19 Sep
2023
19 Sep
'23
1:03 p.m.
Just to bump this issue, the delegates are still talking about it and the one
group "CLP" are still trying to block TANC from moving in. The delegates are
emailing about this to try to quell the confusion around this issue, so now is
the time for Sudoroom (and all omni collectives) to meet and discuss it in
order to make sure that their delegate (me and/or Andy) can go forward into
the next delegates meeting (which might be sooner than normal) to discuss it.
Can people make it to an in-person meeting on Wednesday night at sudoroom? As
always there is the video link portal at this link, which connects you to the
room over video and audio (try it anytime)
https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles
Previous meeting notes: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meetings#Meeting_Notes_Archive
Wednesday night meeting at 8? Or thoughts about the situation described
below.
To be clear, I think the question is going to come up of voting to remove CLP
from Omni Commons, so we need to make it clear for our delegates what our
position is on that.
-jake
On Thu, 14 Sep 2023, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote:
Just to clarify, TANC has already been voted in
according to our bylaws:
https://omnicommons.org/pipermail/consensus/2023-September/004001.html
On Thu, Sep 14, 2023, 13:07 Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
Just to clarify, TANC is Tenants and
Neighborhoods Councils. They're a
local tenants union who helps organize renters to form unions in and
between apartment buildings to challenge rent increase or otherwise push
back against property managers. I reached out to them last year when I was
looking for advice in dealing with bad behavior by my property manager, and
attended one of their meetings. I support their work. https://baytanc.com
CLP is Community Liberation Programs:
https://www.communityliberationprograms.org/. I don't know much about
them, honestly. They organize programs around diverse socialist goals,
which sounds like something I'd completely support, but I think it's
misguided to block TANC from joining Omni, particularly on the charge that
they're not outspoken enough about Palestine. I don't think they've
provided any evidence for the claim, and it's also creating a lot of
conflict within Omni that seems super unproductive.
Especially because *Omni is facing foreclosure at the end of the year* if
we don't find a new lender. We need a strong financial base of support from
member collectives in order to convince a credit union to loan us money to
avoid losing the building. I don't want to pick a fight with CLP, but the
consensus process is meant to encourage discussion and persuasion, and
blocks are supposed to be used for matters of urgent necessity.
Filibustering a new collective's joining or using a block because you
haven't been successful persuading others is not a good-faith use of the
consensus process, imo. Which is why I think Sudo should endorse a proposal
to use the consensus-minus-one clause to proceed with inducting TANC into
Omni.
Does anyone disagree? If so, can you please offer a counter proposal to
resolve this dispute. If there is no block on the motion, then I believe
whoever represents Sudo at the next Thursday Omni meeting will register our
collective as being in support of the motion to disregard CLP's block on
TANC joining.
-Andy
<https://baytanc.com/>
*Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 8:44 PM Karissa McKelvey <krmckelv(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
There are a lot of acronyms here I have no idea
what's going on. but this
is exactly why consensus-1 exists
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:56 PM Z Silver Zahn via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
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I really thinks it’s inappropriate to ask an
organization that Omni
dosent have that much of a relationship to spend their energy looking into
who TANC is , what omni decision making model is etc. I hope CLP steps up
to these demands they imposed on PYM .
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:29 PM Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> I strongly, strongly endorse Yar’s proposal, and while I’m trying to
> take a break from Omni politics, I would be willing to make an exception if
> there’s anything I can do to help break this impasse.
>
> I am neutral on ejecting or suspending CLP. I’m happy to try and
> resolve things with them if they’re willing, but I wouldn’t mind seeing
> them go if they continue to demonstrate a lack of consideration for the
> consensus process. Tanc’s approval has taken far too long, imo.
>
> It’s frankly shitty to spend so much time denigrating and occupying the
> limited resources of a group that helps renters stay in their homes.
>
> Andy
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:20 PM Muirén Ní Sídach via sudo-discuss <
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>
>> I get the picture.
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