[sudo-discuss] Re: meeting notes from 2023-09-20

I don't know who Autonomous is or if they're a sudoroom member, but if you want to suggest we appoint a new delegate you can go ahead. That said, consider that understanding of Thursday's meeting is still evolving as people are realizing that demonizing Jake has been a main priority of Rafiq since I first questioned the politics CLP when they were applying to join Omni. Since it's pretty clear at this point that the interests of sudoroom (as discussed in our last meeting) come down to whether or not Rafiq gets his way, you should think about whether you're falling into his plans by piling onto me. You should ask the other delegates (not including CLP/BOGSS obviously) whether they think I should represent sudoroom at the next meeting. -jake On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 10:24 PM Andrew R Gross &lt;arg5029(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > This is so, so, ugly. > > We need to move forward. > > First item: Autonomous has proposed that we appoint a new delegate. Is > there anyone who is willing to be the delegate? > > > *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)* > 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org> > > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 1:29 PM Jake Watters via sudo-discuss < > sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:52 PM Paige P &lt;pgeplan(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> > even though the delegates (other than CLP of course) expressly agreed >>> that BOGSS was not in session to be able to block, you interpreted CLP >>> Danielle's vote to count. Blocking TANC. >>> >>> I don't think that's true... Joe said he was confused why we were >>> considering BOGSS vote earlier in the meeting but not at the end. Also >>> Patrick's proposal didn't pass. The last vote, and you can see in meeting >>> notes, was taken disregarding BOGSS' vote, like you wanted. (Not like I >>> wanted- I think that should have been decided clearly before voting. Which >>> it obv wasnt, all the comments afterwards affirmed that). >>> >> >> I don't think that's reflected in the meeting notes, which list CLP and >> BOGSS both as blocking, and says "according to one perspective, the >> Above measures did not pass. according to another perspective, it did." >> I do think the delegates need to have another meeting ASAP to clarify >> this issue. >> Either way, TANC seemed uninterested in wading into our drama and I >> don't blame them. It seems like CLP are going to have their way unless we >> remove them. >> >> >>> Out of concern for omni commons I really wish Jake stepped down from >>> delegate position last night. If we want to remove CLP based on Rafiq's >>> politics and interpersonal problems then we need to hash that out >>> thoughtfully and with a lot of support from the whole community at omni. >>> But in our SR meeting on Wednesday, we clearly said we thought it would not >>> be strategic for you to throw call outs. Especially given the big topic of >>> the meeting being CLP's concerns about TANC due to white supremacy at omni. >>> >> >> It was certainly my intention to be strategic and not fall for the >> manipulation tactics, but as I explained, the facilitator literally made me >> an agenda item and then enabled Rafiq to go after me personally. As I >> mentioned in the meeting, I have a conflict with Rafiq that he started in >> 2022 and that I suggested we should discuss at a later date. But the >> facilitator allowed him to continue attacking me and did nothing to rein >> him in, so I responded on my own behalf. >> >> I did my best to stay on track in the meeting but I did not have support >> (in fact, an agenda item specifically addressing me is the opposite of >> support) and I muted myself for the entire second half of the meeting. I >> will not take responsibility for others' failure to do their part. >> >> -jake >> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:41 PM Jake via sudo-discuss < >>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> no, the PYM people came at me first, and I answered very politely, and >>>> they >>>> responded very rudely and personally at me. >>>> >>>> Then they decided to complain about me to the meeting, and then you >>>> took the >>>> vote for a THIRD TIME even though we had already decided to let TANC >>>> in, and >>>> then even though the delegates (other than CLP of course) expressly >>>> agreed >>>> that BOGSS was not in session to be able to block, you interpreted CLP >>>> Danielle's vote to count. Blocking TANC. >>>> >>>> And here you are blaming me, because CLP's sock puppet blocked TANC >>>> because >>>> Jake was rude? How does that make sense? >>>> >>>> -jake >>>> >>>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2023, Yardena Cohen via sudo-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> >> I am comfortable with disagreeing with people when they're wrong, >>>> and I am comfortable with my record on fighting for Palestinian freedom for >>>> longer than some of these people have been alive. They don't know what >>>> I've done, what I've lost, or what I've given for the cause and they don't >>>> care, and that's their choice. >>>> > >>>> > This right here is your exact problem. Who is "they"? You took >>>> Rafiq's >>>> > bait and then aimed your rant at our PYM guests. Worst thing you >>>> could >>>> > have done. >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>> > More options at >>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>> More options at >>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at >> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> >