2 Oct
2022
2 Oct
'22
3:33 p.m.
I'm in favor of giving this proposal a chance. As Yar said, we can always
decide to revoke it again if it turns out not to work the way we like.
Patrik
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 3:27 PM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
Yes this is the case, messes need to be addressed and
accountability
assigned,
but I don't think it makes sense to suddenly grant the power to issue
"fines"
to a newly formed committee without having any context for the specific
need
for such a thing.
So far i've heard a lot of yelling that this is needed, and an accusation
that
the Omni Commons is too "laissez-faire" to function properly, implying that
what we really need is a police department with an iron fist. I am not
convinced.
Kent, as delegate I need to solicit peoples' positions on this upcoming
proposal so please be clear about how you want our position to be
represented.
-jake
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Why not just ask the messy groups to clean up
first? Kindness and
diplomacy
can go further. Give the messy group some time to
tidy up and move on.
If it¹s a real dysfunctional group that ignores multiple clean-up
requests,
then some sort of action by Omni could be taken.
-Kent
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From: Jake Watters via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org>
Reply-To: Jake Watters <typeinthenumber(a)gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:35 AM
To: <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org>
Subject: [sudo-discuss] [omni-consensus] Cleanliness Accountability
Committee proposal
> Hi Sudoroom,
>
> THIS IS IMPORTANT!
>
> The following proposal was brought to the delegate's meeting a couple
of
weeks
> ago, and tonight in the meeting it was
discussed.
>
> Since I had not been attending delegates meetings for some time, I
failed to
> forward this proposal to this list so that
sudoroom could discuss our
position
> on it.
>
> Since I am a Sudoroom member, I voiced my position through our delegate
(which
> is me) that I am against giving a committee
the power to levy fines
against
> omni collectives/tenants/people, especially
since we have not tried a
process
> of simple communication between a cleaning
collective and
representatives of
> collectives.
>
> Ultimately the other Omni delegates felt strongly about passing the
proposal,
> but they were willing to remove the provision
giving the new Committee
the
> ability to "impose a monetary
penalty" on groups or individuals they
> determined
> were guilty of being messy. The proposal was partially passed as seen
here:
>
> https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Event:2022/09/15_Delegates#cleanliness
> yar: if we approve the proposal but delay the fine enforcement until
after
our
> october 6 meeting, and require another
affirmative consensus
decision on
> october 6 to give them that fine
enforcement power?
> jake: is ok with that
> CONSENSUS: YES (CCL/Patrik ANV/Silver SUDOROOM/Jake FNB/Helen CLP/Billy
> MOP/Jacqi)
> ABSTAIN: (SUDOMESH/Camber)
> BLOCK: (none), PASSES!
>
> I personally think it's unreasonable to trust a newly formed Committee
with
> the power to, for example, determine that
Sudoroom is too messy and
issue
> "fines" of $50 per day until they
feel that we have satisfied their
standard,
> and I'm glad that the other delegates
were willing to remove this
provision
> even though they were technically capable of
overriding sudoroom's
objections.
>
> This provision is set to be reintroduced at the Delegate's meeting on
OCTOBER
> 6TH and Sudoroom needs to discuss our
position, in order for our
delegate to
> represent us at that meeting.
>
> Please see the link below for the proposed text of the new Committee
(same
> link
> is in the meeting notes above) and discuss the provision that's slated
for
> October 6th Delegate's meeting.
>
> -jake
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2022 06:08:55 +0000
> From: deskhandle <deskhandle(a)protonmail.com>
> To: consensus <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org>
> Subject: [omni-consensus] Cleanliness Accountability Committee proposal
>
> https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/edit/GcTDiTZqA3ao5+6hbaAuobdc/
>
> At the delegate's meeting tonight, we discussed a proposal formulated
by
the
> Events team which is linked above. This is a
draft proposal and
instructions
> for how to suggest edits are on top of the
doc. Please do not edit the
content
> directly.
>
> In short, it exists to create a new committee which will oversee the
> cleanliness of the space, design and implement new systems to do so,
including
> a monetary penalty for any space left out of
order for both shared
spaces and
> tenant spaces. If you're able to be an
active and dedicated participant
in
> that
> committee, please join us on Slack.
>
> This committee would also be able to spend some amount of Omni funds to
clean
> the space regularly and keep it at a level of
cleanliness that must be
> maintained for Omni to exist. Please check this out and get back with
any
> thoughts, concerns, suggestions before
it's voted on at the next
delegate's
> meeting.
>
> Billy
> Community Liberation Programs
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