25 Jan
2022
25 Jan
'22
4:12 a.m.
I texted with Lovi the other day, who is still a pending member of Sudo,
and Lovi mentioned they would be willing to deep-clean Sudo's
deeply-spoiled fridge, if paid $25/hr cash and supplied with the
various means to do so.
To my knowledge, no Sudoer has voluntarily pursued cleaning this fridge for
the last four months or so after the request went out. It was also insisted
that the fridge be kept and not dumped (Patrik thought it was unsalvageable
due to the near-certainty of mold growing in inaccessible places.) The
fridge incubated a large quantiy spoiling food, unplugged, for an unknown
number of months during the pandemic.
Anyway - as Lovi is not yet a Sudo member, as a Sudo member I would like to
propose that Sudo take Lovi up on their offer, and supply:
- an electrostatic air purifier, and a UV-C light bulb to help passively
de-mold in the first pass in all compartments. The total cost for both is
expected to be <$80.
- bleach, cleaning agents, sponges, paper towels, etc in the second pass.
Expected cost is <$20 in the event Omni's cleaning closet lacks these
items.
In terms of active labor I believe at least four hours should be budgeted
at a minimum, = $100.
Expected cost: $180.
Contingency: $20.
Total: $200.
In return - if Lovi still has capacity and inclination to engage with this
task - I would propose that Lovi provide a do-by date to complete the work,
for the benefit of all sudoers who wish to once more preserve edible food
in a sanitary fashion.
If anyone objects to this proposal, lmk..?
Best,
David
25 Jan
25 Jan
5:40 a.m.
I don't think a UV-C bulb is the best way to go - those things can be
bloody dangerous for anyone looking at them without the proper goggles -
but we do happen to have one in CCL.
I would recommend getting a good mask rated for mold spores - an N95/KN95
should do - and liberally spraying down the interior with bleach.
I support paying Lovi if that is what it takes to get it done, and I'd be
happy to pitch in for an hour or two.
Patrik
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 4:13 AM David Keenan via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
I texted with Lovi the other day, who is still a
pending member of Sudo,
and Lovi mentioned they would be willing to deep-clean Sudo's
deeply-spoiled fridge, if paid $25/hr cash and supplied with the
various means to do so.
To my knowledge, no Sudoer has voluntarily pursued cleaning this fridge
for the last four months or so after the request went out. It was also
insisted that the fridge be kept and not dumped (Patrik thought it was
unsalvageable due to the near-certainty of mold growing in inaccessible
places.) The fridge incubated a large quantiy spoiling food, unplugged, for
an unknown number of months during the pandemic.
Anyway - as Lovi is not yet a Sudo member, as a Sudo member I would like
to propose that Sudo take Lovi up on their offer, and supply:
- an electrostatic air purifier, and a UV-C light bulb to help passively
de-mold in the first pass in all compartments. The total cost for both is
expected to be <$80.
- bleach, cleaning agents, sponges, paper towels, etc in the second pass.
Expected cost is <$20 in the event Omni's cleaning closet lacks these
items.
In terms of active labor I believe at least four hours should be budgeted
at a minimum, = $100.
Expected cost: $180.
Contingency: $20.
Total: $200.
In return - if Lovi still has capacity and inclination to engage with this
task - I would propose that Lovi provide a do-by date to complete the work,
for the benefit of all sudoers who wish to once more preserve edible food
in a sanitary fashion.
If anyone objects to this proposal, lmk..?
Best,
David
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9:30 a.m.
I defer to your judgement patrik re the uv-c; however I think it could be
done safely? if:
- eyeglasses protective against UV-c are worn the entire time the UV-c bulb
is being handled or used.
- while being handled, the uv-c bulb is attached to an extension cord that
is physically unplugged in to the wall.
- the uv-c bulb (attached to the unpowered extension cord) is placed in a
fridge compartment with all shelving removed, and the compartment door is
closed as much as possible (is left open just a crack allowing the cord
through.) An electrostatic air purifier could be run at the same time.
- 2 tarps are placed over the entire fridge, with a sign taped on front
stating for safety reasons, stating not to touch tarp / DNH unless you are
the person cleaning the fridge.
- with the fridge thusly tarped, only then is the extension cord powering
the UV-c is plugged into wall, powering on the uv-c light.
- the fridge is directly monitored by the person working on the fridge, for
1-hour per fridge compartment, who could work on their laptop or another
task while this was happening.
- the extension cord is physically unplugged from the wall prior to
shifting the light from one compartment to another, and prior to lifting
the tarp for any reason.
- after it is finished, with the extension cord unplugged, the bulb is also
immediately disconnected from the extension cord and placed back in a box
well-labeled with warning etc.
Do you think such precautions would be adequate?
David
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 05:40 Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think a UV-C bulb is the best way to go -
those things can be
bloody dangerous for anyone looking at them without the proper goggles -
but we do happen to have one in CCL.
I would recommend getting a good mask rated for mold spores - an N95/KN95
should do - and liberally spraying down the interior with bleach.
I support paying Lovi if that is what it takes to get it done, and I'd be
happy to pitch in for an hour or two.
Patrik
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 4:13 AM David Keenan via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
I texted with Lovi the other day, who is still a
pending member of Sudo,
and Lovi mentioned they would be willing to deep-clean Sudo's
deeply-spoiled fridge, if paid $25/hr cash and supplied with the
various means to do so.
To my knowledge, no Sudoer has voluntarily pursued cleaning this fridge
for the last four months or so after the request went out. It was also
insisted that the fridge be kept and not dumped (Patrik thought it was
unsalvageable due to the near-certainty of mold growing in inaccessible
places.) The fridge incubated a large quantiy spoiling food, unplugged, for
an unknown number of months during the pandemic.
Anyway - as Lovi is not yet a Sudo member, as a Sudo member I would like
to propose that Sudo take Lovi up on their offer, and supply:
- an electrostatic air purifier, and a UV-C light bulb to help passively
de-mold in the first pass in all compartments. The total cost for both is
expected to be <$80.
- bleach, cleaning agents, sponges, paper towels, etc in the second pass.
Expected cost is <$20 in the event Omni's cleaning closet lacks these
items.
In terms of active labor I believe at least four hours should be budgeted
at a minimum, = $100.
Expected cost: $180.
Contingency: $20.
Total: $200.
In return - if Lovi still has capacity and inclination to engage with
this task - I would propose that Lovi provide a do-by date to complete the
work, for the benefit of all sudoers who wish to once more preserve edible
food in a sanitary fashion.
If anyone objects to this proposal, lmk..?
Best,
David
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9:48 a.m.
Maybe just start over?
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/zip?lat=37.79793283605427&lon=-122.…
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:31 AM David Keenan via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
I defer to your judgement patrik re the uv-c; however
I think it could be
done safely? if:
- eyeglasses protective against UV-c are worn the entire time the UV-c
bulb is being handled or used.
- while being handled, the uv-c bulb is attached to an extension cord that
is physically unplugged in to the wall.
- the uv-c bulb (attached to the unpowered extension cord) is placed in a
fridge compartment with all shelving removed, and the compartment door is
closed as much as possible (is left open just a crack allowing the cord
through.) An electrostatic air purifier could be run at the same time.
- 2 tarps are placed over the entire fridge, with a sign taped on front
stating for safety reasons, stating not to touch tarp / DNH unless you are
the person cleaning the fridge.
- with the fridge thusly tarped, only then is the extension cord powering
the UV-c is plugged into wall, powering on the uv-c light.
- the fridge is directly monitored by the person working on the fridge,
for 1-hour per fridge compartment, who could work on their laptop or
another task while this was happening.
- the extension cord is physically unplugged from the wall prior to
shifting the light from one compartment to another, and prior to lifting
the tarp for any reason.
- after it is finished, with the extension cord unplugged, the bulb is
also immediately disconnected from the extension cord and placed back in a
box well-labeled with warning etc.
Do you think such precautions would be adequate?
David
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 05:40 Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I don't think a UV-C bulb is the best way to
go - those things can be
bloody dangerous for anyone looking at them without the proper goggles -
but we do happen to have one in CCL.
I would recommend getting a good mask rated for mold spores - an N95/KN95
should do - and liberally spraying down the interior with bleach.
I support paying Lovi if that is what it takes to get it done, and I'd be
happy to pitch in for an hour or two.
Patrik
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I texted with Lovi the other day, who is still a
pending member of Sudo,
and Lovi mentioned they would be willing to deep-clean Sudo's
deeply-spoiled fridge, if paid $25/hr cash and supplied with the
various means to do so.
To my knowledge, no Sudoer has voluntarily pursued cleaning this fridge
for the last four months or so after the request went out. It was also
insisted that the fridge be kept and not dumped (Patrik thought it was
unsalvageable due to the near-certainty of mold growing in inaccessible
places.) The fridge incubated a large quantiy spoiling food, unplugged, for
an unknown number of months during the pandemic.
Anyway - as Lovi is not yet a Sudo member, as a Sudo member I would like
to propose that Sudo take Lovi up on their offer, and supply:
- an electrostatic air purifier, and a UV-C light bulb to help passively
de-mold in the first pass in all compartments. The total cost for both is
expected to be <$80.
- bleach, cleaning agents, sponges, paper towels, etc in the second
pass. Expected cost is <$20 in the event Omni's cleaning closet lacks these
items.
In terms of active labor I believe at least four hours should be
budgeted at a minimum, = $100.
Expected cost: $180.
Contingency: $20.
Total: $200.
In return - if Lovi still has capacity and inclination to engage with
this task - I would propose that Lovi provide a do-by date to complete the
work, for the benefit of all sudoers who wish to once more preserve edible
food in a sanitary fashion.
If anyone objects to this proposal, lmk..?
Best,
David
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10:01 a.m.
That was my original proposal some months ago, but that was veto’d because
the spoiled fridge is a really nice model
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 09:48 Autonomous <autonomous666(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe just start over?
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/zip?lat=37.79793283605427&lon=-122.…
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:31 AM David Keenan via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
I defer to your judgement patrik re the uv-c;
however I think it could be
done safely? if:
- eyeglasses protective against UV-c are worn the entire time the UV-c
bulb is being handled or used.
- while being handled, the uv-c bulb is attached to an extension cord
that is physically unplugged in to the wall.
- the uv-c bulb (attached to the unpowered extension cord) is placed in a
fridge compartment with all shelving removed, and the compartment door is
closed as much as possible (is left open just a crack allowing the cord
through.) An electrostatic air purifier could be run at the same time.
- 2 tarps are placed over the entire fridge, with a sign taped on front
stating for safety reasons, stating not to touch tarp / DNH unless you are
the person cleaning the fridge.
- with the fridge thusly tarped, only then is the extension cord powering
the UV-c is plugged into wall, powering on the uv-c light.
- the fridge is directly monitored by the person working on the fridge,
for 1-hour per fridge compartment, who could work on their laptop or
another task while this was happening.
- the extension cord is physically unplugged from the wall prior to
shifting the light from one compartment to another, and prior to lifting
the tarp for any reason.
- after it is finished, with the extension cord unplugged, the bulb is
also immediately disconnected from the extension cord and placed back in a
box well-labeled with warning etc.
Do you think such precautions would be adequate?
David
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 05:40 Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I don't think a UV-C bulb is the best way to
go - those things can be
bloody dangerous for anyone looking at them without the proper goggles -
but we do happen to have one in CCL.
I would recommend getting a good mask rated for mold spores - an
N95/KN95 should do - and liberally spraying down the interior with bleach.
I support paying Lovi if that is what it takes to get it done, and I'd
be happy to pitch in for an hour or two.
Patrik
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 4:13 AM David Keenan via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
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I texted with Lovi the other day, who is still a
pending member of
Sudo, and Lovi mentioned they would be willing to deep-clean Sudo's
deeply-spoiled fridge, if paid $25/hr cash and supplied with the
various means to do so.
To my knowledge, no Sudoer has voluntarily pursued cleaning this fridge
for the last four months or so after the request went out. It was also
insisted that the fridge be kept and not dumped (Patrik thought it was
unsalvageable due to the near-certainty of mold growing in inaccessible
places.) The fridge incubated a large quantiy spoiling food, unplugged, for
an unknown number of months during the pandemic.
Anyway - as Lovi is not yet a Sudo member, as a Sudo member I would
like to propose that Sudo take Lovi up on their offer, and supply:
- an electrostatic air purifier, and a UV-C light bulb to help
passively de-mold in the first pass in all compartments. The total cost for
both is expected to be <$80.
- bleach, cleaning agents, sponges, paper towels, etc in the second
pass. Expected cost is <$20 in the event Omni's cleaning closet lacks these
items.
In terms of active labor I believe at least four hours should be
budgeted at a minimum, = $100.
Expected cost: $180.
Contingency: $20.
Total: $200.
In return - if Lovi still has capacity and inclination to engage with
this task - I would propose that Lovi provide a do-by date to complete the
work, for the benefit of all sudoers who wish to once more preserve edible
food in a sanitary fashion.
If anyone objects to this proposal, lmk..?
Best,
David
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10:06 a.m.
Ps. A new 3M P100 ventilating mask would also be provided while the active
cleaning is going on.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 10:01 David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That was my original proposal some months ago, but
that was veto’d because
the spoiled fridge is a really nice model
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 09:48 Autonomous <autonomous666(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe just start over?
>
>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/zip?lat=37.79793283605427&lon=-122.…
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:31 AM David Keenan via sudo-discuss <
> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>
>> I defer to your judgement patrik re the uv-c; however I think it could
>> be done safely? if:
>>
>> - eyeglasses protective against UV-c are worn the entire time the UV-c
>> bulb is being handled or used.
>>
>> - while being handled, the uv-c bulb is attached to an extension cord
>> that is physically unplugged in to the wall.
>>
>> - the uv-c bulb (attached to the unpowered extension cord) is placed in
>> a fridge compartment with all shelving removed, and the compartment door is
>> closed as much as possible (is left open just a crack allowing the cord
>> through.) An electrostatic air purifier could be run at the same time.
>>
>> - 2 tarps are placed over the entire fridge, with a sign taped on front
>> stating for safety reasons, stating not to touch tarp / DNH unless you are
>> the person cleaning the fridge.
>>
>> - with the fridge thusly tarped, only then is the extension cord
>> powering the UV-c is plugged into wall, powering on the uv-c light.
>>
>> - the fridge is directly monitored by the person working on the fridge,
>> for 1-hour per fridge compartment, who could work on their laptop or
>> another task while this was happening.
>>
>> - the extension cord is physically unplugged from the wall prior to
>> shifting the light from one compartment to another, and prior to lifting
>> the tarp for any reason.
>>
>> - after it is finished, with the extension cord unplugged, the bulb is
>> also immediately disconnected from the extension cord and placed back in a
>> box well-labeled with warning etc.
>>
>> Do you think such precautions would be adequate?
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 05:40 Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think a UV-C bulb is the best way to go - those things can be
>>> bloody dangerous for anyone looking at them without the proper goggles -
>>> but we do happen to have one in CCL.
>>>
>>> I would recommend getting a good mask rated for mold spores - an
>>> N95/KN95 should do - and liberally spraying down the interior with bleach.
>>>
>>> I support paying Lovi if that is what it takes to get it done, and I'd
>>> be happy to pitch in for an hour or two.
>>>
>>> Patrik
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 4:13 AM David Keenan via sudo-discuss <
>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I texted with Lovi the other day, who is still a pending member of
>>>> Sudo, and Lovi mentioned they would be willing to deep-clean Sudo's
>>>> deeply-spoiled fridge, if paid $25/hr cash and supplied with the
>>>> various means to do so.
>>>>
>>>> To my knowledge, no Sudoer has voluntarily pursued cleaning this
>>>> fridge for the last four months or so after the request went out. It was
>>>> also insisted that the fridge be kept and not dumped (Patrik thought it
was
>>>> unsalvageable due to the near-certainty of mold growing in inaccessible
>>>> places.) The fridge incubated a large quantiy spoiling food, unplugged,
for
>>>> an unknown number of months during the pandemic.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway - as Lovi is not yet a Sudo member, as a Sudo member I would
>>>> like to propose that Sudo take Lovi up on their offer, and supply:
>>>>
>>>> - an electrostatic air purifier, and a UV-C light bulb to help
>>>> passively de-mold in the first pass in all compartments. The total cost
for
>>>> both is expected to be <$80.
>>>>
>>>> - bleach, cleaning agents, sponges, paper towels, etc in the second
>>>> pass. Expected cost is <$20 in the event Omni's cleaning closet
lacks these
>>>> items.
>>>>
>>>> In terms of active labor I believe at least four hours should be
>>>> budgeted at a minimum, = $100.
>>>>
>>>> Expected cost: $180.
>>>> Contingency: $20.
>>>> Total: $200.
>>>>
>>>> In return - if Lovi still has capacity and inclination to engage with
>>>> this task - I would propose that Lovi provide a do-by date to complete
the
>>>> work, for the benefit of all sudoers who wish to once more preserve
edible
>>>> food in a sanitary fashion.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone objects to this proposal, lmk..?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> David
>>>>
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1:58 p.m.
well David I think you're right that we should maybe get rid of the fridge.
