Hi Anthony, I totally hear you, sympathize, and hope to clear some things up. The grant opportunity came up one night at sudo less than 24 hours before the deadline. In retrospect I should have posted a callout for help to the list, and I'll be sure to do that in the future. Rather, I simply reached out to this in my immediate vicinity (Marc, Matt and Marina). It would be great if folks could add to the wiki page I started at https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Funding and take the lead on initiating applications for other grants. The Omni space proposal was also a very rushed, tight opportunity to secure the space with a deposit (not directly associated with sudo, and this does not bind sudo room to the space), and while we discussed this at general meetings (of Sudo, Public School and Counter Culture Labs), we didn't want to publish to the highly-populated mailing list out of fear that someone less than aligned would scoop us on the deal. It's been less than two weeks since that opportunity arose, and we're negotiating a way to hold the space. There will be public information available in the next week, or you could email me off-list and I can share more. We'll also be meeting about it on Thursday with the Public School folks (it was they who scheduled the meeting, which I only just learned of a few hours ago) I've also been extremely busy and have neglected to post meeting minutes after the meeting. I will do my best to get regular about that again (though I cannot make tonight's meeting). Of course, anyone else attending the meetings can also do this. Thanks for your honesty and the reminder to be ever-more-diligent in our transparency and inclusivity practices! Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://thepyre.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote: I've been very busy and haven't made the time to come by sudo room for quite a while but I did last night and it was great to see familiar faces again. I'm also looking forward to meeting the people I've only seen on the list so far, and to congratulating people in person on all their hard work in keeping sudo room moving forward! And to being able to participate more in person in the future. I've been feeling out of touch with what's going on, especially after the drafting of the successful grant proposal. I tried searching my list archives to see if I missed anything about organizing this and it seems I didn't. Grant writing is something I want to learn more about and I would have liked to participate in the process and I would have made the time to if I had known about it. I'm still looking forward to Vicky's idea for a grant database and to contributing to that however I can. I have a conflict that prevents me from coming to the Wednesday meetings and my schedule is very tight otherwise, so I've been following the list and looking at the meeting minutes diligently to try to stay engaged. Despite that I've been unable to gather a clear sense of what's going on, and lately (not since early September according to my seach) I haven't seen the minutes appear on the list at all except for last week. I still won't be able to make it this evening, so I hope there will be minutes to read that the whole community is informed of. When I stopped in last night I learned in vague terms that there is an important meeting about securing a new space at the Omni happening on Thursday evening. If this is true, can anyone who is involved in that inform the community via the list about what is going on, and defer a final decision until there's broad consensus? The last I see about it from searching the list is from October 1st. While I appreciate the initiative and effort on the part of people moving this forward, (though I'm not sure who they might be,) I want to make sure that whatever decisions made that affect the whole community are still based on informed, explicit consensus by the whole community, which is fundamental to how sudo room works. _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Hi Anthony, I totally hear you, sympathize, and hope to clear some things up. The grant opportunity came up one night at sudo less than 24 hours before the deadline. In retrospect I should have posted a callout for help to the list, and I'll be sure to do that in the future. Rather, I simply reached out to this in my immediate vicinity (Marc, Matt and Marina). It would be great if folks could add to the wiki page I started at https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Funding and take the lead on initiating applications for other grants. The Omni space proposal was also a very rushed, tight opportunity to secure the space with a deposit (not directly associated with sudo, and this does not bind sudo room to the space), and while we discussed this at general meetings (of Sudo, Public School and Counter Culture Labs), we didn't want to publish to the highly-populated mailing list out of fear that someone less than aligned would scoop us on the deal. It's been less than two weeks since that opportunity arose, and we're negotiating a way to hold the space. There will be public information available in the next week, or you could email me off-list and I can share more. We'll also be meeting about it on Thursday with the Public School folks (it was they who scheduled the meeting, which I only just learned of a few hours ago) I've also been extremely busy and have neglected to post meeting minutes after the meeting. I will do my best to get regular about that again (though I cannot make tonight's meeting). Of course, anyone else attending the meetings can also do this. Thanks for your honesty and the reminder to be ever-more-diligent in our transparency and inclusivity practices! Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://thepyre.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

Thanks for the clarification and for the hard work on making things happen. I'll watch the list for updates in preference to getting information on the side. My remaining question now is whether any financial commitments will need to be made to hold the space, even if the planned actions are not binding sudo room to move in? And what generally are the planned actions?

I respect the desire not to get scooped on a good deal but I hope we will weigh this concern wisely against the need to keep decision making participatory, and it seems at minimum the basic, broad intentions of those undertaking negotiations on the group's behalf and what roughly is at stake should be known to the group.

As you may know, we are also searching for a space for Counter Culture Labs, and in that case the board explicitly empowered a member to form and lead a committee to pursue options, negotiate on behalf of the group, and report back regularly and in a timely way on progress, options, and decisions made or to be made. I have that example in mind as an example of a transparent process that still lets good, urgent opportunities be seized.

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Let me agree right with you with Craig - I'm just seeking clarity on where we are and where we're headed in this process by which I don't at all want to discourage anyone from doing awesome things on behalf of the group and I'm also quite grateful to those who have done and are doing that work. On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Thanks for the pointer. I didn't think to identify "SOEX" and Warhol foundation so I missed this. Though I mentioned the grant, all I'm really asking about now is the effort around a new space. On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote: http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/2013-September/003690.html On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote: Let me agree right with you with Craig - I'm just seeking clarity on where we are and where we're headed in this process by which I don't at all want to discourage anyone from doing awesome things on behalf of the group and I'm also quite grateful to those who have done and are doing that work. On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote: there was a presentation on it a few weeks ago at the meeting - everybody seemed into at least continuing to investigate, with some concern over not being able to serve the same geographical area. generally agree with craig - huge thanks to people do-ocratically advancing the frontiers. Nov 13, 2013 03:22:58 PM, di.franco(a)gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the clarification and for the hard work on making things happen. I'll watch the list for updates in preference to getting information on the side. My remaining question now is whether any financial commitments will need to be made to hold the space, even if the planned actions are not binding sudo room to move in? And what generally are the planned actions? I respect the desire not to get scooped on a good deal but I hope we will weigh this concern wisely against the need to keep decision making participatory, and it seems at minimum the basic, broad intentions of those undertaking negotiations on the group's behalf and what roughly is at stake should be known to the group. As you may know, we are also searching for a space for Counter Culture Labs, and in that case the board explicitly empowered a member to form and lead a committee to pursue options, negotiate on behalf of the group, and report back regularly and in a timely way on progress, options, and decisions made or to be made. I have that example in mind as an example of a transparent process that still lets good, urgent opportunities be seized. >On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Jenny Ryan tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Hi Anthony, >I totally hear you, sympathize, and hope to clear some things up. >The grant opportunity came up one night at sudo less than 24 hours before the deadline. In retrospect I should have posted a callout for help to the list, and I'll be sure to do that in the future. Rather, I simply reached out to this in my immediate vicinity (Marc, Matt and Marina). It would be great if folks could add to the wiki page I started at https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Funding and take the lead on initiating applications for other grants. >The Omni space proposal was also a very rushed, tight opportunity to secure the space with a deposit (not directly associated with sudo, and this does not bind sudo room to the space), and while we discussed this at general meetings (of Sudo, Public School and Counter Culture Labs), we didn't want to publish to the highly-populated mailing list out of fear that someone less than aligned would scoop us on the deal. >It's been less than two weeks since that opportunity arose, and we're negotiating a way to hold the space. There will be public information available in the next week, or you could email me off-list and I can share more. We'll also be meeting about it on Thursday with the Public School folks (it was they who scheduled the meeting, which I only just learned of a few hours ago) >I've also been extremely busy and have neglected to post meeting minutes after the meeting. I will do my best to get regular about that again (though I cannot make tonight's meeting). Of course, anyone else attending the meetings can also do this. >Thanks for your honesty and the reminder to be ever-more-diligent in our transparency and inclusivity practices! >Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://thepyre.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` >On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Anthony Di Franco di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote: I've been very busy and haven't made the time to come by sudo room for quite a while but I did last night and it was great to see familiar faces again. I'm also looking forward to meeting the people I've only seen on the list so far, and to congratulating people in person on all their hard work in keeping sudo room moving forward! And to being able to participate more in person in the future. >I've been feeling out of touch with what's going on, especially after the drafting of the successful grant proposal. I tried searching my list archives to see if I missed anything about organizing this and it seems I didn't. Grant writing is something I want to learn more about and I would have liked to participate in the process and I would have made the time to if I had known about it. I'm still looking forward to Vicky's idea for a grant database and to contributing to that however I can. >I have a conflict that prevents me from coming to the Wednesday meetings and my schedule is very tight otherwise, so I've been following the list and looking at the meeting minutes diligently to try to stay engaged. Despite that I've been unable to gather a clear sense of what's going on, and lately (not since early September according to my seach) I haven't seen the minutes appear on the list at all except for last week. I still won't be able to make it this evening, so I hope there will be minutes to read that the whole community is informed of. >When I stopped in last night I learned in vague terms that there is an important meeting about securing a new space at the Omni happening on Thursday evening. If this is true, can anyone who is involved in that inform the community via the list about what is going on, and defer a final decision until there's broad consensus? The last I see about it from searching the list is from October 1st. >While I appreciate the initiative and effort on the part of people moving this forward, (though I'm not sure who they might be,) I want to make sure that whatever decisions made that affect the whole community are still based on informed, explicit consensus by the whole community, which is fundamental to how sudo room works. >_______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >_______________________________________________ >sudo-discuss mailing list >sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss