Consistent with Sudo Room standards, that minors continue to be able to participate at Sudo Room, provided they are accompanied by parents or a legal guardian. **** * To work together with you as we grow, which requires we be accessible to more communities and demographics. **** * To consider options for mitigating liability through additional insurance, waivers, etc.**** Thanks, Matt**** **** **** ** **

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Discussion on Neurodegenerative disease - Idealab: Journal club - Tomorrow (Wed Sept 18th) at 5.30pm PST!

by Ryan Bethencourt

Dear All, Ever wonder what might be behind Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, ALS and many more neurodegenerative diseases? Could it be misfolded proteins? *Neurodegenerative diseases discussion - Idealab - Journal club - Tomorrow (Wed) 5.30pm PST Online video conference* Tomorrow (Wednesday) at 5.30pm PST, I'll be leading a discussion, co-hosted by Nina on Self-propagation of pathogenic protein aggregates in neurodegenerative diseases and I would love to have anyone that has experience or interest in the Neurodegenerative diseases to join us for broad ranging discussions! Please feel free to sign up below for the free Idealab discussion co-hosted by Nina and several Biohacker spaces/groups: http://www.meetup.com/Berkeley-Biolabs/events/138879892/ *Dedicating this discussion to Les Halpin:* I'd also like to dedicate this discussion to the patients who are suffering and need our help in finding cures to these terminal diseases and in particular a friend of mine, Les Halpin, who passed away at the weekend due to ALS. Les was a serial entrepreneur who funded a lot of research on ALS, was my fellow co-founder at Halpin Neurosciences (which led to the identification of J147 by Eric Valor for ALS) and he also developed the Halpin Protocol to accelerate the development of therapies for life threatening diseases in the UK. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10314789/Motor-neurone-disease… Come and join us for a discussion on Neurodegenerative diseases, protein misfolding and therapeutic interventions tomorrow! All the best, Ryan -- Ryan Bethencourt Tel: (415) 825 2705 Conf Call: (650) 741 5013 ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com http://www.litmususa.com/ http://berkeleybiolabs.com/ www.bamh1.com www.linkedin.com/in/bethencourt www.logos-press.com/books/biotechnology_business_development.php

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Fwd: Re: plan for empty bottles at sudo?

by Marina Kukso

hi everyone, just wanted to let everyone know about the fate of the bottles. i know you've all been waiting. - marina ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Raymond Lai <raymond.wm.lai(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Re: [sudo-discuss] plan for empty bottles at sudo? To: Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> Cc: Vian <vian.veritas(a)gmail.com>, "Morten H. D. Fuglsang" < vallebo(a)gmail.com> Hello all, SudoMate can use the bottles. Vian is out of town, but when he comes back we can move the bottle out of sudo room. :) Cheers, Ray On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Do you guys need and/or plan to use all the bottles at sudo? > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Morten H. D. Fuglsang" <vallebo(a)gmail.com> > Date: Sep 15, 2013 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] plan for empty bottles at sudo? > To: "Marina Kukso" <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> > > No, there is no plan. :) > > A subiir batch is approx 80 regular 12oz bottles, and we've found that > having around 150 bottles around is a good number because a) it fits inside > cupboards and b) it's sufficient for 2 batches of bottling. > > Sudomate brewing and bottling ops have moved to outside sudoroom, and I do > not know if the mate crew are relying on bottle collection from sudo room - > Ray / Vien (sp?), do you know? > > I'll take responsibility for clearing up the current bottle mess. I do not > know when. I've tried a bit of arranging before, but so far all attempts of > bottle-order have ended in bottle-chaos. Any suggestions welcome! > > > Make a great day, > Morten H. D. Fuglsang > US: +1 415 799 6931 // skype: FlyvendeHest > > > On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> there are many of them. they keep growing in number. do the folks who >> reuse the bottles have a timeline for when they plan to use them? >> >> - marina >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >

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the internet must go / film on open net neutrality

by Romy Ilano

http://www.theinternetmustgo.com/directorsnote/ This is very relevant to SudoRoom and would be great for a screening, right? the director Gena K. is also a really really great human being. <3

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My computer was PC Mag editors choice 2005

by Sonja Trauss

I have a Motion Computing LE1600 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1817311,00.asp http://www.motioncomputing.com/support/support_legacy_specs.asp Get in the time machine. What should I go - I really like this computer. It's unusual, the stylus interface has been really useful in the past. As expected, 8 years on, it's almost unusable, but in a lot of ways it's a really great machine!! What should I do with this thing? Am I blinded by sentimental attachment? Can I replace the guts? I have never replaced a hard drive or anything like that. Is this a good garage project, or is it much too hard for a beginner? Any resources you like and want to pass on? Does anyone on this list want it? Maybe someone is a tablet enthusiast. It really is magically easy and fun to write and draw with. Please advise. Thanks for your attention, Sonja

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Fwd: [spaghettinight] [ot] people's community market

by Marina Kukso

hi everyone, my friend david has an excellent suggestion regarding the people's community market. i vote we join forces :) please see below. - marina ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Wild <davidnorbertwild(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:06 AM Subject: [spaghettinight] [ot] people's community market To: "spaghettinight(a)tentacle.net" <spaghettinight(a)tentacle.net> Hi all, I'm attending an info session this Wednesday to learn more about the People's Community Market. Anyone want to come with me? They have them every Wednesday 4-5pm in downtown Oakland; peoplescommunitymarket.com/2012/10/23/weekly-info-session/ . I was thinking it would be cool to gather funds to have a joint donation. The investment returns ("3% annual compound interest and 1% store credit") could be then used for future Spaghetti costs (noodles, wine, etc) or other further investments (tiny house village, bobby's brewery/skate park, etc). But before I make any formal propositions I thought going to an info session would be useful. If you are interested, they ask that you please RSVP at the link above. If you don't know anything about the project yet: http://peoplescommunitymarket.com/ Also, if you have insider info that I'm blind to right now--please let me know what you know! Best, David _______________________________________________ spaghettinight mailing list spaghettinight(a)tentacle.net Rabbit administers this list; email them at rabbitface(a)gmail.com if you have questions To unsubscribe send an email to spaghettinight-leave(a)tentacle.net https://tentacle.net/mailman/listinfo/spaghettinight

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Crypto Class email list

by Gregg Horton

Join up if you're interested! http://groups.google.com/d/forum/sudo-crypto-class

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Rants

by Romy Ilano

Regarding negativity... At various hackerspaces I've been to I've had people abruptly come up to me and rant about their left wing political cause or gender issues or belief about Gmo food or political party This is something I do too. I'm becoming more mindful but it's some,thing to be aware of wig regard to welcoming minorities etc Getting lectured by a fatherly left wing guy is a common trope for me,... Sometimes these speeches rub me as paternal and cult like Peace out and hope everyone is having a great Saturday!!! Rock on

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jake's idea for sudoroom membership structure

by Jake

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 i confess i have no idea how to properly edit the membership wiki to add my ideas. So i will just type them here, and maybe someone can help me put them into the wiki properly. Sudo room/membership Do we have it? I think sudoroom does not currently have a membership structure in place. We are currently existing in a (most of the time) benevolent anarchy, resulting from equal parts luck, hard work by caring people, and security by obscurity. I think we SHOULD have membership, which is clearly defined and binary (either you are a member in good standing, or a nonmember for whatever reason). There should be a list of members which can be publicly accessed, with enough information about each member that they can be identified by any member (a description or picture provided by the member themselves) since we don't all "know" each other. I think membership should be something that is in exchange for ONGOING contribution to the community, as defined (continually) by the membership, on a person by person basis. For example, $10 per month might be accepted by one person as sufficient, but another person might be required to pay $40 per month. Or the group can decide that a persons offer to "clear and sweep the floor once a week" is sufficient. Also the community should be able to refuse someone's membership, even if they are a current member who has been making their required contribution. Also the community should be able to change the requirement from a person based on information from them or anyone, to a higher or lower or different requirement. The community should be able to declare that a person has not fulfilled their requirement and is, until they return to that requirement, temporarily not a member. Does it [membership] confer special privelages? I think that membership should confer special privelages including access to the space even if it is closed, for any community-approved uses. A member can be there when no one else is there if they want to be. Also while anyone can participate in discussions at meetings, only members can vote (or block consensus items). I think a member should be able to "sponsor" a nonmember (or multiple of them) WHILE they are present in the space. This way nonmembers can use the space any time a member who supports them is present, which should be easy for nonmembers who use the space properly in a cooperative way. And for all nonmembers wanting to use the space, their sponsor can help them use the space properly. I think that nonmembers should be nominally granted up to 24 added-up hours of access to the space without a specific sponsor. This part is subtle and I urge people to think about the total effect of this "pseudo policy" before objecting. If a nonmember behaves badly before they have used up 24 hours they can be asked to leave by a member, of course. And if a nonmember behaves well it is likely that no one will even point out when their "24 hours" appears to have expired. are there expectations of members, do they have responsibilities? I think that all members should promise not to leave the space open without a member present. This means that when an awesome nonmember is working on a project and you're the last member and you want to leave, you have to decide between staying to help them or asking them to return when the space is open. It is also a good time to remind them that by contributing in a community-approved way, they can have 24-7 access. One reason for members making this promise to each other is because members have accountability to one another, and were approved at a meeting, and can be contacted with questions by other members, and can be trusted. However that trust does not extend to strangers and we must respect the process of meetings and accountability when we are not present to act as an advocate or translator for a nonmember we want to support. Some practical reasons for not allowing nonmembers in the space alone include security of property and materials, projects and tools. But also, the organization of the space and functionality of it is tied to human effort to make it a usable space. People who are members are contributors to the space in one way or another, and they contribute toward the usability of the space. It isn't fair to our fellow contributors to allow others to use and take from that space when we ourselves are not willing to supervise our own guests' use of the space. How do you become a member? People who want to become a member of the space must meet members of the space and learn about membership and the space. They need to announce to the membership, through the discuss list, that they want to become a member and answer responses to their post so that members who might come to a meeting will be satisfied with their reasons for wanting to join. Also, use of the mailinglist demonstrates a basic ability to communicate and be accountable to other members in case they are accepted. After making their desires known, they will come to meetings to get to know people, and announce that they would like to become a member. They can discuss with the group what kind of contribution they feel comfortable making, based on their income or free time levels, and in the case of nonmonetary contributions, how they propose their contributions be tracked (could be an email declaring that they cleaned the space at 3PM today and saw certain members there who saw it happen) I think that we should not do like noisebridge and expect a secret discussion, or expect a specific timeline for consideration of membership. If a person makes their bid for membership on the list and shows up to the nearest meeting after that, they should not expect to achieve membership for at least another week while the possiblity for objections is there. At their first meeting the announcement having been made, one week should be sufficient time for the membership to bring out any uncertainties. If a person is a member of the space, they should not have any less accountability to the space than a nonmember (on the contrary). This means that a member can be discussed at a meeting for questionable behavior and if necessary, have their membership revoked by the group. Consensus Minus One would be nice for this purpose but is too limiting in practice, because we hackers tend to be contrary and side with the underdog to a fault. If a large portion of the membership agrees that a person is not a good fit for the space, the minority should not ask them to put aside their discomfort without convincing them of the reasons in dialogue. Why is this necessary? As I said in the beginning, i feel that sudoroom is riding on a streak of luck and hard work at the moment, and that we can't expect this to continue in the face of entropy. We already have and will continue to see abuse of the space by people who have no feelings of accountability, and our members have no recourse or policy to address anything like that. I know from experience what results from this, and it is sad. The failure of Sudoroom would not be a sufficiently educational experience to justify allowing it to happen, when the lessons we would learn have been offered so many times in other places. We talk about the challenge of diversity in a hackerspace like ours. One thing we don't seek is diversity of people who are good and bad for what we're trying to do. We do not invite drug dealers to sudoroom to sell meth to people from the street outside, even though it would please them greatly if they could use our space. We don't invite meth addicts to browse our hacking materials shelves to find copper and aluminum to recycle so they can buy more drugs. We also should not invite people to the space who are unwilling to behave in a way that is respectful to the members and guests whose interests we share, and want to share. That means that, despite our aversion to exclusion, we need to choose between excluding some or excluding others. For example, if we refuse abusive or disrespectful behavior and those who insist on it, we create an accessible space for people who avoid that behavior. If we maintain an atmosphere of cooperation and care for each other and the hardware that is our space, we invite people from all backgrounds who seek to do the same things. On the other hand, if we refuse this responsibility, we allow the tone to be set by those with the loudest voice, and the least to lose, and the quiet and self-respecting people will go elsewhere. I ask that we look to the future to envision the challenges we can expect as we continue to grow and do more awesome things, and think about what we hope to achieve. That is why we need to protect ourselves, each other, and our hackerspace, from complacency and entropy as best we can. well, I feel that i have said more than enough about it for now, but if anyone has opinions on this i look forward to continuing the discussion. - -jake -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSNPBmAAoJEN7XJKHgSSB182gP/00w2SXQSH1P+6Ctp43OnSeo dHRneibcUo9QjXJeENONeLXtrB2B2qEgJvb1ePDCFDT93Z/Iw5Rtp83CZ8WYywxj zNx5cPVkfffac0hgBL79k9dYhuDYD81kqgOk4EHuow1E7ZiNmezqGhkYBuEtm+YU +u4QZN0+I9W7smjFLFr3XnQOz3x6IdjC4w2NchqVkXoGlKlwpsyLMykmFjI4SyaY QxZUJ+YzeBqhUMPGV9w2DY9C/gL9LjvjLl33jO71xWrNb1ojRmAbFc7UgEUHKces KwLgWRChp/g4h75Nge9uTkqs/ETgtpDeYjbP8yrSp154wYJUpSPqiduFKJCdpTCD au6Da2qP7Th/uWSiGMBoEr7wOBGV13HOQUOF5mYb1nW9zB+0EQMYzKk/T+cUcRQW y4l8H9j11Y0JXfPrbQm1YwRVLcHEyKSHbV/crjXn+jY6YSePr49Mhcb+hzLOz80E cg1/iHDk20SD7L/7aNQONkO8LgtCIZO+pO6QT2v8OM3i/6YKp2j5dC4yoRMysJRp TjkI6uW/fi2NEz2ULQaif6zaJ9Ac47XoNzmYU6a1/Jw+oiZ8lNjgQBD7s13epEHP /Df3SRZcRO8JVKoN/c4yLyORlvVbn7FV++A87nsD4+NeZjTx3OlFG+McXXo+4RKS 9CragepqbGfJyZ9GIRl7 =tNc2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Fwd: Tenant Statement, 2141 Broadway & Invitations!!

by Matthew Senate

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> Date: Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 3:34 PM Subject: Tenant Statement, 2141 Broadway & Invitations!! To: exchequer(a)sudoroom.org Cc: eddan(a)eddan.com, mattsenate(a)gmail.com Dear Tenants at 2131-2147 Broadway: I apologize for the group message this month, but my email has been down for 24 hours and I have a limited amount of time in which to send out sooo many messages! There are 2 attachments to this email: first, there is your normal monthly bill. PG&E was lower than normal this month (keep up the good work!), especially for this time of year! Next, there is a flyer inviting you to an event that we'll be having at 2141 Broadway on 9/15, from 3-5pm. Abeba Wright, aka "The Krazy Kracker Lady" a dear friend of mine and well-known author in the raw food world (nationally and internationally!) will be doing one of her wonderfully creative lectures/demonstrations in the big space and adjacent front conference room area. Advance reservations strongly suggested by 9/5 because she needs to make enough krackers in advance for a lot of folks and making a lot of a variety of raw "Krackers" takes a lot of time, and she's a master! Instructions for registering are on the attached flyer. "Raw Daddy", the equally well-known raw cone-maker filled with the most creative sweet and savory fillings imaginable will also be on hand for those that want to purchase his creations. Get ready for a new world of creations to tantalize your taste buds if you haven't seen these two chefs before! Then, there is MORE! It is also George's Birthday on 9/15, and we will segue into a Party for him shortly after the meetup ends, from 6-9pm! There will be even more food, drink and possibly some live music too! Please join us for a memorable afternoon and evening of fun! Please RSVP to us as well, so we can plan for the catering accordingly! See you soon Laurie

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foundational bio / hacking TIL this sat

by Praveen Sinha

Hihi, I'll be doing a foundational bio hacking TIL this sat at sudoroom! Alexander and Andre who are badass nano-biohackers will be backing me up. We'll be covering the basics of how DNA, RNA, proteins and gene splicing works. Hope to see you there! Love and Peace! https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned#September_14_:_Understanding_DNA_…

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plan for empty bottles at sudo?

by Marina Kukso

there are many of them. they keep growing in number. do the folks who reuse the bottles have a timeline for when they plan to use them? - marina

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this thurs at wikimedia fndn: chicktech social (women in tech event)

by Marina Kukso

https://chicktechatwikimedia.eventbrite.com/ - marina ps - who comes up with the names for these groups >_< i guess the founder will be there so i can ask her :D

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relevant to you: bank account news

by Marina Kukso

hi everyone, a refill of checks that was supposed to be delivered from the bank never arrived and when jenny went to find out what to do, the bank people said that it was a high security risk to have checks floating around in the world tied to our existing account. unfortunately their solution to this problem is not very elegant. their official policy is that when this kind of thing happens that they open a new account with a new account number to avoid any possibility of someone using the checks to inappropriately draw on the old account. what this means for us is that we have to *provide them with a list of things that we are expecting to draw on and go into the old account* and *redirect things to the new account*. so, if you have direct deposit set up to the old account, please let me know so that we can give them a heads up. new checks are on their way to the bank and they will let us know when they arrive. finally, our current balance is $911.48. please pay your dues. - marina

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Incident Saturday

by Yardena Cohen

Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the community deserves to know that this happened. Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom was vandalized. I feel confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there is no way to know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls creating what appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely faithful renditions but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them. I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL Saturday around noon. Our landlord George showed it to me. He was understandably upset, both about having to clean up the mess and also about the symbolism. His father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted. I also was not happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad Vashem. Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into another tirade in which nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done by a Sudoroom member. There was a clear path of association that went: Sudoroom -> anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested that a kid from Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But mostly he accused Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in this conversation, he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was personally responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it myself. I actually found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole event. Not even offensive, just downright traumatic. There was the usual fare of yelling about money and society and his inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me that he was evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that Laurie would prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He told me that Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors for the rest of the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat them up!" I told him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for 2:00, please don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In short, the rant was a mix of old and new. Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our other landlord - she is George's wife and they own the building equally. The way he talked to her during this rant was very revealing, because she also became a target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days notice already prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that attracted Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of his other tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her, including that she was nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a divorce from her. She just stood there quietly saying nothing, holding their dog on a leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry you have to see this." After a while, when George left the room, she apologized to me. She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he just gets that way when his buttons are pushed." They ended up not leaving for a couple hours. Initially George refused to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it because he wanted to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would show up to investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of his other tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for things like this, the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please let's just clean it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left. I'm not really sure how to wrap up this email. Writing it was difficult. You will have to draw your own conclusions.

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Pinnacle of cultural diversity

by Max Klein

Amber, Thanks for sharing the Video "The Origin of the phrase 'women of colour'"[1]. I have often felt uneasy about using or even listening to the phare because I don't like subscribing to the "colour theory" of race, and try to stop using colour descriptors for people. However it's good to know the purpose behind the designation which I support quite a lot. Thanks for sharing, Max [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82vl34mi4Iw&feature=youtu.be From: amber yada <amberyadaanimation(a)gmail.com> > To: > Cc: Sudo Room Discussion List <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 09:20:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Pinnacle of cultural diversity > wow, i love this list... > > thank you sooooo much for speaking up, patrick and marina; it isn't > negative to be honest. yes, we want to celebrate that the foundations of > sudo room resist sexism and value "diversity" (no small thing!)... but yes > we have to do more, we always have to do more. > > as white individuals we need to take responsibility to educate ourselves > and listen to people's experiences without defense. as organizations... > well, it's very slippery because groups of white people are actually the > foundation of racial oppression. people are killed, neighborhoods > destroyed, land + animals + environment ruined so that white people can be > together. how does a group of mostly white people challenge their own > entitlement to exist --- especially when dealing with their own legal, > economic, and group oppression (heterosexism, ableism, transphobia, ageism) > issues? > > not trying to paint a bleak picture. absolutely there are things we can > and must do. but along the way we need to be doing the difficult work of > changing our own minds, and seeing that even the mechanisms we use for > anti-oppression work can be riddled with the language and thought process > and values of the oppressor. example: the term "women of color" (which > along w/ "people of color" i probly use too much) was originally a > political designation (see video <http://youtu.be/82vl34mi4Iw> and > learn!) and is now being used far too often as a racial descriptor. > > okay i think about this stuff all day every day. many more thoughts on > this. so happy to see the discussion here. > > as far as ideas on what to do, here is a list i worked on for BACE (bay > area community exchange). i feel hypocritical in sharing this because we > haven't been doing any of these things as an organization. i do still feel > very strongly that this is the direction we need to go. > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/15nxepE-LC_UUfoa-hViPTO7sxBBVsOHYxvVp29N… > > > -amber > > > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Patrick Schmidt < > psbschmidt(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> the person that I talked about reached out to me and I am now >> convinced he does not have negative intentions. It was a >> misunderstanding and maybe I was too sensitive or primed. >> >> The incident back then was a comment made over the list which >> triggered the girl, >> it was a statement in which the person identified with the suppressive >> culture. >> >> When I was young I also made many sarcastic comments to point out the >> crazy mind beliefs and social norms we have in our strange societies. >> >> But we do not have to identify with this strange culture, which is >> unsustainable and cuts down the rainforest, the lungs of our planet >> (we vote with our dollar and even if we do not have rainforest here in >> the US, the brazilians are cutting down the forest to plant GMO >> monoculture soy to feed the cows for the cattle for american and >> european markets) >> >> Just last week I had the epiphany that it maybe more useful that >> instead of identifying with the sick society, the male energies >> cutting down the forest, we should identify and focus on the female >> energies regrowing. >> >> Second epiphany I had that instead of complaining and trying to raise >> awareness about the toxic foods that are so popular in this society >> and even conscious and smart people eat, >> it is much better to focus on providing non toxic mother earth foods >> from the countryside hackers, the organic farmers, who love what they >> do and treat mother earth well. >> I am sure that we could make connections with farmers from the farmers >> market who donate food to us on a regular basis and we help them with >> homepages/media. >> >> We are givig birth to a new society all together, >> for the first time we can make it right, a society where the female >> spirit are not suppressed, >> a society celebrating diversity, peace and abundance, access of >> knowledge and ressources and empowerment for all. >> After all mother earth provides enough food and shelter for all, >> scarcity is man made and artificial. >> >> I will reach out to the girl, even if I think I never talked to her in >> person, >> and maybe we can make her come back. >> >> p.s. sudo room feels like family to me, last friday late at night we >> had a cuddle puddle, we formed an amoeba organism together and evolved >> to a mushroom, we sang together and beat boxed, and we are part of the >> peace and love movement. >> I see a positive future for Sudoroom and opening up and diversifying >> more will bring many new perspectives which will enrich the whole >> community, looking forward :) >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/9/13, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>: >> > thank you patrick for bringing up the current status of our efforts at >> > creating an inclusive space. i basically ask myself these kinds of >> > questions constantly (performing constant temperature check of things >> like >> > "how boys-clubbish does sudo feel right now?" and "if i were a person of >> > color, would i feel alienated if i walked in right now having never been >> > here before?" "is this a place where a non-gender-normative person would >> > feel comfortable being themselves without having to answer for who they >> > are?", etc.). >> > >> > so, i agree with you that we are not living up to the standards that >> we've >> > set for inclusivity. while we are doing a better job than many other >> > hackerspaces, in my mind, if we do not reflect the community of Oakland >> in >> > our diversity, then we have room for improvement. >> > >> > *so everyone, what are the conditions that contribute to us currently >> not >> > meeting our inclusivity goals and what can we do to start meeting them?* >> > *what >> > can we all be doing to make the space more inclusive and welcoming?* >> > >> > - marina >> > >> > ps - i wanted to share with everyone some inspiration for the kind of >> sudo >> > room that i'd like to see. it's a creative/hackspace in chattanooga >> that's >> > run by a library that was basically given over to innovation-oriented >> folks >> > to run carte blanche. i think that it is a space with more or less >> complete >> > community ownership (meaning that it's not seen as fringe or >> niche...it's >> > seen like the library.."a place where everyone just goes")..that would >> be >> > pretty cool @_@ >> > >> > about the space: http://4thfloor.chattlibrary.org/ >> > really interesting news piece about how it happened: >> > >> http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/aug/11/rock-star-librarians/?entert… >> > >> > pps - i agree with patrick that we have a lot of positive feminist >> energy. >> > we work very hard at this and although there are still times when things >> > are boys-clubbish and there are barely any women in the space, i feel >> that >> > our community overall is invested in ensuring that we have a space where >> > women have an expectation that they will be treated as humans (an >> > expectation that many women don't have in many places in the world!). my >> > perspective is that this commitment from the community is what it really >> > takes to solve problems of inclusion because it means that we have a >> number >> > of people who are invested in coming up with solutions when things are >> > exclusive. now how to maintain this and make it better and expand it for >> > everyone :) >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Schmidt >> > <psbschmidt(a)googlemail.com>wrote: >> > >> >> Sorry for being negative but I am not sure that it is all so positive. >> >> There is one person who has a very negative aura, always talks about >> >> negative things, >> >> at least one coder girl of colour stopped coming because of him. ( I >> >> should have spoken up much earlier). >> >> I feel very unsafe around that person. Nevertheless on Art Murmur's >> >> friday I wanted >> >> to overcome my fear and went and tried to talk to him, he was playing >> >> with a knife >> >> (made me unconfortable and I had the vision that he would stab me, so >> >> i mentioned that to ridiculize my own fear), but then he started to >> >> talk about very negative things again, >> >> I do not even remember what it was, I just left that conversation. >> >> >> >> I have seen people of colour who randomly walked in at art murmurs >> >> where we had the doors open to the street, walk out again as soon as >> >> they saw that we are mostly white folks up there. >> >> >> >> Yes, Sudoroom is amazing, lots of feminin energy and mostly I feel >> safe, >> >> Sudokids did rock a lot and one time we had black kids, white >> >> kids,southamerican kids, arabic kids and asian kids all together and >> >> it is wonderful, >> >> but still I think we have a lot of work to do to open up more, >> diversify, >> >> and make sure the hacker movement and empowerment is not only for the >> >> traditionally privilleged. >> >> >> >> I am not looking to have a confrontation with that person, i already >> >> forgave and released, >> >> I will just try to shine my light and if it comes to that try to help >> >> that person overcome his negativity and fear. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/9/12, Romy Snowyla <romy(a)snowyla.com>: >> >> > It is so awesome to see Sudoroom as a pinnacle of cultural diversity. >> >> There >> >> > is no tokenism here or random Asian women shoved into showcase roles. >> >> > It >> >> is >> >> > truly a place where open minded people mix freely showing their >> >> > diversity >> >> > and superiority to any capital it's systems and stick it to the man >> >> > >> >> > Rock on!!! >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my iPhone >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > sudo-discuss mailing list >> >> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> >> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> > > > > -- > *Animator Mama You-Tube Channel<http://www.youtube.com/user/videocabulary/videos?view=0> > * > *Animator Mama on Tumblr <http://animatormama.tumblr.com/>* > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> > To: Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> > Cc: xander(a)ligandal.com, dre(a)ligandal.com, sudo-discuss < > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org>, lol-hackers < > lol-hackers(a)googlegroups.com>, Juan Crispin Hernandez-Rosas < > one_e_toe(a)yahoo.com> > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:37:43 -0700 > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] [lol-hackers] foundational bio / hacking TIL > this sat > hi all, > > just a reminder that the foundational biohacking TIL is happening today at > 2. > > see you soon, > marina > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hihi, >> >> I'll be doing a foundational bio hacking TIL this sat at sudoroom! >> Alexander and Andre who are badass nano-biohackers will be backing me up. >> We'll be covering the basics of how DNA, RNA, proteins and gene splicing >> works. Hope to see you there! Love and Peace! >> >> >> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned#September_14_:_Understanding_DNA_… >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lol-hackers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lol-hackers+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lol-hackers(a)googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lol-hackers. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> > To: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> > Cc: Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com>, "liberty(a)libertymadison.com" < > liberty(a)libertymadison.com>, "sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org" < > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 12:09:58 -0700 > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Incident Saturday > We have to find out what the building is worth, then someone has to see > how big of a loan we could get as a group (we'd need a tax structure). Once > we find that out we can crowd source for the deposit and first months > mortgage. > > It's within the realm of possibility, but would require Sudo Room to > become a land owner and a state/federally recognized entity (like an LLC) > with people on the board having good credit. Correct me if I'm wrong here. > > --Andrew > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: > >> +1!!! >> >> Minus - 'it's probably too big to be crowdfunded' >> >> sent from eddan.com >> >> On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Not sure if this is possible, but just throwing it out there since there >> seems to be a general consensus that the location is ideal, but the >> management is the opposite: >> >> Can sudoroom (or some conglomerate including sudoroom) buy George out? or >> convince someone/something friendly to sudoroom to buy him out? >> I think it's probably too big to be crowdfunded, but does anyone know >> someone profusely wealthy able to take this on? or a group? >> >> I am guessing there are already models for spaces owned by the groups >> that operate there, cooperatively maybe? >> >> I'm not necessarily advocating this, but this space in Atlanta is pretty >> nice, even though it's been bought by developers for the purpose of >> fostering an art community that already existed there, and they have a farm: >> http://clatl.com/atlanta/goat-farm-gets-sold/Content?oid=1868024 >> >> Not sure what the equivalent in Oakland would be. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>wrote: >> >>> Walking away may not be easy to do as he tends to corner people when >>> they are alone in the space. >>> On Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM, "Hol Gaskill" <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote: >>> >>>> reiterating the in-writing requirement is good. just walking away may >>>> or may not be so good - i have so far had the good fortune not to know the >>>> depths of these interactions. >>>> >>>> Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote: >>>> The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all >>>> requests and complaints must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate >>>> that if George approaches you just say, "please put that in writing so I >>>> can share it with the group, thanks" and walk away if you can. >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, johanna faust female.faust(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >>>> >i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him? >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Hey all, I sent this to Laurie today: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Laurie, >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be able to >>>> send a >>>> > >>>> > full response? We also need to address the incident on this past >>>> Saturday, >>>> > >>>> > which was another unacceptable confrontation and accusation. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > >>>> > Matt >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com> >>>> > >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >> We've used http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show >>>> listings >>>> > >>>> >> of spaces, look at price points, be knowledgeable about local >>>> availability. >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM, rusty lindgren >>>> rustylindgren(a)gmail.com> >>>> > >>>> >> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >>> And these: >>>> > >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html >>>> > >>>> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html >>>> > >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >>>> >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> > >>>> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> > >>>> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> > >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > >>>> > sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> > >>>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> > >>>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> -- >>>> > >>>> Be seeing you. >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> > >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> > >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >-- >>>> >-------Andrew LoweCell: 831-332-2507http://roshambomedia.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >_______________________________________________ >>>> >sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> >sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> >http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 > http://roshambomedia.com > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> > To: Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> > Cc: Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com>, "liberty(a)libertymadison.com" < > liberty(a)libertymadison.com>, "sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org" < > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 13:09:26 -0700 > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Incident Saturday > or it could be structured as a co-op real estate deal. > or an equity crowd funded (starting 9/28) distribution of shares. > > Sudo Room can remain what it is. Sudo Co-op, for example, can be the > entity with title to the property. > > sent from eddan.com > > On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: > > We have to find out what the building is worth, then someone has to see > how big of a loan we could get as a group (we'd need a tax structure). Once > we find that out we can crowd source for the deposit and first months > mortgage. > > It's within the realm of possibility, but would require Sudo Room to > become a land owner and a state/federally recognized entity (like an LLC) > with people on the board having good credit. Correct me if I'm wrong here. > > --Andrew > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: > >> +1!!! >> >> Minus - 'it's probably too big to be crowdfunded' >> >> sent from eddan.com >> >> On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Not sure if this is possible, but just throwing it out there since there >> seems to be a general consensus that the location is ideal, but the >> management is the opposite: >> >> Can sudoroom (or some conglomerate including sudoroom) buy George out? or >> convince someone/something friendly to sudoroom to buy him out? >> I think it's probably too big to be crowdfunded, but does anyone know >> someone profusely wealthy able to take this on? or a group? >> >> I am guessing there are already models for spaces owned by the groups >> that operate there, cooperatively maybe? >> >> I'm not necessarily advocating this, but this space in Atlanta is pretty >> nice, even though it's been bought by developers for the purpose of >> fostering an art community that already existed there, and they have a farm: >> http://clatl.com/atlanta/goat-farm-gets-sold/Content?oid=1868024 >> >> Not sure what the equivalent in Oakland would be. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>wrote: >> >>> Walking away may not be easy to do as he tends to corner people when >>> they are alone in the space. >>> On Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM, "Hol Gaskill" <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote: >>> >>>> reiterating the in-writing requirement is good. just walking away may >>>> or may not be so good - i have so far had the good fortune not to know the >>>> depths of these interactions. >>>> >>>> Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote: >>>> The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all >>>> requests and complaints must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate >>>> that if George approaches you just say, "please put that in writing so I >>>> can share it with the group, thanks" and walk away if you can. >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, johanna faust female.faust(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >>>> >i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him? >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Hey all, I sent this to Laurie today: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Laurie, >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be able to >>>> send a >>>> > >>>> > full response? We also need to address the incident on this past >>>> Saturday, >>>> > >>>> > which was another unacceptable confrontation and accusation. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > >>>> > Matt >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com> >>>> > >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >> We've used http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show >>>> listings >>>> > >>>> >> of spaces, look at price points, be knowledgeable about local >>>> availability. >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM, rusty lindgren >>>> rustylindgren(a)gmail.com> >>>> > >>>> >> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >>> And these: >>>> > >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html >>>> > >>>> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html >>>> > >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >>>> >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> > >>>> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> > >>>> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> > >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > >>>> > sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> > >>>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> > >>>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> -- >>>> > >>>> Be seeing you. >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> > >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> > >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >-- >>>> >-------Andrew LoweCell: 831-332-2507http://roshambomedia.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >_______________________________________________ >>>> >sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> >sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> >http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 > http://roshambomedia.com > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> > To: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> > Cc: Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com>, "liberty(a)libertymadison.com" < > liberty(a)libertymadison.com>, "sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org" < > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 13:14:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Incident Saturday > > If it's a California direct public offering, it can be done as equity > already. See people's community market in west Oakland. > On Sep 14, 2013 1:09 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: > >> or it could be structured as a co-op real estate deal. >> or an equity crowd funded (starting 9/28) distribution of shares. >> >> Sudo Room can remain what it is. Sudo Co-op, for example, can be the >> entity with title to the property. >> >> sent from eddan.com >> >> On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: >> >> We have to find out what the building is worth, then someone has to see >> how big of a loan we could get as a group (we'd need a tax structure). Once >> we find that out we can crowd source for the deposit and first months >> mortgage. >> >> It's within the realm of possibility, but would require Sudo Room to >> become a land owner and a state/federally recognized entity (like an LLC) >> with people on the board having good credit. Correct me if I'm wrong here. >> >> --Andrew >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: >> >>> +1!!! >>> >>> Minus - 'it's probably too big to be crowdfunded' >>> >>> sent from eddan.com >>> >>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Not sure if this is possible, but just throwing it out there since there >>> seems to be a general consensus that the location is ideal, but the >>> management is the opposite: >>> >>> Can sudoroom (or some conglomerate including sudoroom) buy George out? >>> or convince someone/something friendly to sudoroom to buy him out? >>> I think it's probably too big to be crowdfunded, but does anyone know >>> someone profusely wealthy able to take this on? or a group? >>> >>> I am guessing there are already models for spaces owned by the groups >>> that operate there, cooperatively maybe? >>> >>> I'm not necessarily advocating this, but this space in Atlanta is pretty >>> nice, even though it's been bought by developers for the purpose of >>> fostering an art community that already existed there, and they have a farm: >>> http://clatl.com/atlanta/goat-farm-gets-sold/Content?oid=1868024 >>> >>> Not sure what the equivalent in Oakland would be. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Walking away may not be easy to do as he tends to corner people when >>>> they are alone in the space. >>>> On Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM, "Hol Gaskill" <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> reiterating the in-writing requirement is good. just walking away may >>>>> or may not be so good - i have so far had the good fortune not to know the >>>>> depths of these interactions. >>>>> >>>>> Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote: >>>>> The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all >>>>> requests and complaints must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate >>>>> that if George approaches you just say, "please put that in writing so I >>>>> can share it with the group, thanks" and walk away if you can. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, johanna faust >>>>> female.faust(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him? >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Hey all, I sent this to Laurie today: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Laurie, >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be able to >>>>> send a >>>>> > >>>>> > full response? We also need to address the incident on this past >>>>> Saturday, >>>>> > >>>>> > which was another unacceptable confrontation and accusation. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > >>>>> > Matt >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> We've used http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show >>>>> listings >>>>> > >>>>> >> of spaces, look at price points, be knowledgeable about local >>>>> availability. >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM, rusty lindgren >>>>> rustylindgren(a)gmail.com> >>>>> > >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>> And these: >>>>> > >>>>> >>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html >>>>> > >>>>> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html >>>>> > >>>>> >>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>>>> >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> > >>>>> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> > >>>>> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> > >>>>> >>> >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>>>> > sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> > >>>>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> > >>>>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> -- >>>>> > >>>>> Be seeing you. >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> > >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> > >>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >-- >>>>> >-------Andrew LoweCell: 831-332-2507http://roshambomedia.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >_______________________________________________ >>>>> >sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> >sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> >http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ------- >> Andrew Lowe >> Cell: 831-332-2507 >> http://roshambomedia.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> > To: "sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org" <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 13:59:37 -0700 > Subject: [sudo-discuss] oakland nights live tonight at sudo room > hi all, > > oakland nights live will be at sudo room tonight. do enjoy. there will > hopefully be lots of new people! > > here's the event link: https://www.facebook.com/events/173230236198036/ > > - marina > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> > To: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com>, "liberty(a)libertymadison.com" < > liberty(a)libertymadison.com>, "sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org" < > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 14:34:26 -0700 > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Incident Saturday > True. Though there is approx. $25,000 in legal fees in preparation for the > CA DPO. Cutting Edge Capital (Jenny Kassan) did the People's Community > Market. > > Not sure how the comparison will stack up, but it's problematic that the > DPO involves getting the $25K upfront, in order to raise the DPO money. > > Either way, it seems to me like an institutional membership structure > might make it a lot more feasible (i.e., Bay Area Public School, Roshambo > Media, Sound Room, Pan Theater, Pan Theatre, Community Democracy Project, > Oakland Wiki, etc. etc.). > > > sent from eddan.com > > On Sep 14, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > If it's a California direct public offering, it can be done as equity > already. See people's community market in west Oakland. > On Sep 14, 2013 1:09 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: > >> or it could be structured as a co-op real estate deal. >> or an equity crowd funded (starting 9/28) distribution of shares. >> >> Sudo Room can remain what it is. Sudo Co-op, for example, can be the >> entity with title to the property. >> >> sent from eddan.com >> >> On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: >> >> We have to find out what the building is worth, then someone has to see >> how big of a loan we could get as a group (we'd need a tax structure). Once >> we find that out we can crowd source for the deposit and first months >> mortgage. >> >> It's within the realm of possibility, but would require Sudo Room to >> become a land owner and a state/federally recognized entity (like an LLC) >> with people on the board having good credit. Correct me if I'm wrong here. >> >> --Andrew >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: >> >>> +1!!! >>> >>> Minus - 'it's probably too big to be crowdfunded' >>> >>> sent from eddan.com >>> >>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Not sure if this is possible, but just throwing it out there since there >>> seems to be a general consensus that the location is ideal, but the >>> management is the opposite: >>> >>> Can sudoroom (or some conglomerate including sudoroom) buy George out? >>> or convince someone/something friendly to sudoroom to buy him out? >>> I think it's probably too big to be crowdfunded, but does anyone know >>> someone profusely wealthy able to take this on? or a group? >>> >>> I am guessing there are already models for spaces owned by the groups >>> that operate there, cooperatively maybe? >>> >>> I'm not necessarily advocating this, but this space in Atlanta is pretty >>> nice, even though it's been bought by developers for the purpose of >>> fostering an art community that already existed there, and they have a farm: >>> http://clatl.com/atlanta/goat-farm-gets-sold/Content?oid=1868024 >>> >>> Not sure what the equivalent in Oakland would be. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Walking away may not be easy to do as he tends to corner people when >>>> they are alone in the space. >>>> On Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM, "Hol Gaskill" <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> reiterating the in-writing requirement is good. just walking away may >>>>> or may not be so good - i have so far had the good fortune not to know the >>>>> depths of these interactions. >>>>> >>>>> Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote: >>>>> The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all >>>>> requests and complaints must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate >>>>> that if George approaches you just say, "please put that in writing so I >>>>> can share it with the group, thanks" and walk away if you can. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, johanna faust >>>>> female.faust(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him? >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Hey all, I sent this to Laurie today: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Laurie, >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be able to >>>>> send a >>>>> > >>>>> > full response? We also need to address the incident on this past >>>>> Saturday, >>>>> > >>>>> > which was another unacceptable confrontation and accusation. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > >>>>> > Matt >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> We've used http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show >>>>> listings >>>>> > >>>>> >> of spaces, look at price points, be knowledgeable about local >>>>> availability. >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM, rusty lindgren >>>>> rustylindgren(a)gmail.com> >>>>> > >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>> And these: >>>>> > >>>>> >>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html >>>>> > >>>>> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html >>>>> > >>>>> >>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>>>> >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> > >>>>> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> > >>>>> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> > >>>>> >>> >>>>> > >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>>>> > sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> > >>>>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> > >>>>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> -- >>>>> > >>>>> Be seeing you. >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> > >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> > >>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >-- >>>>> >-------Andrew LoweCell: 831-332-2507http://roshambomedia.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >_______________________________________________ >>>>> >sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> >sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> >http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ------- >> Andrew Lowe >> Cell: 831-332-2507 >> http://roshambomedia.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> > To: "sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org" <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 14:58:02 -0700 > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] defining our membership: notes, next steps, > and what's at stake > hey all, > > in case the wiki link didn't work for you because of the period at the > end, the correct link is: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_room/membership > > - marina > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> hi all, >> >> we've been trying to figure out who is a member and how we determine >> membership for a long time. we have not yet come up with a resolution. >> although we keep (miraculously) making the rent, we are severely >> constrained in our ability to expand (expand our space, become a nonprofit, >> etc.) by not having good answers to key questions like "who is a member," >> "how do people become new members," and "how do people continue to be >> members." we have explored a lot of ideas but no proposal has had the >> support of enough people to allow us to move forward. >> >> there was apparently a great discussion about membership at a meeting a >> few weeks ago which i sadly missed. unfortunately it was not super-well >> documented, so with marc's help, i've tried to represent some of what got >> discussed. >> >> so, here are the notes (marc and others who were there, please add if i >> missed anything or correct things if they're wrong): >> >> - people at the meeting agreed that membership should be based on * >> contribution* to the space and *trust*. >> >> - it's unclear what the mechanisms are for determining contribution and >> verifying trust. >> >> - here are the mechanisms for contribution that were discussed: >> -- people agreed that there should be space for financial and >> non-financial contributions. (personal note: our community as a whole has >> agreed on this since our founding, but we get tripped up when starting to >> think through the details of how something like this would work. we have >> not yet found a solution to this problem.) >> -- some folks proposed a member sign off (eg a member signs off on the >> contribution you've made to the space, or you report it yourself) >> >> - here are the mechanisms for trust that were discussed: >> -- noisebridge model: 3 existing members vouch for a person who is >> applying to be a member. (also discussed was lowering it to 1 existing >> member with 3 being seen as too high). >> >> - a guiding idea was that it should be easy to become a member and easy >> to revoke membership if trust was violated and/or contributions are not >> made. >> >> - additionally people were generally in agreement that membership should >> provide access to the space (door access) and access to sudo room resources. >> >> >> with those two issues as the standing problems that need to be resolved, >> people agreed to propose and share as many different mechanisms for >> verifying contribution and trust as they could come up with. >> >> so..please add here or on the wiki at >> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_room/membership. >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org, marina.kukso(a)gmail.com > Cc: > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:03:05 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] intertwinkles collaborative decisionmaking tool > I was not able to sign in. I went to the link you posted and it asked me > to sign in. No invitation to create a new account. So i put my email > address and it asked me to verify it (which i did) and then it gave the > following cryptic error message: > > Permission Denied > Sorry about that. Are you signed in as the right user? If we screwed up, > please let us know what happened. > > Feedback & Support > > Marina wrote: > are you guys able to sign up for the sudo room group? > https://intertwinkles.org/**groups/show/sudo-room/<https://intertwinkles.org/groups/show/sudo-room/> > > not sure if i have to invite people or if you can just ask to join. > > - marina > > 4 > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> > To: marina.kukso(a)gmail.com, sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > Cc: Jake Walters <jake(a)spaz.org> > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 16:25:26 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [sudo-discuss] jake's idea for sudoroom membership structure > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > i confess i have no idea how to properly edit the membership wiki to add > my ideas. > > So i will just type them here, and maybe someone can help me put them into > the wiki properly. > > Sudo room/membership > Do we have it? > > I think sudoroom does not currently have a membership structure in place. > We are currently existing in a (most of the time) benevolent anarchy, > resulting from equal parts luck, hard work by caring people, and security > by obscurity. > > I think we SHOULD have membership, which is clearly defined and binary > (either you are a member in good standing, or a nonmember for whatever > reason). There should be a list of members which can be publicly accessed, > with enough information about each member that they can be identified by > any member (a description or picture provided by the member themselves) > since we don't all "know" each other. > > I think membership should be something that is in exchange for ONGOING > contribution to the community, as defined (continually) by the membership, > on a person by person basis. For example, $10 per month might be accepted > by one person as sufficient, but another person might be required to pay > $40 per month. Or the group can decide that a persons offer to "clear and > sweep the floor once a week" is sufficient. > > Also the community should be able to refuse someone's membership, even if > they are a current member who has been making their required contribution. > Also the community should be able to change the requirement from a person > based on information from them or anyone, to a higher or lower or different > requirement. The community should be able to declare that a person has not > fulfilled their requirement and is, until they return to that requirement, > temporarily not a member. > > Does it [membership] confer special privelages? > > I think that membership should confer special privelages including access > to the space even if it is closed, for any community-approved uses. A > member can be there when no one else is there if they want to be. Also > while anyone can participate in discussions at meetings, only members can > vote (or block consensus items). > > I think a member should be able to "sponsor" a nonmember (or multiple of > them) WHILE they are present in the space. This way nonmembers can use the > space any time a member who supports them is present, which should be easy > for nonmembers who use the space properly in a cooperative way. And for > all nonmembers wanting to use the space, their sponsor can help them use > the space properly. > > I think that nonmembers should be nominally granted up to 24 added-up > hours of access to the space without a specific sponsor. This part is > subtle and I urge people to think about the total effect of this "pseudo > policy" before objecting. If a nonmember behaves badly before they have > used up 24 hours they can be asked to leave by a member, of course. And if > a nonmember behaves well it is likely that no one will even point out when > their "24 hours" appears to have expired. > > are there expectations of members, do they have responsibilities? > > I think that all members should promise not to leave the space open > without a member present. This means that when an awesome nonmember is > working on a project and you're the last member and you want to leave, you > have to decide between staying to help them or asking them to return when > the space is open. It is also a good time to remind them that by > contributing in a community-approved way, they can have 24-7 access. > > One reason for members making this promise to each other is because > members have accountability to one another, and were approved at a meeting, > and can be contacted with questions by other members, and can be trusted. > However that trust does not extend to strangers and we must respect the > process of meetings and accountability when we are not present to act as an > advocate or translator for a nonmember we want to support. > > Some practical reasons for not allowing nonmembers in the space alone > include security of property and materials, projects and tools. But also, > the organization of the space and functionality of it is tied to human > effort to make it a usable space. People who are members are contributors > to the space in one way or another, and they contribute toward the > usability of the space. It isn't fair to our fellow contributors to allow > others to use and take from that space when we ourselves are not willing to > supervise our own guests' use of the space. > > How do you become a member? > > People who want to become a member of the space must meet members of the > space and learn about membership and the space. They need to announce to > the membership, through the discuss list, that they want to become a member > and answer responses to their post so that members who might come to a > meeting will be satisfied with their reasons for wanting to join. Also, use > of the mailinglist demonstrates a basic ability to communicate and be > accountable to other members in case they are accepted. > > After making their desires known, they will come to meetings to get to > know people, and announce that they would like to become a member. They > can discuss with the group what kind of contribution they feel comfortable > making, based on their income or free time levels, and in the case of > nonmonetary contributions, how they propose their contributions be tracked > (could be an email declaring that they cleaned the space at 3PM today and > saw certain members there who saw it happen) > > I think that we should not do like noisebridge and expect a secret > discussion, or expect a specific timeline for consideration of membership. > If a person makes their bid for membership on the list and shows up to the > nearest meeting after that, they should not expect to achieve membership > for at least another week while the possiblity for objections is there. At > their first meeting the announcement having been made, one week should be > sufficient time for the membership to bring out any uncertainties. > > If a person is a member of the space, they should not have any less > accountability to the space than a nonmember (on the contrary). This means > that a member can be discussed at a meeting for questionable behavior and > if necessary, have their membership revoked by the group. Consensus Minus > One would be nice for this purpose but is too limiting in practice, because > we hackers tend to be contrary and side with the underdog to a fault. If a > large portion of the membership agrees that a person is not a good fit for > the space, the minority should not ask them to put aside their discomfort > without convincing them of the reasons in dialogue. > > Why is this necessary? > > As I said in the beginning, i feel that sudoroom is riding on a streak of > luck and hard work at the moment, and that we can't expect this to continue > in the face of entropy. We already have and will continue to see abuse of > the space by people who have no feelings of accountability, and our members > have no recourse or policy to address anything like that. I know from > experience what results from this, and it is sad. The failure of Sudoroom > would not be a sufficiently educational experience to justify allowing it > to happen, when the lessons we would learn have been offered so many times > in other places. > > We talk about the challenge of diversity in a hackerspace like ours. One > thing we don't seek is diversity of people who are good and bad for what > we're trying to do. We do not invite drug dealers to sudoroom to sell meth > to people from the street outside, even though it would please them greatly > if they could use our space. We don't invite meth addicts to browse our > hacking materials shelves to find copper and aluminum to recycle so they > can buy more drugs. > > We also should not invite people to the space who are unwilling to behave > in a way that is respectful to the members and guests whose interests we > share, and want to share. That means that, despite our aversion to > exclusion, we need to choose between excluding some or excluding others. > > For example, if we refuse abusive or disrespectful behavior and those who > insist on it, we create an accessible space for people who avoid that > behavior. If we maintain an atmosphere of cooperation and care for each > other and the hardware that is our space, we invite people from all > backgrounds who seek to do the same things. On the other hand, if we > refuse this responsibility, we allow the tone to be set by those with the > loudest voice, and the least to lose, and the quiet and self-respecting > people will go elsewhere. > > I ask that we look to the future to envision the challenges we can expect > as we continue to grow and do more awesome things, and think about what we > hope to achieve. That is why we need to protect ourselves, each other, and > our hackerspace, from complacency and entropy as best we can. > > well, I feel that i have said more than enough about it for now, but if > anyone has opinions on this i look forward to continuing the discussion. > > - -jake > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (FreeBSD) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSNPBmAAoJEN7XJK**HgSSB182gP/00w2SXQSH1P+**6Ctp43OnSeo > dHRneibcUo9QjXJeENONeLXtrB2B2q**EgJvb1ePDCFDT93Z/**Iw5Rtp83CZ8WYywxj > zNx5cPVkfffac0hgBL79k9dYhuDYD8**1kqgOk4EHuow1E7ZiNmezqGhkYBuEt**m+YU > +u4QZN0+**I9W7smjFLFr3XnQOz3x6IdjC4w2Nch**qVkXoGlKlwpsyLMykmFjI4SyaY > QxZUJ+YzeBqhUMPGV9w2DY9C/**gL9LjvjLl33jO71xWrNb1ojRmAbFc7**UgEUHKces > KwLgWRChp/g4h75Nge9uTkqs/**ETgtpDeYjbP8yrSp154wYJUpSPqidu**FKJCdpTCD > au6Da2qP7Th/**uWSiGMBoEr7wOBGV13HOQUOF5mYb1n**W9zB+0EQMYzKk/T+cUcRQW > y4l8H9j11Y0JXfPrbQm1YwRVLcHEyK**SHbV/crjXn+jY6YSePr49Mhcb+**hzLOz80E > cg1/iHDk20SD7L/**7aNQONkO8LgtCIZO+pO6QT2v8OM3i/**6YKp2j5dC4yoRMysJRp > TjkI6uW/**fi2NEz2ULQaif6zaJ9Ac47XoNzmYU6**a1/Jw+oiZ8lNjgQBD7s13epEHP > /Df3SRZcRO8JVKoN/**c4yLyORlvVbn7FV++A87nsD4+**NeZjTx3OlFG+McXXo+4RKS > 9CragepqbGfJyZ9GIRl7 > =tNc2 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >

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Re: [sudo-discuss] intertwinkles collaborative decisionmaking tool

by Jake

I was not able to sign in. I went to the link you posted and it asked me to sign in. No invitation to create a new account. So i put my email address and it asked me to verify it (which i did) and then it gave the following cryptic error message: Permission Denied Sorry about that. Are you signed in as the right user? If we screwed up, please let us know what happened. Feedback & Support Marina wrote: are you guys able to sign up for the sudo room group? https://intertwinkles.org/groups/show/sudo-room/ not sure if i have to invite people or if you can just ask to join. - marina 4

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defining our membership: notes, next steps, and what's at stake

by Marina Kukso

hi all, we've been trying to figure out who is a member and how we determine membership for a long time. we have not yet come up with a resolution. although we keep (miraculously) making the rent, we are severely constrained in our ability to expand (expand our space, become a nonprofit, etc.) by not having good answers to key questions like "who is a member," "how do people become new members," and "how do people continue to be members." we have explored a lot of ideas but no proposal has had the support of enough people to allow us to move forward. there was apparently a great discussion about membership at a meeting a few weeks ago which i sadly missed. unfortunately it was not super-well documented, so with marc's help, i've tried to represent some of what got discussed. so, here are the notes (marc and others who were there, please add if i missed anything or correct things if they're wrong): - people at the meeting agreed that membership should be based on * contribution* to the space and *trust*. - it's unclear what the mechanisms are for determining contribution and verifying trust. - here are the mechanisms for contribution that were discussed: -- people agreed that there should be space for financial and non-financial contributions. (personal note: our community as a whole has agreed on this since our founding, but we get tripped up when starting to think through the details of how something like this would work. we have not yet found a solution to this problem.) -- some folks proposed a member sign off (eg a member signs off on the contribution you've made to the space, or you report it yourself) - here are the mechanisms for trust that were discussed: -- noisebridge model: 3 existing members vouch for a person who is applying to be a member. (also discussed was lowering it to 1 existing member with 3 being seen as too high). - a guiding idea was that it should be easy to become a member and easy to revoke membership if trust was violated and/or contributions are not made. - additionally people were generally in agreement that membership should provide access to the space (door access) and access to sudo room resources. with those two issues as the standing problems that need to be resolved, people agreed to propose and share as many different mechanisms for verifying contribution and trust as they could come up with. so..please add here or on the wiki at https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_room/membership.

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oakland nights live tonight at sudo room

by Marina Kukso

hi all, oakland nights live will be at sudo room tonight. do enjoy. there will hopefully be lots of new people! here's the event link: https://www.facebook.com/events/173230236198036/ - marina

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favorite friday tweet

by Praveen Sinha

https://twitter.com/anildash/status/378186182859161600 That's us!!!!!!!!!!!

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intertwinkles collaborative decisionmaking tool

by Marina Kukso

are you guys able to sign up for the sudo room group? https://intertwinkles.org/groups/show/sudo-room/ not sure if i have to invite people or if you can just ask to join. - marina

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Help

by Nathan Atkinson

Unsubscribe On Sep 13, 2013, at 4:44 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: > Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Hacker exchange program + Knownodes (dor garbash) > 2. Awesome Wednesday drop in (Romy Snowyla) > 3. defining our membership: notes, next steps, and what's at > stake (Marina Kukso) > 4. Pinnacle of cultural diversity (Romy Snowyla) > 5. Re: Encryption Class Starts today, Study Group on Thursday > (Gregg Horton) > 6. Re: Encryption Class Starts today, Study Group on Thursday > (Andrey Fedorov) > 7. Re: Encryption Class Starts today, Study Group on Thursday > (Gregg Horton) > 8. Disaster Recovery SDR-based mesh (Marc Juul) > 9. Re: Incident Saturday (johanna faust) > 10. Apple's new fingerprint ID and the 5th amendment (Jonathan levin) > 11. Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Disaster Recovery SDR-based mesh > (Matthieu Tourne) > 12. Pinnacle of cultural diversity (Patrick Schmidt) > 13. Re: Pinnacle of cultural diversity (Marina Kukso) > 14. Re: Incident Saturday (Andrew) > 15. Re: Incident Saturday (Hol Gaskill) > 16. foundational bio / hacking TIL this sat (Praveen Sinha) > 17. Re: Incident Saturday (Andrew) > 18. Re: Pinnacle of cultural diversity (Patrick Schmidt) > 19. Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Disaster Recovery SDR-based mesh > (Marc Juul) > 20. Re: foundational bio / hacking TIL this sat (Patrik D'haeseleer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 07:38:43 +0200 > From: dor garbash <dor.garbash(a)gmail.com> > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > Subject: [sudo-discuss] Hacker exchange program + Knownodes > Message-ID: > <CADpEMmvN=pmobWMvcFDM15x4NeSbVxfiOWoYtq-+5vrJJTkQUw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear Sudoers, > > Thank you all so much for hosting me, I'm already making plans towards a > second visit :) > > Being the first guest of the hacker exchange program, I'm passing the torch > - > anyone interested in to be hosted by me and the CRI in Paris? Just drop me > a line. > > Regarding Knownodes, we have already began a concrete collaboration: The > development of the public API for Knownodes, initiated by Matt: > https://github.com/CyberCRI/KnowNodes/issues/56 > > Interested in contributing with the API, or other aspects of the project? > Here are a couple of ways to contribute if you're interested: > > * Help with code, design or communication by joining a hackathon we will be > organising in November. The hackathon will happen in an old monastery in > the french countryside that has been converted into an anarchist workplace > for artists and hackers. It's as awesome as it sounds, and I might be able > to subsidise travel and staying costs. > > * Help spread the word by organising a Knownodes workshop to map a problem, > an open question or a project. I will help you out with workshop material, > advice feedback etc'. > > * If you wish to stay informed about the project join our list. > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/knownodes > > And don't forget: http://i.imgur.com/CyQKlTC.gif > > Health and happiness, > > Dor > > > -- > Get some insight of what makes me tick: > My twitter <https://twitter.com/#!/garbash> > Knownodes blog <http://knownodes.tumblr.com/> > > Dor Garbash > 108 Rue du faubourg du temple, Paris 75011 > +33-652919878 >

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Disaster Recovery SDR-based mesh

by Marc Juul

Hi! Some of us at sudo room / east bay mesh are working on a low bandwidth disaster recovery mesh project based on software defined radios. We're prototyping with a combination of USRP1 and RTL-SDR devices and GNU Radio. We're having some issues getting the receivers to demodulate our data streams (using DQPSK and QAM modulation). Does anyone have experience with such matters and if so, would you sit down with us and help debug our setup (or even join the project)? Willing to meet at either noisebridge or sudo room. We'll bring the food and beer. -- Marc Juul

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Apple's new fingerprint ID and the 5th amendment

by Jonathan levin

Hey Sudo, Interesting article in WIRED about the possible legal implications of using biometric methods of data protection. http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/09/the-unexpected-result-of-fingerprint-a… Enjoy! JDL

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Encryption Class Starts today, Study Group on Thursday

by Gregg Horton

Starts today! https://www.coursera.org/course/crypto We will meet up on thursday to go over this weeks material. 6-7pm at the SudoRoom!

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Awesome Wednesday drop in

by Romy Snowyla

What an amazing Wednesday drop in. There were all these new people talking non stop in some kind of amazing math amazing ness The Noisebridge people were there too and they were doing cross pollination I felt all these multi cultural ethnic tolerant vibes as people emerged from the public school. What genuine passion! Sudo room is just amazing And then I walked down the street past the amazing burger joint. There is an amazing taco place and all this amazing culture and nightlife . It's just all so positive. How truly inSpiratiknal Sent from my iPhone

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Hacker exchange program + Knownodes

by dor garbash

Dear Sudoers, Thank you all so much for hosting me, I'm already making plans towards a second visit :) Being the first guest of the hacker exchange program, I'm passing the torch - anyone interested in to be hosted by me and the CRI in Paris? Just drop me a line. Regarding Knownodes, we have already began a concrete collaboration: The development of the public API for Knownodes, initiated by Matt: https://github.com/CyberCRI/KnowNodes/issues/56 Interested in contributing with the API, or other aspects of the project? Here are a couple of ways to contribute if you're interested: * Help with code, design or communication by joining a hackathon we will be organising in November. The hackathon will happen in an old monastery in the french countryside that has been converted into an anarchist workplace for artists and hackers. It's as awesome as it sounds, and I might be able to subsidise travel and staying costs. * Help spread the word by organising a Knownodes workshop to map a problem, an open question or a project. I will help you out with workshop material, advice feedback etc'. * If you wish to stay informed about the project join our list. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/knownodes And don't forget: http://i.imgur.com/CyQKlTC.gif Health and happiness, Dor -- Get some insight of what makes me tick: My twitter <https://twitter.com/#!/garbash> Knownodes blog <http://knownodes.tumblr.com/> Dor Garbash 108 Rue du faubourg du temple, Paris 75011 +33-652919878

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Fwd: THURS. AM! Put new trash bins inside!

by Matthew Senate

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 9:53 PM Subject: THURS. AM! Put new trash bins inside! To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>, Bay Area Public School Organizing < bayareapublicschool-organizing(a)googlegroups.com> Hi matt/Jenny, can you please fwd this to SUDO-discuss? Sudoers/BAPS ppl: 1. NEW TRASH BINS are being delivered by Waste Mgmt to the alley tomoro (Thursday) sometime (prolly in the AM). IF YOU SEE THEM, PLEASE BRING THEM INSIDE ASAP..or we will be charged! 2. Also, excess trash has tonight been double-bagged, duct-taped, left with a note asking ppl not to go thru it, and put in the alley for W.M. to pick up. (See attached.) IF TOMORO YOU NOTICE THIS TRASH HAS BEEN EXPLODED all over the alley, please either: clean up! Or: call me, 415-430-8362. Thanks!

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Missing Backpack

by Marc Juul

Hi sudoers. I'm missing my black / dark blue eastpak backpack. Let me know if you see it. -- Marc

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Re: [sudo-discuss] SUDO/BAPS Trash service starts TOMORROW AM

by Matthew Senate

Wonderful!!! On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hear ye, hear ye. > > Tomorrow Thursday 9/12, in the alley behind the building, Waste Management<https://www.wm.com/myaccount/> will > drop off the following bins for SUDO and BAPS use between 6am-6pm (but > probably in AM): > > 1x 96gal garbage bin ($88.38/mo) > 1x 96gal recycling bin ($11.09/mo) > 1x 64gal compost bin ($9.00/mo) > > Total: ~$108.47/mo > (i could have some of the cents wrong, as he told me quickly over the > phone, also didnt ask about taxes or any other miscellaneous/extra > potential fees) > > Our weekly pickup schedule: Every Thursday AM. Put out WEDS EVE. > Where to leave bins (for the time being): the alley behind 2141. > > Tomoro, when they drop off the bins, they will also pick up extra raunchy > trash that has built up, at $5/bag. I told them there is at least 3 bags. > WE WILL HAVE TO PUT THAT OUT THERE TONIGHT. The stuff that is in the hall.. > > Business name given: SUDO Room. > Address given: 2141 Broadway, 2nd Floor, Oakland 94612 > Ph# (presently, mine): 415-430-8362. > Email (presently, mine): dkeenan44(a)gmail.com > W.M. account #: will be generated tomorrow AM for us. Not ready yet. > Online account #: still waiting for our account # to be generated. Then > will register online. > Payment: Check, online, or phone (phone costs $8 for some reason.). They > take debit. > > I chatted with the Sound Room guy, Robert, and verified Waste Management > has a key to the building's storied trash room the Sound Room uses, and > that there should be space for our bins too. So, I am emailing George and > Laurie about access to this trash room, as we do not have the option of > locking our trash bins individually, so that they won't be gone through and > made a mess of blah blah blah. > > ---------------------- > Also. What goes in the NEW recycling bin: > > It is 'SINGLE STREAM' Recycling (all recyclables are mixed in together): > Acceptable: > GLASS: > - Glass bottles and JARS > PLASTIC: > - HARD Plastic bottles and tubs: (narrow necked containers #2-7; wide > mouth containers #2,4,5) > METAL: > - Aluminum cans and foil > - Aerosol cans (empty) > - Steel or tin cans > - Scrap metal UP TO 10LBS ONLY > PAPER: > - Computer/Office paper, Newspaper, Magazines, Catalogs, junk mail, Phone > books, > - Cardboard boxes FLATTENED; Paper towel & toilet paper tubes > - Milk cartons & Drink juice boxes > - Carbonless paper > - Egg cartons (paper only), Shoe boxes > - Envelopes (plastic windows okay) > - Grocery bags (paper only) > > Unacceptable: > NO Incandescent or florescent light bulbs > NO Packaging peanuts > NO Bagged Plastic bags and wrap > NO Styrofoam containers or Styrofoam packaging > NO Window panes > > >

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The Simple Street Sign Protocol

by Thomas Levine

The Simple Street Sign Protocol (SSSP) is a communications protocol used to orient humans to their location within a street grid. http://thomaslevine.com/!/street-sign-protocol (This is what happened after Marina and I talked about protocols!)

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Fwd: Solar Hackathon this Weekend...Sign Up!

by Romy Ilano

Looks like this solar hackathon is up SudoRoom's alley! *From:* Cassi Wright <cwright(a)sfun.biz> *Date:* September 10, 2013 at 4:19:10 PM PDT *To:* undisclosed-recipients:; *Subject:* *Solar Hackathon this Weekend...Sign Up!* *Solar Hackathon - It's Time to Shine! * *Are you a talented developer, designer, or have an interest in solar energy? * *Then come join us for the 2nd Annual SfunCube Solar Hackathon! * *This coming weekend!* *Sept 13 (6pm) - 15 (12pm), 2013 * *Oakland, CA* http://solarhackathon.challengepost.com/* * SfunCube is an incubator and accelerator for solar entrepreneurs. SfunCube is hosting a Solar Hackathon that brings innovative programmers, hardcore designers, and brilliant business minds together for 36 hours to develop ways to accelerate solar adoption. Participants will build web-based solutions that make it easier, more efficient, and more enjoyable for people to power their lives with sunshine. The Solar Hackathon is the place to: 1. **Get to know people with similar interests and bring your idea to life. 2. Network* *with industry leaders from the solar world. 3. Have fun and do what you love while changing the world! *Are you in? Register here. <http://solarhackathon.challengepost.com/> We look forward to seeing you there...* Did we mention $4,000 in cash prizes? Hack on, The SfunCube Team -- Cassi Wright Solar Hackathon Manager, SfunCube <http://sfuncube.com/> 55 Harrison Street, Suite 300 | Oakland, CA 94607 cwright(a)sfun.biz <emily(a)sfun.biz> | 415-342-9311 (m) www.sfuncube.com

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calendar and common room reminders

by Matthew Senate

Hey all, If you have an event at sudo room, please be sure it's on the calendar. If the event needs to use the common room, use the "common room" tag so it shows up here: https://sudoroom.org/calendar/tag_ids:147/ Let me know if you need help with this (or anyone else who is a site admin, there are lots). Thanks, Matt

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preparing for PCR / μC hack night

by Hol Gaskill

To anyone attending tonight's combo event, I'm planning to grab a bite to eat and possibly (well...definitely) a pint before the meetup tonight, starting in about an hour and then heading to sudo around 7:45. If others care to join for pre-hack refreshments just email back or call/text me 210.387.7521. Open to all nearby venues, with a slight preference for Luka's due to billiards access. cheers, hol

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Amazing

by Romy Snowyla

I'm amazed at the wonderful consensus based decision making I see at Sudo room. How challenging to meet all these various issues! It's amazing how so many smart people work together to resolve it all in a non heir archical and communal way Looking forward to the meeting tomorrow, maybe might enjoy Mexican dining options in Oakland and even catch up on people's outdoor hiking adventures Nice logo too and what incredible political causes full of integrity Sent from my iPhone

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FREE:LAST MINUTE INVITE TO SF New Tech- Event is SOLD OUT so you must text me in order to get you added to my list

by Liberty Madison

415.937.3785 Text/Talk About.me/LibertyMadison <http://about.me/LibertyMadison> #ThatTechGirl <http://www.instagram.com/LibertyMadison> is @LibertyMadison<http://www.twitter.com/libertymadison> Founder and Host @LifewTechnology <http://www.twitter.com/lifewtechnology>:Translating Tech </to> Talk OPRAH.com Next TV Show Host TOP 40 Finalist www.LibertyMadison.com<http://www.libertymadison.com/> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Liberty Madison <liberty(a)libertymadison.com> Date: Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:34 PM Subject: LAST MINUTE INVITE TO SF New Tech- Event is SOLD OUT so you must text me in order to get you added to my list To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org 9.10: SF New Tech : Brian Solis & WTF?, AT&T, Scoop.it, Fiverr, PandaDoc, WebKite, Totango, more! <http://www.eventbrite.com/event/8004414419> Tuesday, September 10, 2013 from 5:30 PM to 11:00 PM (PDT) 9.10: SF New Tech : Brian Solis & WTF?, AT&T, Scoop.it, Fiverr, PandaDoc, WebKite, Totango, more! *Mighty @ 119 Utah, SF, CA* 119 Utah St San Francisco, CA 94103 415.937.3785 Text/Talk About.me/LibertyMadison <http://about.me/LibertyMadison>

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Fwd: Learn to be an urban farmer- in a parking space

by Marina Kukso

upcoming talks of more and less relevance to sudoers. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: swissnex San Francisco <swissnex_San_Francisco(a)mail.vresp.com> Date: Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM Subject: Learn to be an urban farmer- in a parking space To: marina.kukso(a)gmail.com <http://cts.vresp.com/fbl?2c4de6df8a/d0f4d9a38e/http%3A%2F%2Fhosted-p0.vresp…> <http://cts.vresp.com/ts?2c4de6df8a/d0f4d9a38e/http%3A%2F%2Fapi.addthis.com%…> <http://cts.vresp.com/ls?2c4de6df8a/d0f4d9a38e/http%3A%2F%2Fapi.addthis.com%…> ** Urban Gardening, Startups on Steroids, and Futures of the Book<http://hosted.vresp.com/1431383/2c4de6df8a/578639185/d0f4d9a38e/> Learn to be an urban farmer- in a parking space! September 10, 2013 [image: Tom Strala]<http://cts.vresp.com/c/?swissnexSanFrancisco/2c4de6df8a/d0f4d9a38e/d293d71b…> Tom Strala Lecture at CCA *Sep 10, 2013 at 7:00 pm* Swiss architect Tom Strala discusses his practice in San Francisco. 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LAST MINUTE INVITE TO SF New Tech- Event is SOLD OUT so you must text me in order to get you added to my list

by Liberty Madison

9.10: SF New Tech : Brian Solis & WTF?, AT&T, Scoop.it, Fiverr, PandaDoc, WebKite, Totango, more! <http://www.eventbrite.com/event/8004414419> Tuesday, September 10, 2013 from 5:30 PM to 11:00 PM (PDT) 9.10: SF New Tech : Brian Solis & WTF?, AT&T, Scoop.it, Fiverr, PandaDoc, WebKite, Totango, more! *Mighty @ 119 Utah, SF, CA* 119 Utah St San Francisco, CA 94103 415.937.3785 Text/Talk About.me/LibertyMadison <http://about.me/LibertyMadison>

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Fwd: [Wikimedia-SF] Shaping SF Public Talk: Radical Archiving and Cataloging as Social History

by Matthew Senate

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Luis Villa <lvilla(a)wikimedia.org> Date: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:06 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-SF] Shaping SF Public Talk: Radical Archiving and Cataloging as Social History To: San Francisco Bay Area Wikimedians <wikimedia-sf(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Possibly of interest to folks here: http://www.shapingsf.org/public-talks/ Wed. Sept. 25, 7:30 pm (in the Mission, details at the URL) Radical Archiving and Cataloging as Social History What role do nontraditional archives play in the preservation and interpretation of peoples' history? This open discussion will explore some of the opportunities and challenges of radical repositories. Some of the issues that will be addressed include: What defines a radical archive? What can be productive relations between community-based or independent archives and more established (and establishment) institutions? What tools and processes are making it easier to document, catalog, and share oppositional cultural objects? What is the role of ordinary people in building useful collections? Speakers: Lincoln Cushing is a professional archivist responsible for Docs Populi - Documents for the Public, documenting and disseminating social justice poster art. He is also archiving consultant with the Oakland Museum of California helping to process the All Of Us Or None poster collection. Claude Marks is the Director of The Freedom Archives, a political, cultural oral history project, restoration center, and media production facility in San Francisco. Nathaniel Moore is an archivist at the Freedom Archives. He has a MA in African Studies and a MS in Library and Information Science from the University of Illinois. -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 NOTICE: *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf

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happy friday everyone!

by Romy Ilano

Happy Friday to SudoRoom! May everyone have a great First Friday, enjoying all the nice dining options in downtown oakland. There are so many great art events going on, and small children too. Good luck to Gregg on his awesome show at the RPS Collective. May all your political causes be fruitful. (^_^)

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Fwd: Re: Incident Saturday

by Craig Rouskey

— Craig J. Rouskey contact(a)craigrouskey.com http://www.craigrouskey.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Craig Rouskey" <craigrouskey(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Incident Saturday To: "Gregg Horton" <greggahorton(a)gmail.com> > The space is awesome, close to Bart, etc. I think we should continue to document these issues and contact the Oakland tenants union (oaklandtenantsunion.org) to find out our rights. If there is no documentation from police that says SudoRoom did any of this, and we continue to document landlord harassment via OTU, then I think we'll have protection should he attempt to evict. > > > Craig > — > Craig J. Rouskey > contact(a)craigrouskey.com > http://www.craigrouskey.com > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Gregg Horton <greggahorton(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> Can we PLEASE have a sudo taskforce that is on-going that attempts to >> look for a next space? I would gladly participate, i'm really sick of >> reading about such abusive behavior. The space is FAR from an ideal >> space, and having an ongoing search would make incidents like these seem >> less dire. >> On 9/9/13 2:52 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote: >>> Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the community deserves >>> to know that this happened. >>> >>> Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom was vandalized. I feel >>> confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there is no way to >>> know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls creating what >>> appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely faithful renditions >>> but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them. >>> >>> I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL Saturday around noon. >>> Our landlord George showed it to me. He was understandably upset, both >>> about having to clean up the mess and also about the symbolism. His >>> father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted. I also was not >>> happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad Vashem. >>> >>> Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into another tirade in which >>> nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done by a Sudoroom >>> member. There was a clear path of association that went: Sudoroom -> >>> anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested that a kid from >>> Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But mostly he accused >>> Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in this conversation, >>> he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was personally >>> responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it myself. I actually >>> found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole event. Not even >>> offensive, just downright traumatic. >>> >>> There was the usual fare of yelling about money and society and his >>> inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me that he was >>> evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that Laurie would >>> prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He told me that >>> Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors for the rest of >>> the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat them up!" I told >>> him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for 2:00, please >>> don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In short, the rant >>> was a mix of old and new. >>> >>> Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our other landlord - she >>> is George's wife and they own the building equally. The way he talked >>> to her during this rant was very revealing, because she also became a >>> target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days notice already >>> prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that attracted >>> Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of his other >>> tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her, including that she was >>> nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a divorce from her. >>> >>> She just stood there quietly saying nothing, holding their dog on a >>> leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry you have to see >>> this." After a while, when George left the room, she apologized to me. >>> She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he just gets that >>> way when his buttons are pushed." >>> >>> They ended up not leaving for a couple hours. Initially George refused >>> to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it because he wanted >>> to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would show up to >>> investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of his other >>> tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for things like this, >>> the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please let's just clean >>> it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left. >>> >>> I'm not really sure how to wrap up this email. Writing it was >>> difficult. You will have to draw your own conclusions. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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math and data literacy

by Mike Schachter

Hi Sudoroom! I'm moving towards creating a free program for math and data literacy and want to find interested volunteers and students. I'd like to gradually work out some pilot classes in Sudoroom and Noisebridge, probably alternating between each space, ideally on Wednesday evenings at first. I was wondering if I could come in to the weekly meeting this next Wednesday and feel things out to see what people think, being as I've never been to sudoroom yet. Would that be ok? mike

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drupal database for seed library needs debugging

by refugia

Any help on this it would be greatly appreciated. Please pass it on if know folks who might be interested. This database could greatly improve seed libraries. -Patrick https://drupal.org/sandbox/niccolo/2083829 Experimental Project This is a sandbox project, which contains experimental code for developer use only. Bay Area Seed Interchange Library BASIL Seed Library module / Feature as created by Quilted.coop as far as I can tell, has a few bugs needing fixing and perhaps some workflow changes am actively seeking a co-maintainer on this project ultimately will be used on Open Outreach based site for BASIL www.basilseedlibrary.com

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you are represented!

by J Clark

SudoRoom, You are represented here! https://www.eventbrite.com/event/6920335911 Join a few San Leandrans and your homie Eddan Katz to hear about Open Spaces that Spark Innovation. j.

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Open Source PCR Hack Night - 7pm Tues 10th Sept in Downtown Oakland (Sudo Room)

by Ryan Bethencourt

Dear All, We are VERY pleased to be able to announce the first of our Open Source DIY Bio lab equipment hack nights: The Open Source PCR hacknight. The upcoming hack night will be focused on building an open source PCR, we currently have a prototype which cycles but if you have a PCR you're working on please feel free to bring it as well and work alongside us and please feel free to invite friends and also forward to anyone you may feel is interested! This event will be run in conjunction with OMGBio and the Micro Controller Hack night (run by Hol) at Sudo Room. The overview of the evening will include: Principles of PCR Principles of Temperature Control Aims are to get temperature cycling of 1C per second with accurate measurements at the current rated power http://www.meetup.com/Berkeley-Biolabs/events/138849342/ We'll be using Peltier for cooling and we'll be using Nicrom wire for heating (although this is up for discussion). If you have any questions please feel free to contact Ryan, Marc or Hol! All the best, Ryan -- -- Ryan Bethencourt Tel:(415) 825 2705 ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com <mailto:ryan.bethencourt@gmail.com> @ryanbethencourt www.bamh1.com <http://www.bamh1.com/> www.linkedin.com/in/bethencourt <http://www.linkedin.com/in/bethencourt> www.logos-press.com/books/biotechnology_business_development.php <http://www.logos-press.com/books/biotechnology_business_development.php>

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Fwd: Children

by Matthew Senate

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> Date: Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:02 PM Subject: RE: Children To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> Hi Matt-**** I received your note and drafted a response that night, but didn’t mail it out because I wanted to make sure George has nothing to add first. You will have it this weekend. The number one concern (before even anything else) is that WE are not insured for this and have received no evidence of coverage from your group either. At this point everybody who has any visitors on a regular basis MUST have insurance coverage with us as named insureds, and we at this point need to enforce that. Next on the list are permitting related issues from the City of Oakland for children to be allowed in any kind of day care setting, and also arrangements that will need to be made by your group (and the School too) to take care of janitorial during and immediately after any group activities being held there. This is not necessarily inclusive, but a start. We can discuss the possibility of this happening (allowing children in eventually), but not until these and other issues are fully addressed. I apologize for the miscommunications on both sides that caused George to get upset about this and perhaps act too heated, but it was not without reason (given that he assumed that the communications had been disbursed), and for the time being we need to start with the insurance issue because it looks like that will be required because of all of the traffic whether children are able to use the space eventually or not.**** Sorry, I worked on the email and saved it and was waiting for George to have time to look at it. The first month always keeps us both hopping and we only pass like ships in the night!**** Laurie**** ** ** ** ** *From:* Matthew Senate [mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, September 06, 2013 1:38 PM *To:* Laurie Cooperman Rosen *Subject:* Re: Children**** ** ** Laurie,**** ** ** Please let me know when you have a chance to read our note, even if you are unable to respond immediately.**** ** ** Thanks, Matt**** ** ** On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:**** Hi Laurie, **** This week George addressed a group of folks in the common area outside of Sudo Room and the Public School regarding the presence of minors in the building. His behavior was confrontational, hostile, loud, and very upsetting to many of those who were present, including some parentally-accompanied minors. There has unfortunately been a series of miscommunications about this issue, and we are dedicated foremost to resolving it amicably. **** First, thank you for communicating the building's policies on minors via email. Unfortunately, due to a lapse in our own internal communication, the contents of your email were not conveyed sufficiently to the relevant sudo room members before Wednesday of this week. Please understand this was a lapse in communication that has been rectified. **** Secondly, since early June, every Tuesday evening parent-supervised minors have attended sudo room. We provide no supervision services for minors. In fact, we provide no services to customers (we don't have customers) as we are a membership association. It was unclear that this event was specifically of any concern since it followed the requirement of supervision by parents. We are willing to meet the necessary requirements to ensure that you and George are provided with the appropriate advanced notification of any planned future sudo room events involving supervised minors and their parents. It is relevant to note that in the past we have allowed accompanied minors to be in the "Art Room" and not use common space, but in recent instances the common room has been used as well. Further, since we are interested in being as accessible as possible to different communities and demographics, we would like to clarify what opportunities there might be (through city services, insurance, waivers, etc.) for minors to be in the building in ways other than those outlined in your email. **** Thirdly, regarding the damage to the bathroom you discuss in your email, we understand your concerns and are sorry that it happened. We have raised awareness in hopes of preventing instances like this from happening in the future. While we are happy to take shared responsibility for ensuring the bathrooms are clean and usable, we want to communicate that we are not aware of any evidence that the minors who have been at sudo room were responsible for the damage. We fully support your desire to keep all parts of the space (including the bathrooms) vandalism-free, clean, and usable, so we have made all sudo room members aware of this incident, reinforced the expectations surrounding bathroom cleanliness, and reiterated the policy that children should not use bathrooms unaccompanied. Please let us know if you encounter any problems with the bathrooms in the future so that we can take appropriate action. However, we also ask for understanding that if there are problems with a shared space in the building, that absent specific evidence, sudo room may not have been the source of a particular problem. **** Finally, we would like to share with you a few of our expectations as lessees that we hope will help us continue to stay in this building that we have been very happy to rent for the last 9 months: **** Our Expectations: **** * That issues with our use of common space or our use of our rented "Art Room" be conveyed in writing, with disrespectful confrontations being completely unacceptable, in any circumstances. **** * Consistent with Sudo Room standards, that minors continue to be able to participate at Sudo Room, provided they are accompanied by parents or a legal guardian. **** * To work together with you as we grow, which requires we be accessible to more communities and demographics. **** * To consider options for mitigating liability through additional insurance, waivers, etc.**** Thanks, Matt**** ** ** ** **

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Fwd: Help us help the animals!

by Marina Kukso

hi everyone, immediate but short term animal volunteer opportunity for a computer-literate person. this is from lauren, who is a totally amazing oaklandwikian and works at an animal shelter in oakland. please reply to her directly, or if you have any questions, feel free to email me. - marina ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lauren Briskin <Lauren(a)hopalong.org> Date: Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:53 PM Subject: Help us help the animals! To: "marina.kukso(a)gmail.com" <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> Hey Marina, **** ** ** We’ve got a Super Last Minute volunteer opportunity for techies who want to help animals! Hopalong rescues dogs and cats and once a year we hold a fundraiser called Furball. This year we’re using a software that’s new to us called Greater Giving and, while it’s probably going to be a super easy job for computer people, it’s over our heads. Basically, we need someone to set up the WYSIWYG internal website and then serve as the point person for the other volunteers using the software. **** ** ** Thank you so much for sharing this around- I’m hoping to get someone started as soon as possible so we can get back to the business of saving lives. Corny, but so true!**** ** ** Cute kitten picture included :)**** ** ** Lauren**** ** ** **** ** ** Lauren Briskin**** ** ** Volunteer Coordinator**** Hopalong Animal Rescue**** www.hopalong.org**** ** ** w. 510.267.1915 x103 f. 510.444.3741**** ** ** Those who can, do.**** Those who can do more, volunteer.**** ** ** Current Volunteer Opportunities <http://hopalongvolunteers.blogspot.com/>!** ** ** ** www.facebook.com/HopalongRescue**** @hopalongrescue <http://www.twitter.com/hopalongrescue>**** ** **

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1st Friday - Roll Call

by J.C.

Hey all, just curious who all might be come'n out for 1st Friday. I'm gearing up the S.S. Hack Life Boat https://sudoroom.org/wiki/File:SS_Hack_Lifeboat.jpg and will be rolling it towards sudo this afternoon, equipped with some sound and such, think'n about mooring near the alley and/or "sudo square", and should have enough juice to do a couple of cruises as well. -- ThanX, ;+) https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Fort

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Banning Ariel from Sudoroom

by Yardena Cohen

This is formal notice that Ariel has not respected our conflict resolution process and is not welcome at the space. If seen, she should be asked to leave. This temporary ban will be in place until next week's meeting (Wed Sep 11 7pm), during which time any Sudoer has a chance to object. If nobody objects, the ban is permanent. For background, she's been witnessed: * assaulting a sudoer, scratching his face * stealing money from donation jars, twice * kicking in a car window on the street In addition to other generally antagonistic, disrespectful and threatening behavior. She's been asked and/or forced to leave on about four separate occasions by four separate groups of people. The landlord is also aware of her and prepared to back you up in removing her. As usual, calling the police should be a very last resort.

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children at SudoRoom

by Romy Ilano

It is unfortunate that the landlord is having issues with children. Maybe we can find some kind of legal way to resolve this issue? Children add greatly to the atmosphere at SudoRoom. They are part of the community and even more of our future than the tech we work on. To date I have not seen any out of control Children at SudoRoom throwing or breaking things. They are usually accompanied by parents. I can see a slight issue with the alcohol, but maybe there can be some legal way to work around this. I feel great knowing that everyone is working hard on this matter.

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