I know that I advocated against this but I would be willing to handle putting
it on craigslist and giving it away. Partially because I don't think sudoroom
needs a fridge right now and it's more trouble than it's worth.
I think it makes more sense to contribute our cleaning and maintenance and
funds energy toward the communal fridge outside the front door.
So my proposal is to let me find the Sudoroom fridge a new home via craigslist.
-jake
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, David Keenan via sudo-discuss wrote:
That was my original proposal some months ago, but
that was veto’d because
the spoiled fridge is a really nice model
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 09:48 Autonomous <autonomous666(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe just start over?
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/zip?lat=37.79793283605427&lon=-122.…
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:31 AM David Keenan via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
I defer to your judgement patrik re the uv-c;
however I think it could be
done safely? if:
- eyeglasses protective against UV-c are worn the entire time the UV-c
bulb is being handled or used.
- while being handled, the uv-c bulb is attached to an extension cord
that is physically unplugged in to the wall.
- the uv-c bulb (attached to the unpowered extension cord) is placed in a
fridge compartment with all shelving removed, and the compartment door is
closed as much as possible (is left open just a crack allowing the cord
through.) An electrostatic air purifier could be run at the same time.
- 2 tarps are placed over the entire fridge, with a sign taped on front
stating for safety reasons, stating not to touch tarp / DNH unless you are
the person cleaning the fridge.
- with the fridge thusly tarped, only then is the extension cord powering
the UV-c is plugged into wall, powering on the uv-c light.
- the fridge is directly monitored by the person working on the fridge,
for 1-hour per fridge compartment, who could work on their laptop or
another task while this was happening.
- the extension cord is physically unplugged from the wall prior to
shifting the light from one compartment to another, and prior to lifting
the tarp for any reason.
- after it is finished, with the extension cord unplugged, the bulb is
also immediately disconnected from the extension cord and placed back in a
box well-labeled with warning etc.
Do you think such precautions would be adequate?
David
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 05:40 Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I don't think a UV-C bulb is the best way to
go - those things can be
bloody dangerous for anyone looking at them without the proper goggles -
but we do happen to have one in CCL.
I would recommend getting a good mask rated for mold spores - an
N95/KN95 should do - and liberally spraying down the interior with bleach.
I support paying Lovi if that is what it takes to get it done, and I'd
be happy to pitch in for an hour or two.
Patrik
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 4:13 AM David Keenan via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> I texted with Lovi the other day, who is still a pending member of
> Sudo, and Lovi mentioned they would be willing to deep-clean Sudo's
> deeply-spoiled fridge, if paid $25/hr cash and supplied with the
> various means to do so.
>
> To my knowledge, no Sudoer has voluntarily pursued cleaning this fridge
> for the last four months or so after the request went out. It was also
> insisted that the fridge be kept and not dumped (Patrik thought it was
> unsalvageable due to the near-certainty of mold growing in inaccessible
> places.) The fridge incubated a large quantiy spoiling food, unplugged, for
> an unknown number of months during the pandemic.
>
> Anyway - as Lovi is not yet a Sudo member, as a Sudo member I would
> like to propose that Sudo take Lovi up on their offer, and supply:
>
> - an electrostatic air purifier, and a UV-C light bulb to help
> passively de-mold in the first pass in all compartments. The total cost for
> both is expected to be <$80.
>
> - bleach, cleaning agents, sponges, paper towels, etc in the second
> pass. Expected cost is <$20 in the event Omni's cleaning closet lacks these
> items.
>
> In terms of active labor I believe at least four hours should be
> budgeted at a minimum, = $100.
>
> Expected cost: $180.
> Contingency: $20.
> Total: $200.
>
> In return - if Lovi still has capacity and inclination to engage with
> this task - I would propose that Lovi provide a do-by date to complete the
> work, for the benefit of all sudoers who wish to once more preserve edible
> food in a sanitary fashion.
>
> If anyone objects to this proposal, lmk..?
>
> Best,
> David
>
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9:23 p.m.
Sure, sounds good by me :)
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 13:58 Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
well David I think you're right that we should
maybe get rid of the fridge.
I know that I advocated against this but I would be willing to handle
putting
it on craigslist and giving it away. Partially because I don't think
sudoroom
needs a fridge right now and it's more trouble than it's worth.
I think it makes more sense to contribute our cleaning and maintenance and
funds energy toward the communal fridge outside the front door.
So my proposal is to let me find the Sudoroom fridge a new home via
craigslist.
-jake
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, David Keenan via sudo-discuss wrote:
That was my original proposal some months ago,
but that was veto’d
because
the spoiled fridge is a really nice model
On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 09:48 Autonomous <autonomous666(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Maybe just start over?
>
>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/zip?lat=37.79793283605427&lon=-122.…
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:31 AM David Keenan via sudo-discuss <
> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>
>> I defer to your judgement patrik re the uv-c; however I think it could
be
>> done safely? if:
>>
>> - eyeglasses protective against UV-c are worn the entire time the UV-c
>> bulb is being handled or used.
>>
>> - while being handled, the uv-c bulb is attached to an extension cord
>> that is physically unplugged in to the wall.
>>
>> - the uv-c bulb (attached to the unpowered extension cord) is placed
in a
>> fridge compartment with all shelving
removed, and the compartment door
is
>> closed as much as possible (is left open
just a crack allowing the cord
>> through.) An electrostatic air purifier could be run at the same time.
>>
>> - 2 tarps are placed over the entire fridge, with a sign taped on front
>> stating for safety reasons, stating not to touch tarp / DNH unless you
are
>> the person cleaning the fridge.
>>
>> - with the fridge thusly tarped, only then is the extension cord
powering
>> the UV-c is plugged into wall, powering
on the uv-c light.
>>
>> - the fridge is directly monitored by the person working on the fridge,
>> for 1-hour per fridge compartment, who could work on their laptop or
>> another task while this was happening.
>>
>> - the extension cord is physically unplugged from the wall prior to
>> shifting the light from one compartment to another, and prior to
lifting
>> the tarp for any reason.
>>
>> - after it is finished, with the extension cord unplugged, the bulb is
>> also immediately disconnected from the extension cord and placed back
in
a
>> box well-labeled with warning etc.
>>
>> Do you think such precautions would be adequate?
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 05:40 Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think a UV-C bulb is the best way to go - those things can be
>>> bloody dangerous for anyone looking at them without the proper
goggles
-
>>> but we do happen to have one in CCL.
>>>
>>> I would recommend getting a good mask rated for mold spores - an
>>> N95/KN95 should do - and liberally spraying down the interior with
bleach.
>>>
>>> I support paying Lovi if that is what it takes to get it done, and I'd
>>> be happy to pitch in for an hour or two.
>>>
>>> Patrik
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 4:13 AM David Keenan via sudo-discuss <
>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I texted with Lovi the other day, who is still a pending member of
>>>> Sudo, and Lovi mentioned they would be willing to deep-clean Sudo's
>>>> deeply-spoiled fridge, if paid $25/hr cash and supplied with the
>>>> various means to do so.
>>>>
>>>> To my knowledge, no Sudoer has voluntarily pursued cleaning this
fridge
>>>> for the last four months or so
after the request went out. It was
also
>>>> insisted that the fridge be kept
and not dumped (Patrik thought it
was
>>>> unsalvageable due to the
near-certainty of mold growing in
inaccessible
>>>> places.) The fridge incubated a
large quantiy spoiling food,
unplugged, for
>>>> an unknown number of months
during the pandemic.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway - as Lovi is not yet a Sudo member, as a Sudo member I would
>>>> like to propose that Sudo take Lovi up on their offer, and supply:
>>>>
>>>> - an electrostatic air purifier, and a UV-C light bulb to help
>>>> passively de-mold in the first pass in all compartments. The total
cost for
>>>> both is expected to be <$80.
>>>>
>>>> - bleach, cleaning agents, sponges, paper towels, etc in the second
>>>> pass. Expected cost is <$20 in the event Omni's cleaning closet
lacks these
>>>> items.
>>>>
>>>> In terms of active labor I believe at least four hours should be
>>>> budgeted at a minimum, = $100.
>>>>
>>>> Expected cost: $180.
>>>> Contingency: $20.
>>>> Total: $200.
>>>>
>>>> In return - if Lovi still has capacity and inclination to engage with
>>>> this task - I would propose that Lovi provide a do-by date to
complete the
>>>> work, for the benefit of all
sudoers who wish to once more preserve
edible
>>>>> food in a sanitary fashion.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone objects to this proposal, lmk..?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> David
>>>>>
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