Yo's- 1. I'm presently paying $100/month, per the recommended $60 + some additional to cover folks who are in difficult economics. I'm one month behind but will be catching up as soon as more of my clients' payments come in. In any case this is about as much as I can afford to pay as regular monthly dues. 2. I'm satisfied with any degree and type of access that lets me in without generating data that are mined by outside entities. Physical keys, digital keys of various kinds on in-house systems, intercoms, contraptions, etc., are all good. I do believe in selectivity and trust before giving new members unlimited access (see 4). 3. Spending money on re-branding: YES. We need a consistent logo and graphic symbols, and they should be truly aesthetic and expressive rather than a make-do. Now that we have someone with expertise in branding, we should be able to come up with something that everyone likes, and start using it. 4. If I was a burglar, robber, rapist, etc., I'd be utterly thrilled at getting a keycard for unlimited access the moment I joined. I'll "hard block" on giving unrestricted 24/7 access to new members the moment they join. Principle: safe space. Anyone who has a real interest in membership in the community ought to be willing to wait for some reasonable period of time, and demonstrate a reasonable level of participation, before they get a keycard. 5. Free T-shirts: Yes for people who are in economic difficulties; yes for everyone if that's part of a plan to gain higher visibility and attract new members. Other than those two cases, we can pay for T-shirts, and that will ensure that every T-shirt goes to someone who is actually going to wear it. Just giving them to everyone the moment they join, might end up with some number of them going unworn and thus going to waste. This applies generally to various branded items: it's good to give them away where they'll be visible, but not so good to give them away if they aren't appreciated and won't be visible. Relationships of all kinds, including community, mean more when you have to make some effort for them. "Open" isn't the same thing as "easy." "Easy" is "easy to take for granted," and is also perceived as "oh SudoRoom must be pretty boring if they're that desperate for new members." People value what they have to work for. Another thing we should do for fundraising and for publicity: open public events. The lockpicking thing generated huge publicity. We can create other events to publicize, and those can be free to members but with a requested donation by nonmembers who attend. -G. ===== On 13-04-03-Wed 8:52 PM, rusty lindgren wrote: