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by Gregg Horton

for those interested: https://www.facebook.com/events/439926452746883/ Also we (the sound art meetup group) would love to do an event for art murmur on april 5th, anyone into helping us? it would be performances from the meetup.

12 years, 11 months

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by Marina Kukso

rest of the day!

12 years, 11 months

Fwd: [open-science] Citizen Science Open Technical Workshop on Google+ Hangout

by Marina Kukso

hi friends, thought some of you may be interested. - marina ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Daniel Lombraña González <teleyinex(a)gmail.com> Date: 2013/1/28 Subject: [open-science] Citizen Science Open Technical Workshop on Google+ Hangout To: open-science <open-science(a)lists.okfn.org>, okfn-labs < okfn-labs(a)lists.okfn.org> Dear all, It's our pleasure to invite you to join the* Citizen Science Open Technical Workshop* to be held next *Wednesday 30th January 16:00 CET* virtually using Google Hangout. You can attend the meeting and send all your comments in this *Youtube channel <http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbkYEbbo8qMYbA3P5iLanGw> *or this twitter account <http://twitter.com/SOCIETIC_EU>. During 2 hours we'll have expert's talks and open discussions about technologies such as BOINC, Bossa, PyBossa, Furnivall, Ourgrid and others, with the focus on developments, administration issues and use cases. Speakers are: David Anderson (Univ. Berkeley <http://www.ssl.berkeley.edu/>), Daniel Lombraña (CCC <http://www.citizencyberscience.net/>), Francisco Sanz (BIFI <http://bifi.es/>), Eduardo Lostal (Ibercivis<http://www.ibercivis.es/>), Francisco Brasileiro (Univ. Fed. Campina Grande<http://www.lsd.ufcg.edu.br/>), Candida Silva (Univ. Coimbra <http://www.uc.pt/fctuc/dquimica/rbritolab>), Juanjo Molinero (software developer). The workshop is co-organized by the Ibercivis Foundation and the Society as Infrastructure for e-Science <http://www.societic-project.eu/>project funded by the European Commission under FP7. Looking forward to see you there! -- ·························································································································································· http://daniellombrana.es http://www.flickr.com/photos/teleyinex ·························································································································································· Por favor, NO utilice formatos de archivo propietarios para el intercambio de documentos, como DOC y XLS, sino PDF, HTML, RTF, TXT, CSV o cualquier otro que no obligue a utilizar un programa de un fabricante concreto para tratar la información contenida en él. ·························································································································································· _______________________________________________ open-science mailing list open-science(a)lists.okfn.org http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-science Unsubscribe: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/open-science

12 years, 11 months

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by Marc Juul

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12 years, 11 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] Freedom of Information requests

by Deborah Acosta

Eddan: Here, let me help to make it easier. I've attached a City RFP issued in 2006, the final report issued by the consultant and the final staff report that resulted from four years of work on the city wide wi-fi project. The stories I could tell you. Ultimately, the report found that the City's fiber infrastructure was inadequate to implement such a project - and the City Council didn't "get it" anyway. The next story is about the public/private partnership (City, IP Network and Cisco) that applied for a federal ARRA grant in 2010 to build a $35 million fiber optic network throughout the City. Didn't get the grant. Then my subsequent efforts to pick up the pieces (see attached Executive Summary and powerpoint completed 2 weeks before I left in June 2011). No one has picked up this project since I left. See Mark - you just have to ask the right person!!! Call me if you have questions. Work wasn't wasted - San Leandro has hired me to become its first Chief Innovation Officer to represent Lit San Leandro and create a tech business development strategy in that City. Debbie Deborah V. Acosta Principal, iDOTconnect Co-Chair, 2.Oakland Tel: (510) 508-7926 Email: <mailto:dacosta@iDOTconnect.net> dacosta(a)iDOTconnect.net Web: <http://www.idotconnect.net/> www.iDOTconnect.net Web: <http://www.twopointoakland.com> www.twopointoakland.com Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/TwoPointOak> https://www.facebook.com/TwoPointOak From: Eddan Katz [mailto:eddank@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Eddan Katz Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:57 AM To: mark burdett Cc: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org; Susan Mernit; Deborah Acosta Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Freedom of Information requests Mark - I think it would be useful to bring in Susan Mernit & Deborah Acosta, both of whom are on this list as far as I know, who were around for these discussions at the time. Susan, of Oakland Local, has also had extensive and successful experience with FOI requests with the City of Oakland. sent from eddan.com On Jan 24, 2013, at 6:51 PM, mark burdett <mark(a)510pen.org> wrote: Hmm as would I :) We'll need to figure out which office(s) to send it to, and what type of documents to request. Let me know if you have any ideas re: how to phrase the request - I'll also talk to some lawyer folks. --mark B. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)eddan.com> wrote: I would be interested in learning more about discussions within municipal leadership about previous attempts to introduce Open WiFi to Oakland. On Jan 21, 2013, at 12:06 PM, mark burdett <mark(a)510pen.org> wrote: Hi, if anyone is interested in making a Freedom of Information request to a local/state/federal government agency, I have some surplus credits on https://www.muckrock.com/ - a website which makes it pretty easy to send and track FOI requests online. Just email me off-list and I can submit a request for you. Maybe could be useful for Oakland Wiki or other projects folks are working on? Note, sometimes agencies refuse to send documents and you have to file a lawsuit (but hey, you might win a million dollars 10 years later), or they want to charge exorbitant fees for documents - e.g. https://muckrock.s3.amazonaws.com/foia_files/Ltr_-_1-17-13.pdf - but sometimes you can get what you're looking for free of charge.. --mark B. _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

12 years, 12 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] Proposed changes to the Conflict Resolution Process

by Eddan Katz

I've lost track of what we're talking about, but I think we should all be equipped with Sudo Sporks (knife-spork) - the butcher, the baker, and the candle-stick maker especially. If all three are in conflict with each other, by the way, it may curiously be less of a problem and rather the ideal scenario for cooperation. A team of rivals, with deliberate separation of powers, can sometimes be the best way to get through a delicate challenge, like with the 13th amendment for those who've seen Spielberg's Lincoln. sent from eddan.com On Jan 24, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Deno Vichas <deno(a)syncopated.net> wrote: > spoons? but don't most of us fork? > > > > On 1/24/2013 6:23 PM, Anca Mosoiu wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Deno Vichas <deno(a)syncopated.net> wrote: >>> >>> On 1/24/2013 6:13 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote: >>>> I think that, while the Constable should not actually do any mediation, just documentation and communication of what's documented, it makes sense to have someone else act as Constable in a case where the Constable is in the conflict. Defaulting perhaps to an uninvolved volunteer, then Scribe, then Facilitator. >>> but what if the constable, the scribe, and the facilitator are in conflict with each other? >> >> They should duke it out using spoons, rubber chickens, and the world's dwindling supply of Hostess Twinkies. >> >> Anca. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Deno Vichas <deno(a)syncopated.net> wrote: >>> >>> On 1/24/2013 6:13 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote: >>>> I think that, while the Constable should not actually do any mediation, just documentation and communication of what's documented, it makes sense to have someone else act as Constable in a case where the Constable is in the conflict. Defaulting perhaps to an uninvolved volunteer, then Scribe, then Facilitator. >>> but what if the constable, the scribe, and the facilitator are in conflict with each other? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> The Constable should be encouraged, but not required, to come from a race of shapeshifters, or one regarded as gods by another, or to possess either or both of those attributes by other means, and to be brusque of manner and exceptionally shrewd. >>>> >>>> On Jan 24, 2013 5:44 PM, "Yardena Cohen" <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I enthusiastically support a more formal and clearer and well >>>>> constructed conflict resolution process, even though I'm not sure how >>>>> I feel about the details yet, and thank you Andrew for the initial >>>>> brain dump! >>>>> >>>>> I like the idea of a point-person for conflict resolution but worry >>>>> about having just one, because what happens when someone has a >>>>> conflict with them? For instance, I'd volunteer for mediation in some >>>>> conflicts but I have had my own conflicts with people in the Sudoroom >>>>> community so I don't know if I'd be eligible in all cases, nor would >>>>> anybody. >>>>> >>>>> I do like the title "Constable" because it reminds me of Odo in Deep Space Nine. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >> >> -- >> -=-=-=- >> Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal >> anca(a)techliminal.com >> M: (510) 220-6660 >> http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

12 years, 12 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] Straw Polls

by Eddan Katz

I agree in this particular case and in fact admit to unintentionally participating in stifling a straw poll because my comment was understood as an objection. I was merely trying to introduce a note of caution into asking who would be willing to pay for something and how much, given how some people could really be turned off by that kind of peer pressure, however well-meaning. I do however hesitate to be absolute about it, or unconditional. Bad faith consensus blocking has been discussed at Sudo Room many times, and I would hope that the process we go with could not be exploited as such. sent from eddan.com On Jan 24, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yea, totally, straw polls should be friction free. This would have saved like 15-30 minutes of talking about nothing yesterday. > > -Jehan > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: > I totally agree. > > In addition, I think that there should be some rules around making official proposals, for example that there must reasonable time to bring up clarifying questions and to make comments before bringing it to an official vote. There by making a clear distinction between sraw poll and proposals. > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I was frustrated last night by the repeated suppresion of straw polls, and meta-processing around whether members should even be able to call for a straw poll about specific things. > > I would like to propose that we add to the compact that any meeting participant, when they are on stack, is unconditionally allowed to call for a straw poll. The other participants can then either yea, nay, or abstain. I think this will make the process more smooth. > > -jehan > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 > http://roshambomedia.com > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

12 years, 12 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] Proposed changes to the Conflict Resolution Process

by Eddan Katz

How about Safe Space Steward? Just to keep the process moving, not to judge - as i understand Anthony's suggestion. Such a person would keep issues from escalating to the whole group, and would bring clarity to when it would be appropriate to move from mediation stage to group conflict resolution due to inability to resolve informally. It was my impression that a big chunk of the controversy last night was whether or not alternative solutions were exhausted. If that transition is made more transparent and effective with a 'buck-stops-here' Safe Space Steward functionary position, I imagine people would feel more confident in the process. This person could also make sure that something is done rather than lingering (intentionally or not) when the group does make a decision. I also am in favor of figuring out ways to implement the safe space framework embedded in the kernel of our social norms. Maintaining level-headed discussion on the topic, as has been practiced on this list so far from my perspective, also seems worth preserving somehow structurally. Yardena's draft does seem like a great place to start, as was mentioned again at the meeting last night. sent from eddan.com On Jan 24, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The reason for this is that I think the process is failing not in its substance but just by being extremely disorganized, which has led to the flaws you sought to correct, such as poor communication, confusion about the facts, speculatively assuming intentions and motivations and consent from indirect evidence, gossiping around key questions rather than seeking clear answers from the relevant parties. > Thus there should be someone on point for organizing the process, just as there are for meetings and finances. > > On Jan 24, 2013 4:12 PM, "Anthony Di Franco" <di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am not suggesting that there be a specialized mediation group or designated mediator, rather that there be someone responsible for gathering all relevant information about the process together and communicating it to the mediator and conflicting parties, and group if needed, and keeping the process on track. > > On Jan 24, 2013 4:01 PM, "Andrew" <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: > Jehan: putting the situation with Timon aside, if there is good documentation about the steps that have been taken to reach out to both parties, and diligent information gathering has taken place and is documented, then the group should have enough information to the unfortunate step of making a decision on how to proceed without one of the parties present or participating. > > Talking about the situation with Timon in particular, this was not done. Hence the jab at me not being at the last two meetings. I should not have to have been at the last two meetings to meaningfully participate in a conflict resolution that has gotten to the point of needing group intervention. As a specific example I was a singular third party witness to one on the incidents in question, while it is partly my fault for not coming forward with my perspective early in the process, at no time was the conflict well defined enough and the process working enough for me to feel comfortable providing my point of view. I'm also concerned that at no time did either party reach out to me to provide more information. > > Anthony: I disagree. every conflict is unique and there is no way that a specialized mediation group can provide a balanced view on all conflicts. However I do think that it's import to establish regular education sessions around deescalation and conflict resolution. > > --Andrew > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote: > All of this is excellent and because for the most part these things were are conspicuously lacking, I would like to propose the creation of an additional office to be responsible for doing all these things, including as well stewarding the mediator and conflicting parties through the resolution process, documenting clearly and concisely that this is done and collecting together all relevant communications, and informing relevant parties at the appropriate steps in the process including the whole group when appropriate. Additionally this officeholder would co-facilitate with the facilitator during whole-group conflict resolution, prepare a written background brief for the whole group with all relevant documentation, and answer points of information that come up. > I propose to call this the office of the Judge Advocate General, and were it to be created, I would volunteer for it. > > On Jan 24, 2013 2:54 PM, "Andrew" <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote: > Hi, > > This is kind of a brain dump about our conflict resolution process. The proposal is that the following ideas be placed in to the Articles of Association under conflict resolution or in a addendum that deals specifically with conflicts. Mainly I'd just like to get the meta conversation started with the goal of making the sudo room the conflict resolution process go smoother. > > 1. All steps that have been taken in resolution to a specific conflict should be documented. Beginning with a full account of complaints (if any). > > 2. While we can't guarantee objectivity it is important that discussions during conflict resolution revolve around problems and facts and not people and assumptions. > > 3. State explicitly that the goal of conflict resolution is to build mutual respect and understanding. Every step in the process is taken with this goal in mind. > > I would also propose that while every conflict is unique, the following basic steps are strongly suggested as a framework to resolution whether with a mediator, between individuals, or if the group needs to intervene: > > Set The Scene: Establish the goals and values surrounding conflict resolution at Sudo Room. > > Gather Information: Gather facts about the situation from both sides and any third parties who have relevant information. Identify the issues. Listen. > > Brain Storm Solutions: Both parties are given a chance to come up with possible solutions to the defined problems. > > Negotiate Solutions: Come to a win-win solution that takes in to account the interests of both parties. If this is not possible the group must intervene and vote on a possible solution brought up in the brain storming process based on the voting schema already in the Articles of Association. > > > Thanks for reading, > Andrew > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 > http://roshambomedia.com > > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > > > > > -- > ------- > Andrew Lowe > Cell: 831-332-2507 > http://roshambomedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

12 years, 12 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] Freedom of Information requests

by Eddan Katz

I would be interested in learning more about discussions within municipal leadership about previous attempts to introduce Open WiFi to Oakland. On Jan 21, 2013, at 12:06 PM, mark burdett <mark(a)510pen.org> wrote: > Hi, if anyone is interested in making a Freedom of Information request to a local/state/federal government agency, I have some surplus credits on https://www.muckrock.com/ - a website which makes it pretty easy to send and track FOI requests online. Just email me off-list and I can submit a request for you. > > Maybe could be useful for Oakland Wiki or other projects folks are working on? > > Note, sometimes agencies refuse to send documents and you have to file a lawsuit (but hey, you might win a million dollars 10 years later), or they want to charge exorbitant fees for documents - e.g. https://muckrock.s3.amazonaws.com/foia_files/Ltr_-_1-17-13.pdf - but sometimes you can get what you're looking for free of charge.. > > --mark B. > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

12 years, 12 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] Farm Hack - sudo chapter? :)

by Eddan Katz

+1 (minus the growing up on a farm part) On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Michael Scroggins <michaeljscroggins(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I grew up on a farm, so maybe this is nostalgia speaking, but I am also interested. > > Anthony Di Franco wrote: >> >> I met a farmhack person at a work event Monday evening (I work at Clearbon which is Slow Money and Slow Food affiliated) and she suggested upon hearing about sudo room that sudo room have a look. And several of us are of the Open Source Ecology (.org) bent. >> >> So, yes. >> >> On Jan 24, 2013 10:24 AM, "Marina Kukso" <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> this seems relevant to the interests of our community! >> >> http://www.youngfarmers.org/practical/farm-hack/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

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