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Re: [sudo-discuss] my experiences with "crime" in oakland [part 1 of ?]

by Chris Bee

You're right. You might get it again, hang on... I posted this earlier....it may seem somewhat out of context but I think it finishes well (or is at least relevant to the conversation)- "Except that it doesn't work this way. Based on what I've seen and experienced as a Oakland resident for the past 15 years, you're proposing putting another 300 well-armed and connected thugs on the street to deal with violent crime. Doesn't matter which side the thugs are on, they're going to do what they're going to do....aside from a few exceptions to the rule it's all they know how to do, and when they're operating under the color of public mandate really nasty things can happen. I've dealt with enough cops in different situations to know that at the end of the day they're simply another gang. Best to avoid them altogether and take care of yourself...that means not looking conspicuously wealthy (or easy to rob) in certain parts of town without acknowledging some level of personal risk. To do anything less is the height of irresponsibility and entitlement." For the record, I am a rapidly approaching 40 yo larger bodied male of fairly light complexion. I prefer to not align with any race or sexuality because I think it's arbitrary...I'm concentrating on being the best human I can be, and I think setting labels aside could help me get there. Or not. Time will tell, I suppose. I was robbed at gunpoint by two kids in 2006...it didn't happen because I was white and they were black, it happened because I was visibly drunk and they were opportunistic. Since then I have made it a point to not look like someone who would be worth robbing, as far as a) what I may be carrying b) my awareness of my surroundings and c) and how much potential I have to turn the tables on the situation. The first two ANYONE can do. The latter, maybe not so much...it has to do with how you carry yourself in certain situations. In other words- if you look shook you look like a much easier target. But if you look like you're on point and like you might be willing to dish out a little more than someone who wants to fuck with you, then you will generally be left alone. As far as what Rhodey said about helping sudoers helping sudoers avoid shitty situations of this nature, I can offer one huge piece of advice- most strong arm robbery happens near BART stations and transit hubs, so be especially aware when you're near one. That means paying attention to who is near you and what they're doing. Do NOT walk down the street chatting on your iPhone at 1 am in front of groups of strangers....almost every holdup story I've heard over the last few years started off this way, and there's absolutely no reason why it should. I should add that since embracing those three guidelines I have felt safer living in Oakland than anywhere else I've lived (and I've lived in a lot of different places). I definitely feel safer here than I did growing up in Millbrae....that may sound strange to some of you, but try being a freaky looking queer teenager there and tell me how that works out for you. I had WAY more stress there than I ever had in Oakland....had I known then what I know now I would have moved here a lot sooner. In short, at the end of the day YOU are responsible for your own safety. Not the cops, not Oakland at large. So be safe out there. -chrisbee On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:18 PM, rhodey <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org> wrote: > Just a heads up, this wasn't CC'd to the list which is what I assume you > intended to do :) > > -- > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙ > > On 11/18/2013 09:14 PM, Chris Bee wrote: > > I posted this earlier....it may seem somewhat out of context but I think > > it finishes well (or is at least relevant to the conversation)- > > > > "Except that it doesn't work this way. Based on what I've seen and > > experienced as a Oakland resident for the past 15 years, you're > > proposing putting another 300 well-armed and connected thugs on the > > street to deal with violent crime. Doesn't matter which side the thugs > > are on, they're going to do what they're going to do....aside from a few > > exceptions to the rule it's all they know how to do, and when they're > > operating under the color of public mandate really nasty things can > > happen. I've dealt with enough cops in different situations to know that > > at the end of the day they're simply another gang. Best to avoid them > > altogether and take care of yourself...that means not looking > > conspicuously wealthy (or easy to rob) in certain parts of town without > > acknowledging some level of personal risk. To do anything less is the > > height of irresponsibility and entitlement." > > > > For the record, I am a rapidly approaching 40 yo larger bodied male of > > fairly light complexion. I prefer to not align with any race or > > sexuality because I think it's arbitrary...I'm concentrating on being > > the best human I can be, and I think setting labels aside could help me > > get there. Or not. Time will tell, I suppose. > > > > I was robbed at gunpoint by two kids in 2006...it didn't happen because > > I was white and they were black, it happened because I was visibly drunk > > and they were opportunistic. Since then I have made it a point to not > > look like someone who would be worth robbing, as far as a) what I may be > > carrying b) my awareness of my surroundings and c) and how much > > potential I have to turn the tables on the situation. The first two > > ANYONE can do. The latter, maybe not so much...it has to do with how you > > carry yourself in certain situations. In other words- if you look shook > > you look like a much easier target. But if you look like you're on point > > and like you might be willing to dish out a little more than someone who > > wants to fuck with you, then you will generally be left alone. > > > > As far as what Rhodey said about helping sudoers helping sudoers avoid > > shitty situations of this nature, I can offer one huge piece of advice- > > most strong arm robbery happens near BART stations and transit hubs, so > > be especially aware when you're near one. That means paying attention to > > who is near you and what they're doing. Do NOT walk down the street > > chatting on your iPhone at 1 am in front of groups of > > strangers....almost every holdup story I've heard over the last few > > years started off this way, and there's absolutely no reason why it > should. > > > > I should add that since embracing those three guidelines I have felt > > safer living in Oakland than anywhere else I've lived (and I've lived in > > a lot of different places). I definitely feel safer here than I did > > growing up in Millbrae....that may sound strange to some of you, but try > > being a freaky looking queer teenager there and tell me how that works > > out for you. I had WAY more stress there than I ever had in > > Oakland....had I known then what I know now I would have moved here a > > lot sooner. > > > > In short, at the end of the day YOU are responsible for your own safety. > > Not the cops, not Oakland at large. So be safe out there. > > > > -chrisbee > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, rhodey <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>> wrote: > > > > There is a class of discussions I feel comfortable having on a public > > mailing list and a class of discussions I feel more comfortable > having > > in person. While I agree that race and age are relevant factors in > being > > the target of crime, the target discussion is not a discussion I'm > > interested in having or intended to spur. > > > > What I'm more interested in exploring is the preventative measures > that > > can be taken to decrease crime at the society level and how Sudo Room > > can lend a hand. > > > > -- > > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙ > > > > On 11/18/2013 08:17 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote: > > > no way man! your age/ race / gender is super relevant I think for > > how at > > > risk you are for being hassled, and in what way. > > > I think gender is the most important. Super crazy people and > females > > > will rob ladies, but crazy people, females AND healthy, red-blooded > > > American bullies will rob boys. I would bet $70 that the three > > times you > > > were robbed, if I had walked by that corner instead of you, your > > robbers > > > would have said "hey girl, can I go w chu"? to me and I would not > have > > > been robbed. > > > > > > I also think it gets less fun to rob men as they get older. > > > > > > David - you're black, do you have any info on the relative safety > from > > > mugging of black women and men? > > > I would expect the same dynamic to play out - it's not that fun to > rob > > > women, it's not as cool of a story. What about the relative safety > of > > > black and white men? I think white men and women imagine they > would be > > > safer in a black neighbourhood if they were black, but I don't > believe > > > that. I'm pretty sure the main victims of black criminals are other > > > black people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM, rhodey <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>>> wrote: > > > > > > I am sincerely sorry that I've made you uncomfortable. It was > my > > > intention to share an experience that better helped me > understand > > > motivations for crime, not an experience with other ethnic > groups. > > > > > > Retrospectively I'd rather not have answered the last question > > because > > > it wrongly places focus elsewhere. > > > > > > -- > > > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙ > > > > > > On 11/18/2013 07:50 PM, David Barthwell wrote: > > > > To all the people sharing fun stories and uplifting > > anecdotes about > > > > encountering black people in Oakland: Let's not forget that > > there are > > > > actually some on this list. In fact, I'm one of them! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM, rhodey > > <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>> > > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh yes, it is worth noting that I'm a white male in his > > early 20s. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙ > > > > > > > > On 11/18/2013 07:12 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote: > > > > > this reminds me of a comment I overheard on the bus > when I > > > lived in st > > > > > louis: > > > > > "I'm getting that government money man, fuck street > > money, it > > > > ain't even > > > > > worth it." > > > > > > > > > > ps are you a boy or a girl? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, rhodey > > > <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > >> > > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>>> > > > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>> > > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Receiving and contemplating the perspectives of > others > > > is one > > > > of my > > > > > favorite ways to burn metaphorical CPU cycles. The > > level of > > > > respect I > > > > > show for differing perspectives is something I > hope to > > > never be > > > > > content with, that is to say I believe it's an > endless > > > process > > > > and I'm > > > > > still working on it. I have a tendency to keep my > head > > > stuck in > > > > > projects and have realized is that I've been > > holding out on > > > > sharing > > > > > many of my most valued perspectives, more > > specifically my > > > > experiences. > > > > > It is my hope that through sharing experiences we > > can better > > > > > understand how to conduct ourselves within Sudo > > Room and how > > > > we Sudo > > > > > Room can better conduct ourselves within our local > > > community. > > > > > > > > > > I arrived in the "bay area" May 1st by way of some > > > airport in New > > > > > England, in search of hackers, activists and > > uncomfortable > > > > > experiences. After subletting an apartment in the > > > mission for > > > > all of a > > > > > month I moved to West Oakland. Since arriving in > > Oakland > > > I've been > > > > > robbed three times, to me each experience has been > > > indescribably > > > > > educational in its own way. However, my first > > crime related > > > > experience > > > > > in Oakland was not a crime at all. > > > > > > > > > > There is a corner store within ~6 minutes walking > > > distance from my > > > > > apartment by West Oakland BART called Happy Times. > > To me > > > it is > > > > usually > > > > > a liquor store, but this day I felt like working > > through the > > > > night so > > > > > I bought 2 large redbull energy drinks. Walking > home > > > holding the > > > > > redbull as best I could in one hand I passed two > > > African-American > > > > > youths, one female, one male and both no older > > than 17. We > > > > passed each > > > > > other and at this time I was about 20" from home > > then from > > > > behind me I > > > > > heard "hey man, can I get a redbull?". > > > > > > > > > > I turned around to face the two of them with a bit > > of a > > > guilty > > > > smile > > > > > on my face, after all who the fuck really needs > > 32oz of > > > redbull? > > > > > Caffeine, other energy drinks, productivity and I > all > > > get along > > > > > swimmingly, all the better if I can help someone > > else get > > > > things done. > > > > > "Sure" I said, followed by "make good use of it" > in an > > > attempt > > > > to make > > > > > the situation more casual. I walked up and handed > > him the > > > > redbull, his > > > > > face lit up, he went nuts. > > > > > > > > > > **and I quote** "Oh man! Asking is so much better > than > > > stealing!" > > > > > > > > > > The smile stayed on his face as he continued > > celebrating, > > > > exclaiming > > > > > all possible iterations of the above statement as I > > > stood their > > > > > dumbfounded. This continued for minutes until we > > parted > > > ways, > > > > up the > > > > > stairs and into the house I could still hear him > > talking > > > with his > > > > > friend. > > > > > > > > > > This was certainly not the first time he'd been > > told of this > > > > > sentiment, but after ~17 years of living it was the > > > first time > > > > he had > > > > > ever believed it. There are at least 3 other > > experiences I > > > > would like > > > > > to share in time, but for now I'll leave it at > this. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> > > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>>> > > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> > > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>>>> > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>>> > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto: > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:18 PM, rhodey <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org> wrote: > Just a heads up, this wasn't CC'd to the list which is what I assume you > intended to do :) > > -- > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙ > > On 11/18/2013 09:14 PM, Chris Bee wrote: > > I posted this earlier....it may seem somewhat out of context but I think > > it finishes well (or is at least relevant to the conversation)- > > > > "Except that it doesn't work this way. Based on what I've seen and > > experienced as a Oakland resident for the past 15 years, you're > > proposing putting another 300 well-armed and connected thugs on the > > street to deal with violent crime. Doesn't matter which side the thugs > > are on, they're going to do what they're going to do....aside from a few > > exceptions to the rule it's all they know how to do, and when they're > > operating under the color of public mandate really nasty things can > > happen. I've dealt with enough cops in different situations to know that > > at the end of the day they're simply another gang. Best to avoid them > > altogether and take care of yourself...that means not looking > > conspicuously wealthy (or easy to rob) in certain parts of town without > > acknowledging some level of personal risk. To do anything less is the > > height of irresponsibility and entitlement." > > > > For the record, I am a rapidly approaching 40 yo larger bodied male of > > fairly light complexion. I prefer to not align with any race or > > sexuality because I think it's arbitrary...I'm concentrating on being > > the best human I can be, and I think setting labels aside could help me > > get there. Or not. Time will tell, I suppose. > > > > I was robbed at gunpoint by two kids in 2006...it didn't happen because > > I was white and they were black, it happened because I was visibly drunk > > and they were opportunistic. Since then I have made it a point to not > > look like someone who would be worth robbing, as far as a) what I may be > > carrying b) my awareness of my surroundings and c) and how much > > potential I have to turn the tables on the situation. The first two > > ANYONE can do. The latter, maybe not so much...it has to do with how you > > carry yourself in certain situations. In other words- if you look shook > > you look like a much easier target. But if you look like you're on point > > and like you might be willing to dish out a little more than someone who > > wants to fuck with you, then you will generally be left alone. > > > > As far as what Rhodey said about helping sudoers helping sudoers avoid > > shitty situations of this nature, I can offer one huge piece of advice- > > most strong arm robbery happens near BART stations and transit hubs, so > > be especially aware when you're near one. That means paying attention to > > who is near you and what they're doing. Do NOT walk down the street > > chatting on your iPhone at 1 am in front of groups of > > strangers....almost every holdup story I've heard over the last few > > years started off this way, and there's absolutely no reason why it > should. > > > > I should add that since embracing those three guidelines I have felt > > safer living in Oakland than anywhere else I've lived (and I've lived in > > a lot of different places). I definitely feel safer here than I did > > growing up in Millbrae....that may sound strange to some of you, but try > > being a freaky looking queer teenager there and tell me how that works > > out for you. I had WAY more stress there than I ever had in > > Oakland....had I known then what I know now I would have moved here a > > lot sooner. > > > > In short, at the end of the day YOU are responsible for your own safety. > > Not the cops, not Oakland at large. So be safe out there. > > > > -chrisbee > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, rhodey <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>> wrote: > > > > There is a class of discussions I feel comfortable having on a public > > mailing list and a class of discussions I feel more comfortable > having > > in person. While I agree that race and age are relevant factors in > being > > the target of crime, the target discussion is not a discussion I'm > > interested in having or intended to spur. > > > > What I'm more interested in exploring is the preventative measures > that > > can be taken to decrease crime at the society level and how Sudo Room > > can lend a hand. > > > > -- > > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙ > > > > On 11/18/2013 08:17 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote: > > > no way man! your age/ race / gender is super relevant I think for > > how at > > > risk you are for being hassled, and in what way. > > > I think gender is the most important. Super crazy people and > females > > > will rob ladies, but crazy people, females AND healthy, red-blooded > > > American bullies will rob boys. I would bet $70 that the three > > times you > > > were robbed, if I had walked by that corner instead of you, your > > robbers > > > would have said "hey girl, can I go w chu"? to me and I would not > have > > > been robbed. > > > > > > I also think it gets less fun to rob men as they get older. > > > > > > David - you're black, do you have any info on the relative safety > from > > > mugging of black women and men? > > > I would expect the same dynamic to play out - it's not that fun to > rob > > > women, it's not as cool of a story. What about the relative safety > of > > > black and white men? I think white men and women imagine they > would be > > > safer in a black neighbourhood if they were black, but I don't > believe > > > that. I'm pretty sure the main victims of black criminals are other > > > black people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM, rhodey <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>>> wrote: > > > > > > I am sincerely sorry that I've made you uncomfortable. It was > my > > > intention to share an experience that better helped me > understand > > > motivations for crime, not an experience with other ethnic > groups. > > > > > > Retrospectively I'd rather not have answered the last question > > because > > > it wrongly places focus elsewhere. > > > > > > -- > > > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙ > > > > > > On 11/18/2013 07:50 PM, David Barthwell wrote: > > > > To all the people sharing fun stories and uplifting > > anecdotes about > > > > encountering black people in Oakland: Let's not forget that > > there are > > > > actually some on this list. In fact, I'm one of them! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM, rhodey > > <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>> > > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh yes, it is worth noting that I'm a white male in his > > early 20s. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙ > > > > > > > > On 11/18/2013 07:12 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote: > > > > > this reminds me of a comment I overheard on the bus > when I > > > lived in st > > > > > louis: > > > > > "I'm getting that government money man, fuck street > > money, it > > > > ain't even > > > > > worth it." > > > > > > > > > > ps are you a boy or a girl? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, rhodey > > > <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > >> > > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>>> > > > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>> > > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org> > > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org > > <mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Receiving and contemplating the perspectives of > others > > > is one > > > > of my > > > > > favorite ways to burn metaphorical CPU cycles. The > > level of > > > > respect I > > > > > show for differing perspectives is something I > hope to > > > never be > > > > > content with, that is to say I believe it's an > endless > > > process > > > > and I'm > > > > > still working on it. I have a tendency to keep my > head > > > stuck in > > > > > projects and have realized is that I've been > > holding out on > > > > sharing > > > > > many of my most valued perspectives, more > > specifically my > > > > experiences. > > > > > It is my hope that through sharing experiences we > > can better > > > > > understand how to conduct ourselves within Sudo > > Room and how > > > > we Sudo > > > > > Room can better conduct ourselves within our local > > > community. > > > > > > > > > > I arrived in the "bay area" May 1st by way of some > > > airport in New > > > > > England, in search of hackers, activists and > > uncomfortable > > > > > experiences. After subletting an apartment in the > > > mission for > > > > all of a > > > > > month I moved to West Oakland. Since arriving in > > Oakland > > > I've been > > > > > robbed three times, to me each experience has been > > > indescribably > > > > > educational in its own way. However, my first > > crime related > > > > experience > > > > > in Oakland was not a crime at all. > > > > > > > > > > There is a corner store within ~6 minutes walking > > > distance from my > > > > > apartment by West Oakland BART called Happy Times. > > To me > > > it is > > > > usually > > > > > a liquor store, but this day I felt like working > > through the > > > > night so > > > > > I bought 2 large redbull energy drinks. Walking > home > > > holding the > > > > > redbull as best I could in one hand I passed two > > > African-American > > > > > youths, one female, one male and both no older > > than 17. We > > > > passed each > > > > > other and at this time I was about 20" from home > > then from > > > > behind me I > > > > > heard "hey man, can I get a redbull?". > > > > > > > > > > I turned around to face the two of them with a bit > > of a > > > guilty > > > > smile > > > > > on my face, after all who the fuck really needs > > 32oz of > > > redbull? > > > > > Caffeine, other energy drinks, productivity and I > all > > > get along > > > > > swimmingly, all the better if I can help someone > > else get > > > > things done. > > > > > "Sure" I said, followed by "make good use of it" > in an > > > attempt > > > > to make > > > > > the situation more casual. I walked up and handed > > him the > > > > redbull, his > > > > > face lit up, he went nuts. > > > > > > > > > > **and I quote** "Oh man! Asking is so much better > than > > > stealing!" > > > > > > > > > > The smile stayed on his face as he continued > > celebrating, > > > > exclaiming > > > > > all possible iterations of the above statement as I > > > stood their > > > > > dumbfounded. This continued for minutes until we > > parted > > > ways, > > > > up the > > > > > stairs and into the house I could still hear him > > talking > > > with his > > > > > friend. > > > > > > > > > > This was certainly not the first time he'd been > > told of this > > > > > sentiment, but after ~17 years of living it was the > > > first time > > > > he had > > > > > ever believed it. There are at least 3 other > > experiences I > > > > would like > > > > > to share in time, but for now I'll leave it at > this. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> > > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>>> > > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> > > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>>>> > > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>>> > > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org> > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>> > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sudo-discuss mailing list > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto: > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > >

12 years, 2 months

Rally this Tue. 11/19: Against Oakland's Planned Surveillance Center! 5:30pm at City Hall!

by Marina Kukso

Call to Action: Pack city hall & rally to stop the Domain Awareness Center in Oakland. (Please forward widely) Oakland City Council is building a surveillance center to aggregate video surveillance feeds from all over Oakland. The Domain Awareness Center<http://oaklandwiki.org/dac>(DAC), as it's called, will include a computer system that aggregates information from surveillance cameras and license plate readers across Oakland, and in the future may include facial recognition software and social media data mining. On Tuesday 11/19, City Council will be voting on a resolution that will allow them to move forward with a new contractor for the project (after the old contractor was found to violate an Oakland law that prevents the city from doing business with companies that are in the nuclear weapons industry) without issuing a new request for proposal (RFP). If the resolution fails, Oakland will have to issue a new RFP & potentially lose Dept of Homeland Security funds for the center. The NY Times<http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/technology/privacy-fears-as-surveillance-…>made the DAC national news, as similar centers are being considered in other cities. There's an opportunity to halt or slow down the construction of the DAC this Tuesday evening, so please join a planned rally at 5:30 and/or come to the City Council meeting itself. Meetings are open to the public & you can even sign up to speak<http://www2.oaklandnet.com/Government/o/CityClerk/s/SpeakerCard/SpeakerCard…>(DAC is item #20). For more info: On the rally: https://www.facebook.com/events/409163039209928/?ref_dashboard_filter=upcom… email actionforprogress @gmail.com) On the DAC: http://oaklandwiki.org/DAC On twitter: #DAC || @oaklandprivacy <http://twitter.com/oaklandprivacy> <actionforprogress(a)gmail.com>

12 years, 2 months

Dance at death guild night with Sudo and noisebridge

by Romy Ilano

Hey everyone :: would you like to have an epic goth night with sudoroom && noisebridge together at death guild tonight? Let's get out dance out , wear lots of make up and talk shop. I always prefer meetings where people can move instead of sitting still ...

12 years, 2 months

BREW SUBIIR THIS TUESDAY -> (! / ?) ?

by Morten H. D. Fuglsang

Hey all, I want to get Subiir brewing started again, for three main reasons: - get some kick-ass brew out there to get donations to sudoroom - get better at brewing - and most importantly,* to equip more people to brew with the Subiir setup.* *Tomorrow, Tuesday the 19th happens to be a good day to brew. 6pm to 11pm (it's okay to not be there the full session). If you are down, let me know!*If noone can join I won't host, due to reason #3. I would get all materials for 8 gl of California-style pale ale and have everything ready to start at 6pm. We can be done in 5 hours, meaning having the brew tapped into fermenters and have everything cleaned up. So its 5 hours of learning about brewing, getting "certified" to brew Subiir, and having a good time - let's have dinner and drink beers during the session. Of course, the session will be free because it's about beer. Make a great week, Morten

12 years, 2 months

Public School Meeting about The Omni, THIS THURSDAY, 11/21 @ 7PM

by DZ Brazil

Dear Friends : The Public School is meeting to discuss the possibility of collective acquisition of The Omni space this Thursday, November 21 at 7PM at 2141 Broadway. We'd like to invite all our Sudo Room friends & comrades to join us at this meeting -- if we are going to move ahead on this project we're going to have to start getting together to talk about it ! Hope to see you there -- Love & solidarity -- David Brazil ________________________________ From: "sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org" <sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org> To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:20 PM Subject: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 13, Issue 31 Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org You can reach the person managing the list at sudo-discuss-owner(a)lists.sudoroom.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Did your weekend start with a flat tire? (Morten H. D. Fuglsang) 2. Re: "Today We Learned": Weekly Colearning Sat. Afternoons 2-5PM Starting this Sat. 11/16 (Marina Kukso) 3. Help me with my desks (Thomas Levine) 4. Re: Phuckin' Phylean - Art Murmur After Party/Proposal/Planning/Properly/Promoter/Perhaps (johanna faust) 5. Re: Meeting Notes 11-13-13 - Juice and Paranoia in Sudoland (johanna faust) 6. missing insulation for 3d printer extruder (Jake) 7. Re: forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings (Patrick Schmidt) 8. Conflict Resolution Proposal and Conflict Awareness 1, 2 and 3 (Patrick Schmidt) 9. Re: Dealing with funding (Hol Gaskill) 10. This Monday 18th is Techno Activism Third Monday, San Francisco -- with Morgan Mayhem, Laurie Penny, Jillian York, 6PM, EFF HQ (Danny O'Brien) 11. Re: Dealing with funding (The Batkid) 12. Re: Dealing with funding (David Keenan) 13. Re: Dealing with funding (Jenny Ryan) 14. Re: Dealing with funding (Hol Gaskill) 15. 5MOF call for speakers this Thursday! (Danny O'Brien) 16. Fwd: This Wednesday: Grassroots Financing teach-in (Vicky Knox) 17. Live demo refuting quantum mechanics, invitation (fwd) (Jake) 18. Rally this Tue. 11/19: Against Oakland's Planned Surveillance Center! 5:30pm at City Hall! (Marina Kukso) 19. Fwd: important mail (David Keenan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:40:07 -0800 From: "Morten H. D. Fuglsang" <vallebo(a)gmail.com> To: "sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org" <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Did your weekend start with a flat tire? Message-ID: <CALbJKfPwAmQ2NOAcriAN1LmK6A1mOCah21S6eaenir+g4d3pZQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Then come to Biketopia's second annual bike drive, TODAY! From 2 to 6 pm. 1752 Alcatraz. Free bike check-up, snacks, drinks - while supporting your friendly neighbourhood community bike workshop. See you there! :) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Biketopia <colin.moss(a)biketopiaworkshop.org> Date: Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:18 AM Subject: Second Annual Fall Bike Drive! To: morten(a)biketopiaworkshop.org You're invited to our Second Annual Bike Drive Fundraiser! View this email in your browser<http://us6.campaign-archive1.com/?u=7124c935e2da35aff97f9602d&id=26c7c05769…> [image: Biketopia Bike Drive Flyer] Biketopia's Second Annual Fall Bike Drive is sponsored in part by the following local businesses ... Sweet Adeline Bakery Gecko Gecko Thai California Eatery Manifesto Bicycles Oakland Missing Link Cooperative East Bay Bicycle Coalition The New Parkway Bart Bike Station Downtown Berkeley Bike Link Next time you're in one of these businesses, thank them for helping us out! *Copyright ? 2013 Biketopia Community Workshop, All rights reserved.* Your are receiving this email because you are a member of Biketopia or you signed up at the shop. *Our mailing address is:* Biketopia Community Workshop 1752 Alcatraz St Berkeley, Ca 94704 Add us to your address book<http://biketopiaworkshop.us6.list-manage1.com/vcard?u=7124c935e2da35aff97f9…> unsubscribe from this list<http://biketopiaworkshop.us6.list-manage1.com/unsubscribe?u=7124c935e2da35a…> update subscription preferences<http://biketopiaworkshop.us6.list-manage.com/profile?u=7124c935e2da35aff97f…> [image: Email Marketing Powered by MailChimp]<http://www.mailchimp.com/monkey-rewards/?utm_source=freemium_newsletter&utm…>

12 years, 2 months

Live demo refuting quantum mechanics, invitation (fwd)

by Jake

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hello friends of Unquantum, I am doing a live demonstration of the gamma-ray unquantum effect that refutes the photon model of light. It will be at the Chit-Chat Cafe, 5 West Manor Dr, tomorrow Monday night November 18th and Monday night November 25th at 6 to 7:30 PM. The poster for the event and details of this work are at http://www.unquantum.net This issue is important even if you are not a physicist. Not all of you are "friends of unquantum;" some are foes. Some of you will think this unquantum effect is impossible, so this is your chance to see it for yourself. I will video the event to post on Youtube, and will field all questions and feedback. Please forgive me for the following: This is a mass mailing and not personalized. I only do these mailings for important events. I may have sent some of you this notice earlier. The poster on my website has me with my electric guitar. I did it that way to appeal to a wide audience. I will also play a musical instrument I made at the end of the event. For some of you it is a long drive, but I reviewed my list and did not want anyone to feel left out. Each event will be unique but each will demonstrate gamma-rays defying the photon model. If you know anyone who would be interested I hope you will please inform. Thank you for your interest. Eric Reiter Unquantum Laboratory http://www.unquantum.net Pacifica, CA, 94044 650 738 9255

12 years, 2 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] Dealing with funding

by The Batkid

> Would like to return to the idea that we should be generating other revenue > streams into the picture of whatever standardized reporting format we choose. The simplest, most efficient, and most rewarding revenue stream is if members sign up for auto pay of their membership dues. That's really all there is to it.

12 years, 2 months

[sudo revenue] It is almost time - Sudouino Microcontroller

by Hol Gaskill

OK Folks, We've been talking about selling electronics kits as a revenue source basically since forever. I've been going back and forth on a design concept and am converging on one that achieves the folowing compared to other Arduino clones: A) lower cost B) more power C) increased hackability basically the controller chip hooked straight up to an array of 7x 500mA power transistors, with a heavy duty voltage regulator of voltage range selectable at time of purchase I am heading to sudo in a few minutes to draft a design for the first generation board, schematics of which which I'll send out in about an hour. If anyone is around sudo or near email and wants to collaborate, I'm using http://fritzing.org/download/ software which I just installed last night but seems to err on the side of being easy to use. Working capital requirements for this will not be very prohibitive, but I think a Kickstarter campaign would be a good way to get enough to bring costs down even further, not to mention get the word out. Who's good at those? I'll do the legwork, just need some tips&tricks. Cheers, Hol

12 years, 2 months

Fwd: important mail

by David Keenan

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> Date: Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM Subject: RE: important mail To: David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> No, David, I DO mean 2145 Broadway. The physical location is 2141 Broadway, but the mailing address should show as 2145 Broadway, Suite #9. That might have something to do with the mail problems. There is no box for 2141 Broadway. That said, most of the mail delivery people know to put it in the 2145 Box, and if it actually gets into the kitchen mailbox which is 2143 next to ours the kitchen folks put all mail that isn’t for them into ours, which is Box B closer to the building; however there is a fair amount of turnover and a lot of idiots out there, and it’s probably much harder to do commercial delivery than residential (which, as I noted before, I always feel safer directing mail to our home). Laurie *From:* David Keenan [mailto:dkeenan44@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2013 4:05 PM *To:* Laurie Cooperman Rosen *Subject:* Re: important mail Laurie, Thank you for letting us know our suite number. Can I confirm you really mean 2141 Broadway, not 2145 Broadway? As we were told 2141 Broadway was our address, and this is what we have been using for all our correspondence and event information. If in fact we have an entirely different legal address, that seems rather important to know - Best, David On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> wrote: Hi David No, it mostly gets tossed if it looks like junk mail, or marked return to sender or address unknown-return to sender if it looks important. At the beginning we got oodles of them all addressed to individual names of people from the original whole-floor tenant, but as we started renting out to individuals and small groups we knew the names of those folks. But over a 10-year period when we see certain company names or #s, such as T1 over and over again but can’t find anybody fessing up to using that name, we recognize and toss those that we have been seeing for many years. I have never seen anything addressed to the name Niki Shelly personally, but I’ll let George know to keep an eye out for that name, and he would remember if he recently saw something for it and will get back to you. Yes, if they address it to 2145 Broadway, Suite 9, we will know that it is for Bay Area Public School. The Sudo Room should be known as the “Art Suite” or “Art Room”. Most suites or very large officer have numbers, but a few have names taken from the former University Tenant --i.e. Robert Wenzel’s is known as “The Cave”, the suite at the top (to the right as you walk up) of the 2141 stairs is the “Library Suite” and the suite next to the ADA bathroom is the “Presidential Suite” (it used to be occupied by the president of University Creation of Spirituality who had the whole floor, and the Library Suite was really their Library); The Cave was their meditation room, the large front space off of your common area was really the “Conference Room” and the space where The Sudo Room was was really the room where they did all of their Art Projects! Laurie *From:* David Keenan [mailto:dkeenan44@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:27 PM *To:* Laurie Cooperman Rosen *Subject:* Re: important mail Thanks Laurie. It might possubly be addressed to 'Niki Shelley', a main organizer at our school, so do look out for that name. I wonder if there is a suite number for the bay area public school room? Adding this to our official address might clarify to you and George what mail is ours, i.e., in the event mail is adressed to individuals at the school rather than the school itself, which will no doubt occur, if it hasnt already. Do you have any mail for which you dont know where it goes? If so can we see that stack? Thank you, David On Friday, November 15, 2013, Laurie Cooperman Rosen wrote: Hi David- It comes to a mailbox downstairs in front of the Sound Room/Kitchen, and we would put it under your door. I collected the mail yesterday and there was nothing at all for Bay Area Public School. Let me know if there is any other unrecognizable name that it might come to and we’ll keep an eye out for it. It will be put directly under your door once we get it. Laurie *From:* David Keenan [mailto:dkeenan44@gmail.com <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>] *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 7:58 AM *To:* George; Laurie Cooperman Rosen *Cc:* Matthew Senate; niki; DZ Brazil *Subject:* important mail Good morning George & Laurie, The Bay Area Public School is expecting some very important mail (which should have already come) and I realize I actually have no idea where our mailbox is! Where does our mail get delivered? We need to check it today, and also every business day from hereon out. If there is a key to wherever it gets delivered, we'll need that asap, too - Thank you both kindly, David

12 years, 2 months

Fwd: This Wednesday: Grassroots Financing teach-in

by Vicky Knox

Yet another relevant event put on by the Sustainable Economies Law Center.. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Christina(a)theSELC.org" <christina(a)theselc.org> Hey friends, I'm sending you an event announcement because at some point you've asked me questions about or expressed interest in crowdfunding, creative small business finances or something related. So I thought you might be interested to know that this Wednesday evening my colleague and I are running a little teach-in on legal issues pertaining to "grassroots financing strategies, or in other words, investment crowdfunding campaigns. The teach-in will take place at the Alchemy Collective Cafe's new location on Alcatraz Ave in South Berkeley. We're so excited to be partnering with an awesome new local worker cooperative to organize this and future events. See this eventbrite for more info and to register. There's no required registration fee, but because we're a small nonprofit we gladly accept donations via the eventbrite registration and at our events. Feel free to share the invite with other people. -Christina Christina Oatfield (415) 828-5627 mobile

12 years, 2 months

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