1 Mar
2022
1 Mar
'22
7:09 a.m.
Thinking about projects in micro mobility and change management for Americans. How do we
get people who drive cars to walk as much as people who take subways? Make safer biking
paths? Remove easy parking and encourage car drivers to park and walk or take a bike share
Most people don’t want to live in strip mall friendly places anymore
Along with light protection mapping this is another cool topic of my time at SudoRoom!!
https://www.telegraphforpeople.com/312-rally/details
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1 Mar
1 Mar
2:59 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 3:09 PM Romy Ilano via sudo-discuss <
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Thinking about projects in micro mobility and change management for
Americans. How do we get people who drive cars to walk as much as people
who take subways? Make safer biking paths? Remove easy parking and
encourage car drivers to park and walk or take a bike share
Most people don’t want to live in strip mall friendly places anymore
Along with light protection mapping this is another cool topic of my time
at SudoRoom!!
https://www.telegraphforpeople.com/312-rally/details
Interesting, though having a bus lane straight through a "car free area"
seems very silly to me. I've never seen anything like that anywhere. Does
anyone know why they came up with this? surely the bus could just run one
street over from telegraph?
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3:13 p.m.
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022, Marc Juul via sudo-discuss wrote:
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 3:09 PM Romy Ilano via
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I think it's still worth having a "car free area" even with public
transportation buses driving through - keep in mind that cities will always
want paths for fire trucks and ambulancii
Thinking about projects in micro mobility and change management for
Americans. How do we get people who drive cars to walk as much as people
who take subways? Make safer biking paths? Remove easy parking and
encourage car drivers to park and walk or take a bike share
Most people don’t want to live in strip mall friendly places anymore
Along with light protection mapping this is another cool topic of my time
at SudoRoom!!
https://www.telegraphforpeople.com/312-rally/details
Interesting, though having a bus lane straight through a "car free area"
seems very silly to me. I've never seen anything like that anywhere. Does
anyone know why they came up with this? surely the bus could just run one
street over from telegraph?
3:26 p.m.
Interesting, though having a bus lane straight through
a "car free area"
Ambulances and fire trucks can still go in pedestrian areas without a big
fat bus lane as long as you don't literally barricade entry and exit, and
sure, having buses only is better than nothing but so much worse than fully
pedestrian. There is a big difference in the feeling of having to check for
vehicles before crossing vs. just being able to freely waltz all over the
place without a care in the world. The question is: Why campaign for such a
suboptimal solution?
seems very silly to me. I've never seen
anything like that anywhere. Does
anyone know why they came up with this? surely the bus could just run one
street over from telegraph?
I think it's still worth having a "car free area" even with public
transportation buses driving through - keep in mind that cities will always
want paths for fire trucks and ambulancii
3:40 p.m.
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022, Marc Juul wrote:
why aim for that solution? it's a big step in the right direction, and having
a bus go through gives the same access to the place to people who are too old
or immobile to get there by biking or whatever means us young healthy folks
have.
as for ambulances and fire trucks driving on non-roads...there will invariably
be obstacles on those paths making passage impossible, that's something that we
don't have to think about since we don't do those kinds of emergency jobs.
Interesting,
though having a bus lane straight through a "car free area"
Ambulances and fire trucks can still go in pedestrian areas without a big
fat bus lane as long as you don't literally barricade entry and exit, and
sure, having buses only is better than nothing but so much worse than fully
pedestrian. There is a big difference in the feeling of having to check for
vehicles before crossing vs. just being able to freely waltz all over the
place without a care in the world. The question is: Why campaign for such a
suboptimal solution? seems very silly to me. I've never seen
anything like that anywhere. Does
anyone know why they came up with this? surely the bus could just run one
street over from telegraph?
I think it's still worth having a "car free area" even with public
transportation buses driving through - keep in mind that cities will always
want paths for fire trucks and ambulancii
4:55 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:41 PM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022, Marc Juul wrote:
fully
You realize I come from a country that's sorta known for being good at
bike/pedestrian friendly infrastructure design? and I'm telling you I've
never seen this sort of thing. There are other ways of dealing with access,
such as having the bus intersect the pedestrian only area every couple of
blocks. The bus doesn't stop on every block normally anyway. Obviously
impeding emergency traffic by putting obstacles in their paths should still
be illegal. I don't see why that would be different for a pedestrian area.
If you ever visit my home town we can walk down the main street which is
implemented exactly like this.
I'm also not sure why bikes should be allowed. Again they can just go one
street over.
Talk to Sierk if you want more info on how to do good pedestrian-friendly
street design. He has actually studied this stuff in depth. He'll also tell
you all about why the telegraph bike lane situation near Omni is flawed.
> Interesting, though having a bus lane
straight through a "car free area"
>> seems very silly to me. I've never seen anything like that anywhere.
Does
>> anyone know why they came up with this?
surely the bus could just run
one
>> street over from telegraph?
>
> I think it's still worth having a "car free area" even with public
> transportation buses driving through - keep in mind that cities will
always
want
paths for fire trucks and ambulancii
Ambulances and fire trucks can still go in pedestrian areas without a big
fat bus lane as long as you don't literally barricade entry and exit, and
sure, having buses only is better than nothing but so much worse than pedestrian. There is a big difference in the
feeling of having to check
for
vehicles before crossing vs. just being able to
freely waltz all over the
place without a care in the world. The question is: Why campaign for
such a
suboptimal solution?
why aim for that solution? it's a big step in the right direction, and
having
a bus go through gives the same access to the place to people who are too
old
or immobile to get there by biking or whatever means us young healthy folks
have.
as for ambulances and fire trucks driving on non-roads...there will
invariably
be obstacles on those paths making passage impossible, that's something
that we
don't have to think about since we don't do those kinds of emergency jobs.
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5:10 p.m.
why aim for
that solution? it's a big step in the right direction, and
having a bus go through gives the same access to the place to people who are
too old or immobile to get there by biking or whatever means us young
healthy folks have.
as for ambulances and fire trucks driving on non-roads...there will
invariably be obstacles on those paths making passage impossible, that's
something that we don't have to think about since we don't do those kinds of
emergency jobs.
You realize I come from a country that's sorta known for being good at
bike/pedestrian friendly infrastructure design? and I'm telling you I've
never seen this sort of thing. There are other ways of dealing with access,
such as having the bus intersect the pedestrian only area every couple of
blocks. The bus doesn't stop on every block normally anyway. Obviously
impeding emergency traffic by putting obstacles in their paths should still
be illegal. I don't see why that would be different for a pedestrian area.
If you ever visit my home town we can walk down the main street which is
implemented exactly like this. I'm also not sure why bikes should be
allowed. Again they can just go one street over.
Talk to Sierk if you want more info on how to do good pedestrian-friendly
street design. He has actually studied this stuff in depth. He'll also tell
you all about why the telegraph bike lane situation near Omni is flawed. 
5:19 p.m.
There's a Bicyclist and Pedestrian Advisory Commission
https://www.oaklandca.gov/boards-commissions/bicyclist-and-pedestrian-advis…
--mark B.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:10 PM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
access,
> why aim
for that solution? it's a big step in the right direction, and
> having a bus go through gives the same access to the place to people
who are
> too old or immobile to get there by biking or
whatever means us young
> healthy folks have.
>
> as for ambulances and fire trucks driving on non-roads...there will
> invariably be obstacles on those paths making passage impossible, that's
> something that we don't have to think about since we don't do those
kinds of
emergency
jobs.
You realize I come from a country that's sorta known for being good at
bike/pedestrian friendly infrastructure design? and I'm telling you I've
never seen this sort of thing. There are other ways of dealing with such as having the bus intersect the pedestrian
only area every couple of
blocks. The bus doesn't stop on every block normally anyway. Obviously
impeding emergency traffic by putting obstacles in their paths should
still
be illegal. I don't see why that would be
different for a pedestrian
area.
If you ever visit my home town we can walk down
the main street which is
implemented exactly like this. I'm also not sure why bikes should be
allowed. Again they can just go one street over.
Talk to Sierk if you want more info on how to do good pedestrian-friendly
street design. He has actually studied this stuff in depth. He'll also
tell
you all about why the telegraph bike lane
situation near Omni is flawed.
you guys should definitely join the committees where these designs are
debated.
I'm guessing that the city has some meeting where the only participants are
contractors who have drawn up something they'd like to build, and that
none of
them have been to europe.
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2 Mar
2 Mar
7:55 a.m.
Downtown Denver has a public area “the 16th street mall” with large pedestrian walkways
and Bus only transport. The frequency of buses (and the fact that they set a speed limit
of ~15-20 mph) means that it’s extremely walkable and safe with plenty of room for bikes.
Having the buses there really just makes it easier to hop on — you can be finishing your
latte at a cafe and walk over to the bus stop when you see it coming.
Eric
On Mar 1, 2022, at 17:19, mark burdett via
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There's a Bicyclist and Pedestrian Advisory Commission
https://www.oaklandca.gov/boards-commissions/bicyclist-and-pedestrian-advis…
--mark B.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:10 PM Jake via
sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
you guys should definitely join the committees where these designs are debated.
I'm guessing that the city has some meeting where the only participants are
contractors who have drawn up something they'd like to build, and that none of
them have been to europe.
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why aim
for that solution? it's a big step in the right direction, and
having a bus go through gives the same access to the place to people who are
too old or immobile to get there by biking or whatever means us young
healthy folks have.
as for ambulances and fire trucks driving on non-roads...there will
invariably be obstacles on those paths making passage impossible, that's
something that we don't have to think about since we don't do those kinds of
emergency jobs.
You realize I come from a country that's sorta known for being good at
bike/pedestrian friendly infrastructure design? and I'm telling you I've
never seen this sort of thing. There are other ways of dealing with access,
such as having the bus intersect the pedestrian only area every couple of
blocks. The bus doesn't stop on every block normally anyway. Obviously
impeding emergency traffic by putting obstacles in their paths should still
be illegal. I don't see why that would be different for a pedestrian area.
If you ever visit my home town we can walk down the main street which is
implemented exactly like this. I'm also not sure why bikes should be
allowed. Again they can just go one street over.
Talk to Sierk if you want more info on how to do good pedestrian-friendly
street design. He has actually studied this stuff in depth. He'll also tell
you all about why the telegraph bike lane situation near Omni is flawed.
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