Ambulances and fire trucks can still go in pedestrian areas without a big fat bus lane as long as you don't literally barricade entry and exit, and sure, having buses only is better than nothing but so much worse than fully pedestrian. There is a big difference in the feeling of having to check for vehicles before crossing vs. just being able to freely waltz all over the place without a care in the world. The question is: Why campaign for such a suboptimal solution?

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:41 PM Jake via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: You realize I come from a country that's sorta known for being good at bike/pedestrian friendly infrastructure design? and I'm telling you I've never seen this sort of thing. There are other ways of dealing with access, such as having the bus intersect the pedestrian only area every couple of blocks. The bus doesn't stop on every block normally anyway. Obviously impeding emergency traffic by putting obstacles in their paths should still be illegal. I don't see why that would be different for a pedestrian area. If you ever visit my home town we can walk down the main street which is implemented exactly like this. I'm also not sure why bikes should be allowed. Again they can just go one street over. Talk to Sierk if you want more info on how to do good pedestrian-friendly street design. He has actually studied this stuff in depth. He'll also tell you all about why the telegraph bike lane situation near Omni is flawed.

There's a Bicyclist and Pedestrian Advisory Commission https://www.oaklandca.gov/boards-commissions/bicyclist-and-pedestrian-advis… --mark B. On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:10 PM Jake via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org&gt; wrote: