9 Sep
2013
9 Sep
'13
2:52 p.m.
Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the community deserves
to know that this happened.
Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom was vandalized. I feel
confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there is no way to
know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls creating what
appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely faithful renditions
but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them.
I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL Saturday around noon.
Our landlord George showed it to me. He was understandably upset, both
about having to clean up the mess and also about the symbolism. His
father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted. I also was not
happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad Vashem.
Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into another tirade in which
nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done by a Sudoroom
member. There was a clear path of association that went: Sudoroom ->
anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested that a kid from
Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But mostly he accused
Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in this conversation,
he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was personally
responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it myself. I actually
found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole event. Not even
offensive, just downright traumatic.
There was the usual fare of yelling about money and society and his
inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me that he was
evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that Laurie would
prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He told me that
Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors for the rest of
the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat them up!" I told
him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for 2:00, please
don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In short, the rant
was a mix of old and new.
Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our other landlord - she
is George's wife and they own the building equally. The way he talked
to her during this rant was very revealing, because she also became a
target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days notice already
prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that attracted
Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of his other
tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her, including that she was
nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a divorce from her.
She just stood there quietly saying nothing, holding their dog on a
leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry you have to see
this." After a while, when George left the room, she apologized to me.
She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he just gets that
way when his buttons are pushed."
They ended up not leaving for a couple hours. Initially George refused
to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it because he wanted
to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would show up to
investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of his other
tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for things like this,
the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please let's just clean
it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left.
I'm not really sure how to wrap up this email. Writing it was
difficult. You will have to draw your own conclusions.
9 Sep
9 Sep
3:01 p.m.
Can we PLEASE have a sudo taskforce that is on-going that attempts to
look for a next space? I would gladly participate, i'm really sick of
reading about such abusive behavior. The space is FAR from an ideal
space, and having an ongoing search would make incidents like these seem
less dire.
On 9/9/13 2:52 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote:
Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the
community deserves
to know that this happened.
Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom was vandalized. I feel
confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there is no way to
know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls creating what
appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely faithful renditions
but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them.
I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL Saturday around noon.
Our landlord George showed it to me. He was understandably upset, both
about having to clean up the mess and also about the symbolism. His
father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted. I also was not
happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad Vashem.
Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into another tirade in which
nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done by a Sudoroom
member. There was a clear path of association that went: Sudoroom ->
anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested that a kid from
Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But mostly he accused
Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in this conversation,
he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was personally
responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it myself. I actually
found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole event. Not even
offensive, just downright traumatic.
There was the usual fare of yelling about money and society and his
inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me that he was
evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that Laurie would
prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He told me that
Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors for the rest of
the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat them up!" I told
him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for 2:00, please
don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In short, the rant
was a mix of old and new.
Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our other landlord - she
is George's wife and they own the building equally. The way he talked
to her during this rant was very revealing, because she also became a
target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days notice already
prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that attracted
Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of his other
tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her, including that she was
nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a divorce from her.
She just stood there quietly saying nothing, holding their dog on a
leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry you have to see
this." After a while, when George left the room, she apologized to me.
She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he just gets that
way when his buttons are pushed."
They ended up not leaving for a couple hours. Initially George refused
to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it because he wanted
to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would show up to
investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of his other
tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for things like this,
the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please let's just clean
it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left.
I'm not really sure how to wrap up this email. Writing it was
difficult. You will have to draw your own conclusions.
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3:27 p.m.
reluctantly ++
Sep 9, 2013 02:58:42 PM, greggahorton(a)gmail.com wrote:
Can we PLEASE have a sudo taskforce that is on-going that attempts to
look for a next space? I would gladly participate,
i'm really sick of
reading about such abusive behavior. The space is FAR from an ideal
space, and having an ongoing search would make incidents like these seem
less dire.
On 9/9/13 2:52 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote:
Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the
community deserves
to know that this happened.
Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom was vandalized. I feel
confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there is no way to
know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls creating what
appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely faithful renditions
but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them.
I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL Saturday around noon.
Our landlord George showed it to me. He was understandably upset, both
about having to clean up the mess and also about the symbolism. His
father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted. I also was not
happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad Vashem.
Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into another tirade in which
nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done by a Sudoroom
member. There was a clear path of association that went: Sudoroom ->
anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested that a kid from
Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But mostly he accused
Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in this conversation,
he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was personally
responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it myself. I actually
found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole event. Not even
offensive, just downright traumatic.
There was the usual fare of yelling about money and society and his
inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me that he was
evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that Laurie would
prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He told me that
Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors for the rest of
the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat them up!" I told
him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for 2:00, please
don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In short, the rant
was a mix of old and new.
Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our other landlord - she
is George's wife and they own the building equally. The way he talked
to her during this rant was very revealing, because she also became a
target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days notice already
prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that attracted
Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of his other
tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her, including that she was
nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a divorce from her.
She just stood there quietly saying nothing, holding their dog on a
leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry you have to see
this." After a while, when George left the room, she apologized to me.
She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he just gets that
way when his buttons are pushed."
They ended up not leaving for a couple hours. Initially George refused
to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it because he wanted
to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would show up to
investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of his other
tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for things like this,
the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please let's just clean
it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left.
I'm not really sure how to wrap up this email. Writing it was
difficult. You will have to draw your own conclusions.
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3:33 p.m.
hi all,
gregg: doocratically, you have the power to initiate this taskforce.
sudoers have already taken the initiative to look for other potential
locations. a few sudoers even looked at a space last week. we discussed it
at last wednesday's meeting. you can see details about the space here:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Space and notes from our discussion of it here:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013-09-04
- marina
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
reluctantly ++
Sep 9, 2013 02:58:42 PM, greggahorton(a)gmail.com wrote:
Can we PLEASE have a sudo taskforce that is on-going that attempts to
look for a next space? I would gladly participate,
i'm really sick of
reading about such abusive behavior. The space is FAR from an ideal
space, and having an ongoing search would make incidents like these seem
less dire.
On 9/9/13 2:52 PM, Yardena Cohen wrote:
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Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the
community deserves
to know that this happened.
Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom was vandalized. I feel
confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there is no way to
know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls creating what
appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely faithful renditions
but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them.
I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL Saturday around noon.
Our landlord George showed it to me. He was understandably upset, both
about having to clean up the mess and also about the symbolism. His
father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted. I also was not
happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad Vashem.
Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into another tirade in which
nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done by a Sudoroom
member. There was a clear path of association that went: Sudoroom ->
anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested that a kid from
Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But mostly he accused
Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in this conversation,
he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was personally
responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it myself. I actually
found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole event. Not even
offensive, just downright traumatic.
There was the usual fare of yelling about money and society and his
inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me that he was
evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that Laurie would
prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He told me that
Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors for the rest of
the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat them up!" I told
him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for 2:00, please
don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In short, the rant
was a mix of old and new.
Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our other landlord - she
is George's wife and they own the building equally. The way he talked
to her during this rant was very revealing, because she also became a
target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days notice already
prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that attracted
Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of his other
tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her, including that she was
nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a divorce from her.
She just stood there quietly saying nothing, holding their dog on a
leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry you have to see
this." After a while, when George left the room, she apologized to me.
She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he just gets that
way when his buttons are pushed."
They ended up not leaving for a couple hours. Initially George refused
to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it because he wanted
to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would show up to
investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of his other
tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for things like this,
the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please let's just clean
it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left.
I'm not really sure how to wrap up this email. Writing it was
difficult. You will have to draw your own conclusions.
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4:12 p.m.
In complete agreement that Sudo cannot survive 2141 broadway. I would also
like to bring to the table the idea that we have two issues: 2141 and
finding a new space. I don't think leaving 2141 needs to be contingent on
finding somthing new. Events can be spread across different venues while
sudo members focus on finding a perminent space. We could even rent a
smaller room in 2141 while this happends.
Just putting it out there...
On Sep 9, 2013 2:52 PM, "Yardena Cohen" <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the
community deserves
to know that this happened.
Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom was vandalized. I feel
confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there is no way to
know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls creating what
appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely faithful renditions
but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them.
I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL Saturday around noon.
Our landlord George showed it to me. He was understandably upset, both
about having to clean up the mess and also about the symbolism. His
father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted. I also was not
happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad Vashem.
Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into another tirade in which
nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done by a Sudoroom
member. There was a clear path of association that went: Sudoroom ->
anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested that a kid from
Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But mostly he accused
Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in this conversation,
he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was personally
responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it myself. I actually
found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole event. Not even
offensive, just downright traumatic.
There was the usual fare of yelling about money and society and his
inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me that he was
evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that Laurie would
prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He told me that
Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors for the rest of
the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat them up!" I told
him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for 2:00, please
don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In short, the rant
was a mix of old and new.
Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our other landlord - she
is George's wife and they own the building equally. The way he talked
to her during this rant was very revealing, because she also became a
target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days notice already
prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that attracted
Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of his other
tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her, including that she was
nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a divorce from her.
She just stood there quietly saying nothing, holding their dog on a
leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry you have to see
this." After a while, when George left the room, she apologized to me.
She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he just gets that
way when his buttons are pushed."
They ended up not leaving for a couple hours. Initially George refused
to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it because he wanted
to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would show up to
investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of his other
tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for things like this,
the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please let's just clean
it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left.
I'm not really sure how to wrap up this email. Writing it was
difficult. You will have to draw your own conclusions.
_______________________________________________
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4:27 p.m.
you mean pack up all our space mining equipment and scatter among the stars in search of a
new homeworld?
Sep 9, 2013 04:12:40 PM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
In complete agreement that Sudo cannot survive 2141 broadway. I would also like to bring
to the table the idea that we have two issues: 2141 and finding a new space. I don't
think leaving 2141 needs to be contingent on finding somthing new. Events can be spread
across different venues while sudo members focus on finding a perminent space. We could
even rent a smaller room in 2141 while this happends.
Just putting it out there...
On Sep 9, 2013 2:52 PM, "Yardena Cohen" yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the community deserves
to know that this happened.
Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom
was vandalized. I feel
confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but
there is no way to
know for sure. They spread human feces along the
walls creating what
appeared to be two swastika shapes - not
entirely faithful renditions
but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in
them.
I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL
Saturday around noon.
Our landlord George showed it to me. He was
understandably upset, both
about having to clean up the mess and also about
the symbolism. His
father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been
targeted. I also was not
happy, as a queer Jew with many family members
in Yad Vashem.
Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into
another tirade in which
nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was
done by a Sudoroom
member. There was a clear path of association
that went: Sudoroom -
anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested that a kid from
Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the
job". But mostly he accused
Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom
in this conversation,
he ended up addressing me over and over as if I
was personally
responsible for this swastika, as if I had done
it myself. I actually
found this to be the most traumatic part of the
whole event. Not even
offensive, just downright traumatic.
There was the usual fare of yelling about money
and society and his
inability to find good tenants. He twice
informed me that he was
evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and
that Laurie would
prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that
before. He told me that
Sudoroom and Public School should close their
doors for the rest of
the day, because "If I see any of them, I
will beat them up!" I told
him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class
scheduled for 2:00, please
don't beat them up. That calmed him down a
little. In short, the rant
was a mix of old and new.
Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our
other landlord - she
is George's wife and they own the building
equally. The way he talked
to her during this rant was very revealing,
because she also became a
target. He yelled at her for not having a
30-days notice already
prepared, for having written the craigslist ads
that attracted
Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally,
many of his other
tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her,
including that she was
nothing but a drain on his life and that he
wanted a divorce from her.
She just stood there quietly saying nothing,
holding their dog on a
leash, looking at me with eyes that said
"I'm sorry you have to see
this." After a while, when George left the
room, she apologized to me.
She said "please don't listen to
anything he said, he just gets that
way when his buttons are pushed."
They ended up not leaving for a couple hours.
Initially George refused
to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean
it because he wanted
to show evidence to the cops, who he believed
would show up to
investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and
several of his other
tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't
show up for things like this,
the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells,
please let's just clean
it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left.
I'm not really sure how to wrap up this
email. Writing it was
difficult. You will have to draw your own
conclusions.
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It makes no sense moving Sudo into another room at 2141 as long as it is
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On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
you mean pack up all our space mining equipment and
scatter among the
stars in search of a new homeworld?
Sep 9, 2013 04:12:40 PM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
In complete agreement that Sudo cannot survive 2141 broadway. I would also
like to bring to the table the idea that we have two issues: 2141 and
finding a new space. I don't think leaving 2141 needs to be contingent on
finding somthing new. Events can be spread across different venues while
sudo members focus on finding a perminent space. We could even rent a
smaller room in 2141 while this happends.
Just putting it out there...
On Sep 9, 2013 2:52 PM, "Yardena Cohen" yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the community deserves
to know that this happened.
Sometime on Friday night, the men's
bathroom was vandalized. I feel
confident that it was an art-murmur
walk-in, but there is no way to
know for sure. They spread human feces
along the walls creating what
appeared to be two swastika shapes - not
entirely faithful renditions
but enough to reasonably perceive
swastikas in them.
I learned of this when I came to set up my
TIL Saturday around noon.
Our landlord George showed it to me. He
was understandably upset, both
about having to clean up the mess and also
about the symbolism. His
father is Jewish. He wondered if he had
been targeted. I also was not
happy, as a queer Jew with many family
members in Yad Vashem.
Unfortunately, this caused him to descend
into another tirade in which
nobody was spared. He assumed right away
it was done by a Sudoroom
member. There was a clear path of
association that went: Sudoroom ->
anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he
even suggested that a kid from
Sudo Kids had "come back to finish
the job". But mostly he accused
Sudo members. Since I was representing
Sudoroom in this conversation,
he ended up addressing me over and over as
if I was personally
responsible for this swastika, as if I had
done it myself. I actually
found this to be the most traumatic part
of the whole event. Not even
offensive, just downright traumatic.
There was the usual fare of yelling about
money and society and his
inability to find good tenants. He twice
informed me that he was
evicting both Sudoroom and the Public
School and that Laurie would
prepare a 30 days notice. He's said
that before. He told me that
Sudoroom and Public School should close
their doors for the rest of
the day, because "If I see any of
them, I will beat them up!" I told
him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux
class scheduled for 2:00, please
don't beat them up. That calmed him
down a little. In short, the rant
was a mix of old and new.
Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie
is our other landlord - she
is George's wife and they own the
building equally. The way he talked
to her during this rant was very
revealing, because she also became a
target. He yelled at her for not having a
30-days notice already
prepared, for having written the
craigslist ads that attracted
Sudoroom and Public School (and,
incidentally, many of his other
tenants). He said quite hurtful things to
her, including that she was
nothing but a drain on his life and that
he wanted a divorce from her.
She just stood there quietly saying
nothing, holding their dog on a
leash, looking at me with eyes that said
"I'm sorry you have to see
this." After a while, when George
left the room, she apologized to me.
She said "please don't listen to
anything he said, he just gets that
way when his buttons are pushed."
They ended up not leaving for a couple
hours. Initially George refused
to clean the bathroom or let anybody else
clean it because he wanted
to show evidence to the cops, who he
believed would show up to
investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie
and several of his other
tenants to convince him that OPD
doesn't show up for things like this,
the cops aren't coming, the bathroom
smells, please let's just clean
it up. Eventually he lost steam and they
left.
I'm not really sure how to wrap up
this email. Writing it was
difficult. You will have to draw your own
conclusions.
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5:12 p.m.
I must admit our location now is simply perfect!
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Liberty Madison
<liberty(a)libertymadison.com>wrote;wrote:
It makes no sense moving Sudo into another room at
2141 as long as it is
govern by George. We need to relocate Sudo. I will be looking at locations
along the Bart transit stops.Please Repeat
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On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
you mean pack up all our space mining equipment
and scatter among the
stars in search of a new homeworld?
Sep 9, 2013 04:12:40 PM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
In complete agreement that Sudo cannot survive 2141 broadway. I would
also like to bring to the table the idea that we have two issues: 2141 and
finding a new space. I don't think leaving 2141 needs to be contingent on
finding somthing new. Events can be spread across different venues while
sudo members focus on finding a perminent space. We could even rent a
smaller room in 2141 while this happends.
Just putting it out there...
On Sep 9, 2013 2:52 PM, "Yardena Cohen" yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the community deserves
to know that this happened.
Sometime on Friday night, the men's
bathroom was vandalized. I feel
confident that it was an art-murmur
walk-in, but there is no way to
know for sure. They spread human feces
along the walls creating what
appeared to be two swastika shapes - not
entirely faithful renditions
but enough to reasonably perceive
swastikas in them.
I learned of this when I came to set up my
TIL Saturday around noon.
Our landlord George showed it to me. He
was understandably upset, both
about having to clean up the mess and also
about the symbolism. His
father is Jewish. He wondered if he had
been targeted. I also was not
happy, as a queer Jew with many family
members in Yad Vashem.
Unfortunately, this caused him to descend
into another tirade in which
nobody was spared. He assumed right away
it was done by a Sudoroom
member. There was a clear path of
association that went: Sudoroom ->
anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he
even suggested that a kid from
Sudo Kids had "come back to finish
the job". But mostly he accused
Sudo members. Since I was representing
Sudoroom in this conversation,
he ended up addressing me over and over as
if I was personally
responsible for this swastika, as if I had
done it myself. I actually
found this to be the most traumatic part
of the whole event. Not even
offensive, just downright traumatic.
There was the usual fare of yelling about
money and society and his
inability to find good tenants. He twice
informed me that he was
evicting both Sudoroom and the Public
School and that Laurie would
prepare a 30 days notice. He's said
that before. He told me that
Sudoroom and Public School should close
their doors for the rest of
the day, because "If I see any of
them, I will beat them up!" I told
him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux
class scheduled for 2:00, please
don't beat them up. That calmed him
down a little. In short, the rant
was a mix of old and new.
Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie
is our other landlord - she
is George's wife and they own the
building equally. The way he talked
to her during this rant was very
revealing, because she also became a
target. He yelled at her for not having a
30-days notice already
prepared, for having written the
craigslist ads that attracted
Sudoroom and Public School (and,
incidentally, many of his other
tenants). He said quite hurtful things to
her, including that she was
nothing but a drain on his life and that
he wanted a divorce from her.
She just stood there quietly saying
nothing, holding their dog on a
leash, looking at me with eyes that said
"I'm sorry you have to see
this." After a while, when George
left the room, she apologized to me.
She said "please don't listen to
anything he said, he just gets that
way when his buttons are pushed."
They ended up not leaving for a couple
hours. Initially George refused
to clean the bathroom or let anybody else
clean it because he wanted
to show evidence to the cops, who he
believed would show up to
investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie
and several of his other
tenants to convince him that OPD
doesn't show up for things like this,
the cops aren't coming, the bathroom
smells, please let's just clean
it up. Eventually he lost steam and they
left.
I'm not really sure how to wrap up
this email. Writing it was
difficult. You will have to draw your own
conclusions.
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10 Sep
10 Sep
12:05 a.m.
I agree with Liberty.
Sudoroom is a great hackerspace, and with the relationship next to the
Public School, the sciences and humanities meet on occasions with
interdisciplinary (humanities + science) communal events that are all
the more refreshing.
If we were to leave, we might want to talk it over with the Public
School too (if it isn't already happening).
-Louis
---
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http://aegia.nu/
+1.202.600.8398
louis.huang(a)aegia.nu
On 2013-09-09 19:00, Liberty Madison wrote:
It makes no sense moving Sudo into another room at
2141 as long as it
is govern by George. We need to relocate Sudo. I will be looking at
locations along the Bart transit stops.Please Repeat
415.937.3785 Text/Talk
About.me/LibertyMadison [2]
#ThatTechGirl [3] is @LibertyMadison [4]
Founder and Host @LifewTechnology [5] :Translating Tech </to> Talk
OPRAH.com Next TV Show Host TOP 40 Finalist www.LibertyMadison.com
[6]
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
you mean pack up all our space mining equipment
and scatter among the
stars in search of a new homeworld?
Sep 9, 2013 04:12:40 PM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
In complete agreement that Sudo cannot survive 2141 broadway. I would
also like to bring to the table the idea that we have two issues: 2141
and finding a new space. I don't think leaving 2141 needs to be
contingent on finding somthing new. Events can be spread across
different venues while sudo members focus on finding a perminent
space. We could even rent a smaller room in 2141 while this happends.
Just putting it out there...
On Sep 9, 2013 2:52 PM, "Yardena Cohen" yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the community deserves
to know that this happened.
Sometime on Friday night, the men's
bathroom was vandalized. I feel
confident that it was an art-murmur
walk-in, but there is no way to
know for sure. They spread human feces
along the walls creating what
appeared to be two swastika shapes - not
entirely faithful renditions
but enough to reasonably perceive
swastikas in them.
I learned of this when I came to set up
my TIL Saturday around noon.
Our landlord George showed it to me. He
was understandably upset,
both
about having to clean up the mess and
also about the symbolism. His
father is Jewish. He wondered if he had
been targeted. I also was not
happy, as a queer Jew with many family
members in Yad Vashem.
Unfortunately, this caused him to descend
into another tirade in
which
nobody was spared. He assumed right away
it was done by a Sudoroom
member. There was a clear path of
association that went: Sudoroom ->
anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he
even suggested that a kid from
Sudo Kids had "come back to finish
the job". But mostly he accused
Sudo members. Since I was representing
Sudoroom in this conversation,
he ended up addressing me over and over
as if I was personally
responsible for this swastika, as if I
had done it myself. I actually
found this to be the most traumatic part
of the whole event. Not even
offensive, just downright traumatic.
There was the usual fare of yelling about
money and society and his
inability to find good tenants. He twice
informed me that he was
evicting both Sudoroom and the Public
School and that Laurie would
prepare a 30 days notice. He's said
that before. He told me that
Sudoroom and Public School should close
their doors for the rest of
the day, because "If I see any of
them, I will beat them up!" I told
him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux
class scheduled for 2:00, please
don't beat them up. That calmed him
down a little. In short, the rant
was a mix of old and new.
Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie
is our other landlord - she
is George's wife and they own the
building equally. The way he talked
to her during this rant was very
revealing, because she also became a
target. He yelled at her for not having a
30-days notice already
prepared, for having written the
craigslist ads that attracted
Sudoroom and Public School (and,
incidentally, many of his other
tenants). He said quite hurtful things to
her, including that she was
nothing but a drain on his life and that
he wanted a divorce from
her.
She just stood there quietly saying
nothing, holding their dog on a
leash, looking at me with eyes that said
"I'm sorry you have to see
this." After a while, when George
left the room, she apologized to
me.
She said "please don't listen to
anything he said, he just gets that
way when his buttons are pushed."
They ended up not leaving for a couple
hours. Initially George
refused
to clean the bathroom or let anybody else
clean it because he wanted
to show evidence to the cops, who he
believed would show up to
investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie
and several of his other
tenants to convince him that OPD
doesn't show up for things like
this,
the cops aren't coming, the bathroom
smells, please let's just clean
it up. Eventually he lost steam and they
left.
I'm not really sure how to wrap up
this email. Writing it was
difficult. You will have to draw your own
conclusions.
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11:02 a.m.
Really sorry to hear what happened in regards to the rant (as I'm sure
there were many innocent victims) but I just wanted to put in a dissenting
voice in about a move.
Sudo Room get's a lot of value from the space, far more than we pay in dues
as we're allowed to use the common space for classes, meet ups and etc
(while we only pay for one room). There are of course a lot of negatives
but so far it seems that the positives (as a whole) outweigh the negatives.
George does do tirades but so far they've been all bark and no bite, plus a
community (like public schools and all of the other small
groups/businesses) have been evolving alongside Sudo room. I'm all for task
forces and finding better spaces but no space (or landlord) will be perfect.
Just my two bitcoins!
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Louis Huang <louis.huang(a)aegia.nu> wrote:
I agree with Liberty.
Sudoroom is a great hackerspace, and with the relationship next to the
Public School, the sciences and humanities meet on occasions with
interdisciplinary (humanities + science) communal events that are all the
more refreshing.
If we were to leave, we might want to talk it over with the Public School
too (if it isn't already happening).
-Louis
---
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http://aegia.nu/
+1.202.600.8398
louis.huang(a)aegia.nu
On 2013-09-09 19:00, Liberty Madison wrote:
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Tel: (415) 825 2705
Conf Call: (650) 741 5013
ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com
http://www.litmususa.com/
http://berkeleybiolabs.com/
www.bamh1.com
www.linkedin.com/in/bethencourt
www.logos-press.com/books/biotechnology_business_development.php
It makes no sense moving Sudo into another room
at 2141 as long as it
is govern by George. We need to relocate Sudo. I will be looking at
locations along the Bart transit stops.Please Repeat
415.937.3785 Text/Talk
About.me/LibertyMadison [2]
#ThatTechGirl [3] is @LibertyMadison [4]
Founder and Host @LifewTechnology [5] :Translating Tech </to> Talk
OPRAH.com Next TV Show Host TOP 40 Finalist www.LibertyMadison.com [6]
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
you mean pack up all our space mining equipment and scatter among the
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Sep 9, 2013 04:12:40 PM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
In complete agreement that Sudo cannot survive 2141 broadway. I would
also like to bring to the table the idea that we have two issues: 2141 and
finding a new space. I don't think leaving 2141 needs to be contingent on
finding somthing new. Events can be spread across different venues while
sudo members focus on finding a perminent space. We could even rent a
smaller room in 2141 while this happends.
Just putting it out there...
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Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the community deserves
to know that this happened.
Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom
was vandalized. I feel
confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there is no way to
know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls creating what
appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely faithful renditions
but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them.
I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL
Saturday around noon.
Our landlord George showed it to me. He was understandably upset, both
about having to clean up the mess and also about the symbolism. His
father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted. I also was not
happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad Vashem.
Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into
another tirade in which
nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done by a Sudoroom
member. There was a clear path of association that went: Sudoroom ->
anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested that a kid from
Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But mostly he accused
Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in this conversation,
he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was personally
responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it myself. I actually
found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole event. Not even
offensive, just downright traumatic.
There was the usual fare of yelling about money
and society and his
inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me that he was
evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that Laurie would
prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He told me that
Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors for the rest of
the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat them up!" I told
him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for 2:00, please
don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In short, the rant
was a mix of old and new.
Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our
other landlord - she
is George's wife and they own the building equally. The way he talked
to her during this rant was very revealing, because she also became a
target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days notice already
prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that attracted
Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of his other
tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her, including that she was
nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a divorce from her.
She just stood there quietly saying nothing,
holding their dog on a
leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry you have to see
this." After a while, when George left the room, she apologized to me.
She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he just gets that
way when his buttons are pushed."
They ended up not leaving for a couple hours.
Initially George refused
to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it because he wanted
to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would show up to
investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of his other
tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for things like this,
the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please let's just clean
it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left.
I'm not really sure how to wrap up this
email. Writing it was
difficult. You will have to draw your own conclusions.
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11:25 a.m.
Why don't we go in on something like this with both groups?
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4010598468.html
Haven't looked at it, but it seems really inexpensive.
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Ryan Bethencourt <
ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Really sorry to hear what happened in regards to the
rant (as I'm sure
there were many innocent victims) but I just wanted to put in a dissenting
voice in about a move.
Sudo Room get's a lot of value from the space, far more than we pay in
dues as we're allowed to use the common space for classes, meet ups and etc
(while we only pay for one room). There are of course a lot of negatives
but so far it seems that the positives (as a whole) outweigh the negatives.
George does do tirades but so far they've been all bark and no bite, plus a
community (like public schools and all of the other small
groups/businesses) have been evolving alongside Sudo room. I'm all for task
forces and finding better spaces but no space (or landlord) will be perfect.
Just my two bitcoins!
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Louis Huang <louis.huang(a)aegia.nu>wrote;wrote:
--
Cheers,
Rusty Lindgren
**
I agree with Liberty.
Sudoroom is a great hackerspace, and with the relationship next to the
Public School, the sciences and humanities meet on occasions with
interdisciplinary (humanities + science) communal events that are all the
more refreshing.
If we were to leave, we might want to talk it over with the Public School
too (if it isn't already happening).
-Louis
---
Louis T. Huang
http://aegia.nu/
+1.202.600.8398
louis.huang(a)aegia.nu
On 2013-09-09 19:00, Liberty Madison wrote:
--
Ryan Bethencourt
Tel: (415) 825 2705
Conf Call: (650) 741 5013
ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com
http://www.litmususa.com/
http://berkeleybiolabs.com/
www.bamh1.com
www.linkedin.com/in/bethencourt
www.logos-press.com/books/biotechnology_business_development.php
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It makes no sense moving Sudo into another room
at 2141 as long as it
is govern by George. We need to relocate Sudo. I will be looking at
locations along the Bart transit stops.Please Repeat
415.937.3785 Text/Talk
About.me/LibertyMadison [2]
#ThatTechGirl [3] is @LibertyMadison [4]
Founder and Host @LifewTechnology [5] :Translating Tech </to> Talk
OPRAH.com Next TV Show Host TOP 40 Finalist www.LibertyMadison.com [6]
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
you mean pack up all our space mining equipment and scatter among the
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stars in search of a new homeworld?
Sep 9, 2013 04:12:40 PM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
In complete agreement that Sudo cannot survive 2141 broadway. I would
also like to bring to the table the idea that we have two issues: 2141 and
finding a new space. I don't think leaving 2141 needs to be contingent on
finding somthing new. Events can be spread across different venues while
sudo members focus on finding a perminent space. We could even rent a
smaller room in 2141 while this happends.
Just putting it out there...
On Sep 9, 2013 2:52 PM, "Yardena Cohen" yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the community deserves
>
> to know that this happened.
>
>
> Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom was vandalized. I feel
>
> confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there is no way to
>
> know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls creating what
>
> appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely faithful renditions
>
> but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them.
>
>
> I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL Saturday around noon.
>
> Our landlord George showed it to me. He was understandably upset, both
>
> about having to clean up the mess and also about the symbolism. His
>
> father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted. I also was not
>
> happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad Vashem.
>
>
> Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into another tirade in which
>
> nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done by a Sudoroom
>
> member. There was a clear path of association that went: Sudoroom ->
>
> anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested that a kid from
>
> Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But mostly he accused
>
> Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in this conversation,
>
> he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was personally
>
> responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it myself. I actually
>
> found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole event. Not even
>
> offensive, just downright traumatic.
>
>
> There was the usual fare of yelling about money and society and his
>
> inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me that he was
>
> evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that Laurie would
>
> prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He told me that
>
> Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors for the rest of
>
> the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat them up!" I told
>
> him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for 2:00, please
>
> don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In short, the rant
>
> was a mix of old and new.
>
>
> Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our other landlord - she
>
> is George's wife and they own the building equally. The way he talked
>
> to her during this rant was very revealing, because she also became a
>
> target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days notice already
>
> prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that attracted
>
> Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of his other
>
> tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her, including that she was
>
> nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a divorce from her.
>
>
> She just stood there quietly saying nothing, holding their dog on a
>
> leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry you have to see
>
> this." After a while, when George left the room, she apologized to me.
>
> She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he just gets that
>
> way when his buttons are pushed."
>
>
> They ended up not leaving for a couple hours. Initially George refused
>
> to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it because he wanted
>
> to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would show up to
>
> investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of his other
>
> tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for things like this,
>
> the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please let's just clean
>
> it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left.
>
>
> I'm not really sure how to wrap up this email. Writing it was
>
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We've used http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show listings
of spaces, look at price points, be knowledgeable about local availability.
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
And these:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html
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4:48 p.m.
Hey all, I sent this to Laurie today:
Laurie,
Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be able to send a
full response? We also need to address the incident on this past Saturday,
which was another unacceptable confrontation and accusation.
Thanks,
Matt
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
We've used http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in
the past to show listings
of spaces, look at price points, be knowledgeable about local availability.
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
And these:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html
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10:12 p.m.
i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him?
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all, I sent this to Laurie today:
Laurie,
Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be able to send a
full response? We also need to address the incident on this past Saturday,
which was another unacceptable confrontation and accusation.
Thanks,
Matt
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
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Be seeing you.
We've used http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show listings
of spaces, look at price points, be knowledgeable about local availability.
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wrote:
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10:05 a.m.
The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all requests
and complaints must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate that if
George approaches you just say, "please put that in writing so I can share
it with the group, thanks" and walk away if you can.
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, johanna faust <female.faust(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him?
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wrote:
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Hey all, I sent this to Laurie today:
Laurie,
Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be able to send
a
full response? We also need to address the
incident on this past
Saturday,
which was another unacceptable confrontation and
accusation.
Thanks,
Matt
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> We've used http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show
listings
> of spaces, look at price points, be
knowledgeable about local
availability.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM, rusty lindgren <
rustylindgren(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
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And these:
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https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html
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11:47 a.m.
reiterating the in-writing requirement is good. just walking away may or may not be so
good - i have so far had the good fortune not to know the depths of these interactions.
Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all requests and complaints
must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate that if George approaches you just say,
"please put that in writing so I can share it with the group, thanks" and walk
away if you can.
>On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, johanna
faust female.faust(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him?
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Senate
mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all, I sent this to Laurie today:
> Laurie,
> Thanks for replying briefly, when do you
expect you will be able to send a
> full response? We also need to address the
incident on this past Saturday,
> which was another unacceptable
confrontation and accusation.
> Thanks,
> Matt
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew
Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> We've used
http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show listings
>> of spaces, look at price points, be
knowledgeable about local availability.
>
>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM, rusty
lindgren rustylindgren(a)gmail.com >> wrote:
>>
>>> And these:
>>
>>>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html
>>>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html
>>
>>
>>>
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>>
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12:40 p.m.
Walking away may not be easy to do as he tends to corner people when they
are alone in the space.
On Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM, "Hol Gaskill" <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
reiterating the in-writing requirement is good. just
walking away may or
may not be so good - i have so far had the good fortune not to know the
depths of these interactions.
Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all requests
and complaints must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate that if
George approaches you just say, "please put that in writing so I can share
it with the group, thanks" and walk away if you can.
>On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM,
johanna faust female.faust(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him?
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew
Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey all, I sent this to Laurie
today:
> Laurie,
> Thanks for replying briefly,
when do you expect you will be able to send
a
> full response? We also need to
address the incident on this past
Saturday,
> which was another unacceptable
confrontation and accusation.
> Thanks,
> Matt
> On Tue, Sep
10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> We've used
http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show
listings
>> of spaces, look at price points,
be knowledgeable about local
availability.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM,
rusty lindgren
rustylindgren(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And these:
>>>
>>>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html
>>>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>>
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>
>>
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7:55 p.m.
Not sure if this is possible, but just throwing it out there since there
seems to be a general consensus that the location is ideal, but the
management is the opposite:
Can sudoroom (or some conglomerate including sudoroom) buy George out? or
convince someone/something friendly to sudoroom to buy him out?
I think it's probably too big to be crowdfunded, but does anyone know
someone profusely wealthy able to take this on? or a group?
I am guessing there are already models for spaces owned by the groups that
operate there, cooperatively maybe?
I'm not necessarily advocating this, but this space in Atlanta is pretty
nice, even though it's been bought by developers for the purpose of
fostering an art community that already existed there, and they have a farm:
http://clatl.com/atlanta/goat-farm-gets-sold/Content?oid=1868024
Not sure what the equivalent in Oakland would be.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:
Walking away may not be easy to do as he tends to
corner people when they
are alone in the space.
On Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM, "Hol Gaskill" <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
reiterating the in-writing requirement is good.
just walking away may or
may not be so good - i have so far had the good fortune not to know the
depths of these interactions.
Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all requests
and complaints must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate that if
George approaches you just say, "please put that in writing so I can share
it with the group, thanks" and walk away if you can.
>On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM,
johanna faust female.faust(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him?
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew
Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey all, I sent this to Laurie
today:
> Laurie,
> Thanks for replying briefly,
when do you expect you will be able to
send a
> full response? We also need to
address the incident on this past
Saturday,
> which was another unacceptable
confrontation and accusation.
> Thanks,
> Matt
> On Tue, Sep
10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> We've used
http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show
listings
>> of spaces, look at price points,
be knowledgeable about local
availability.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM,
rusty lindgren
rustylindgren(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And these:
>>>
>>>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html
>>>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
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+1!!!
Minus - 'it's probably too big to be crowdfunded'
sent from eddan.com
On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is possible, but just throwing it out
there since there seems to be a general consensus that the location is ideal, but the
management is the opposite:
Can sudoroom (or some conglomerate including sudoroom) buy George out? or convince
someone/something friendly to sudoroom to buy him out?
I think it's probably too big to be crowdfunded, but does anyone know someone
profusely wealthy able to take this on? or a group?
I am guessing there are already models for spaces owned by the groups that operate there,
cooperatively maybe?
I'm not necessarily advocating this, but this space in Atlanta is pretty nice, even
though it's been bought by developers for the purpose of fostering an art community
that already existed there, and they have a farm:
http://clatl.com/atlanta/goat-farm-gets-sold/Content?oid=1868024
Not sure what the equivalent in Oakland would be.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:
Walking away may not be easy to do as he tends to
corner people when they are alone in the space.
On Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM, "Hol Gaskill" <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
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just walking away may or may not be so good - i have so far had the good fortune not to
know the depths of these interactions.
Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all requests and complaints
must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate that if George approaches you just say,
"please put that in writing so I can share it with the group, thanks" and walk
away if you can.
>On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM,
johanna faust female.faust(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him?
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew
Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all, I sent this to Laurie
today:
> Laurie,
> Thanks for replying briefly,
when do you expect you will be able to send a
> full response? We also need to
address the incident on this past Saturday,
> which was another unacceptable
confrontation and accusation.
> Thanks,
> Matt
> On Tue, Sep
10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> We've used
http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show listings
>> of spaces, look at price points,
be knowledgeable about local availability.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM,
rusty lindgren rustylindgren(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And these:
>>>
>>>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html
>>>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>
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14 Sep
12:09 p.m.
We have to find out what the building is worth, then someone has to see how
big of a loan we could get as a group (we'd need a tax structure). Once we
find that out we can crowd source for the deposit and first months
mortgage.
It's within the realm of possibility, but would require Sudo Room to become
a land owner and a state/federally recognized entity (like an LLC) with
people on the board having good credit. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
--Andrew
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
+1!!!
Minus - 'it's probably too big to be crowdfunded'
sent from eddan.com
On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is possible, but just throwing it out there since there
seems to be a general consensus that the location is ideal, but the
management is the opposite:
Can sudoroom (or some conglomerate including sudoroom) buy George out? or
convince someone/something friendly to sudoroom to buy him out?
I think it's probably too big to be crowdfunded, but does anyone know
someone profusely wealthy able to take this on? or a group?
I am guessing there are already models for spaces owned by the groups that
operate there, cooperatively maybe?
I'm not necessarily advocating this, but this space in Atlanta is pretty
nice, even though it's been bought by developers for the purpose of
fostering an art community that already existed there, and they have a farm:
http://clatl.com/atlanta/goat-farm-gets-sold/Content?oid=1868024
Not sure what the equivalent in Oakland would be.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:
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Walking away may not be easy to do as he tends to
corner people when they
are alone in the space.
On Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM, "Hol Gaskill" <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
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reiterating the in-writing requirement is good.
just walking away may
or may not be so good - i have so far had the good fortune not to know the
depths of these interactions.
Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all
requests and complaints must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate
that if George approaches you just say, "please put that in writing so I
can share it with the group, thanks" and walk away if you can.
>On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM,
johanna faust female.faust(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him?
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew
Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey all, I sent this to Laurie
today:
> Laurie,
> Thanks for replying briefly,
when do you expect you will be able to
send a
> full response? We also need to
address the incident on this past
Saturday,
> which was another unacceptable
confrontation and accusation.
> Thanks,
> Matt
> On Tue, Sep
10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> We've used
http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show
listings
>> of spaces, look at price points,
be knowledgeable about local
availability.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM,
rusty lindgren
rustylindgren(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And these:
>>>
>>>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html
>>>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
_______________________________________________
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>>>
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>>
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>>>
>>
>
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1:09 p.m.
or it could be structured as a co-op real estate deal.
or an equity crowd funded (starting 9/28) distribution of shares.
Sudo Room can remain what it is. Sudo Co-op, for example, can be the entity with title to
the property.
sent from eddan.com
On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:
We have to find out what the building is worth, then
someone has to see how big of a loan we could get as a group (we'd need a tax
structure). Once we find that out we can crowd source for the deposit and first months
mortgage.
It's within the realm of possibility, but would require Sudo Room to become a land
owner and a state/federally recognized entity (like an LLC) with people on the board
having good credit. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
--Andrew
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
+1!!!
Minus - 'it's probably too big to be crowdfunded'
sent from eddan.com
On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure if this is possible, but just throwing it out there since there seems to be
a general consensus that the location is ideal, but the management is the opposite:
>
> Can sudoroom (or some conglomerate including sudoroom) buy George out? or convince
someone/something friendly to sudoroom to buy him out?
> I think it's probably too big to be crowdfunded, but does anyone know someone
profusely wealthy able to take this on? or a group?
>
> I am guessing there are already models for spaces owned by the groups that operate
there, cooperatively maybe?
>
> I'm not necessarily advocating this, but this space in Atlanta is pretty nice,
even though it's been bought by developers for the purpose of fostering an art
community that already existed there, and they have a farm:
> http://clatl.com/atlanta/goat-farm-gets-sold/Content?oid=1868024
>
> Not sure what the equivalent in Oakland would be.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>> Walking away may not be easy to do as he tends to corner people when they are
alone in the space.
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM, "Hol Gaskill" <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
>>> reiterating the in-writing requirement is good. just walking away may or may
not be so good - i have so far had the good fortune not to know the depths of these
interactions.
>>>
>>> Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
>>> The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all requests and
complaints must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate that if George approaches you
just say, "please put that in writing so I can share it with the group, thanks"
and walk away if you can.
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> >On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, johanna faust
female.faust(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>> >i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him?
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hey all, I sent this to Laurie today:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Laurie,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be able to send
a
>>> >
>>> > full response? We also need to address the incident on this past
Saturday,
>>> >
>>> > which was another unacceptable confrontation and accusation.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Matt
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate
mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> We've used http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show
listings
>>> >
>>> >> of spaces, look at price points, be knowledgeable about local
availability.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM, rusty lindgren
rustylindgren(a)gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >
>>> >>> And these:
>>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >
>>> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html
>>> >
>>> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html
>>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >
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>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
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1:14 p.m.
If it's a California direct public offering, it can be done as equity
already. See people's community market in west Oakland.
On Sep 14, 2013 1:09 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
or it could be structured as a co-op real estate
deal.
or an equity crowd funded (starting 9/28) distribution of shares.
Sudo Room can remain what it is. Sudo Co-op, for example, can be the
entity with title to the property.
sent from eddan.com
On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:
We have to find out what the building is worth, then someone has to see
how big of a loan we could get as a group (we'd need a tax structure). Once
we find that out we can crowd source for the deposit and first months
mortgage.
It's within the realm of possibility, but would require Sudo Room to
become a land owner and a state/federally recognized entity (like an LLC)
with people on the board having good credit. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
--Andrew
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
+1!!!
Minus - 'it's probably too big to be crowdfunded'
sent from eddan.com
On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is possible, but just throwing it out there since there
seems to be a general consensus that the location is ideal, but the
management is the opposite:
Can sudoroom (or some conglomerate including sudoroom) buy George out? or
convince someone/something friendly to sudoroom to buy him out?
I think it's probably too big to be crowdfunded, but does anyone know
someone profusely wealthy able to take this on? or a group?
I am guessing there are already models for spaces owned by the groups
that operate there, cooperatively maybe?
I'm not necessarily advocating this, but this space in Atlanta is pretty
nice, even though it's been bought by developers for the purpose of
fostering an art community that already existed there, and they have a farm:
http://clatl.com/atlanta/goat-farm-gets-sold/Content?oid=1868024
Not sure what the equivalent in Oakland would be.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>wrote;wrote:
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Walking away may not be easy to do as he tends to
corner people when
they are alone in the space.
On Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM, "Hol Gaskill" <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
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reiterating the in-writing requirement is good.
just walking away may
or may not be so good - i have so far had the good fortune not to know the
depths of these interactions.
Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all
requests and complaints must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate
that if George approaches you just say, "please put that in writing so I
can share it with the group, thanks" and walk away if you can.
>
>
>On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, johanna faust female.faust(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him?
>
>
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hey all, I sent this to Laurie today:
>
>
>
> Laurie,
>
>
>
> Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be able to
send a
>
> full response? We also need to address the incident on this past
Saturday,
>
> which was another unacceptable confrontation and accusation.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> We've used http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show
listings
>
>> of spaces, look at price points, be knowledgeable about local
availability.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM, rusty lindgren
rustylindgren(a)gmail.com>
>
>> wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> And these:
>
>>>
>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html
>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> _______________________________________________
>
>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>
>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>
>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
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2:34 p.m.
True. Though there is approx. $25,000 in legal fees in preparation for the CA DPO. Cutting
Edge Capital (Jenny Kassan) did the People's Community Market.
Not sure how the comparison will stack up, but it's problematic that the DPO involves
getting the $25K upfront, in order to raise the DPO money.
Either way, it seems to me like an institutional membership structure might make it a lot
more feasible (i.e., Bay Area Public School, Roshambo Media, Sound Room, Pan Theater, Pan
Theatre, Community Democracy Project, Oakland Wiki, etc. etc.).
sent from eddan.com
On Sep 14, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com> wrote:
If it's a California direct public offering, it
can be done as equity already. See people's community market in west Oakland.
On Sep 14, 2013 1:09 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
> or it could be structured as a co-op real estate deal.
> or an equity crowd funded (starting 9/28) distribution of shares.
>
> Sudo Room can remain what it is. Sudo Co-op, for example, can be the entity with
title to the property.
>
> sent from eddan.com
>
> On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>
>> We have to find out what the building is worth, then someone has to see how big
of a loan we could get as a group (we'd need a tax structure). Once we find that out
we can crowd source for the deposit and first months mortgage.
>>
>> It's within the realm of possibility, but would require Sudo Room to become a
land owner and a state/federally recognized entity (like an LLC) with people on the board
having good credit. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
>>
>> --Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
>>> +1!!!
>>>
>>> Minus - 'it's probably too big to be crowdfunded'
>>>
>>> sent from eddan.com
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not sure if this is possible, but just throwing it out there since there
seems to be a general consensus that the location is ideal, but the management is the
opposite:
>>>>
>>>> Can sudoroom (or some conglomerate including sudoroom) buy George out? or
convince someone/something friendly to sudoroom to buy him out?
>>>> I think it's probably too big to be crowdfunded, but does anyone know
someone profusely wealthy able to take this on? or a group?
>>>>
>>>> I am guessing there are already models for spaces owned by the groups
that operate there, cooperatively maybe?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not necessarily advocating this, but this space in Atlanta is
pretty nice, even though it's been bought by developers for the purpose of fostering
an art community that already existed there, and they have a farm:
>>>> http://clatl.com/atlanta/goat-farm-gets-sold/Content?oid=1868024
>>>>
>>>> Not sure what the equivalent in Oakland would be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>
wrote:
>>>>> Walking away may not be easy to do as he tends to corner people when
they are alone in the space.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM, "Hol Gaskill"
<hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
>>>>>> reiterating the in-writing requirement is good. just walking
away may or may not be so good - i have so far had the good fortune not to know the depths
of these interactions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
>>>>>> The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all
requests and complaints must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate that if George
approaches you just say, "please put that in writing so I can share it with the
group, thanks" and walk away if you can.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, johanna faust
female.faust(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Senate
mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Hey all, I sent this to Laurie today:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Laurie,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be
able to send a
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > full response? We also need to address the incident on this
past Saturday,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > which was another unacceptable confrontation and
accusation.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Matt
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate
mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> We've used http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the
past to show listings
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> of spaces, look at price points, be knowledgeable about
local availability.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM, rusty lindgren
rustylindgren(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>> And these:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > sudo-discuss mailing list
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> Be seeing you.
>>>>>> >
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>>>>>> >
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>>>>>> >
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>>>>>> >
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>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >--
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>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
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>>>>>> >
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5:59 p.m.
Hacker Scouts is gathering funding for a new bigger hackerspace /
headquarters in Oakland. Possibly Sudo Room could get involved and share
the new space with them?
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/832476585/hacker-scouts-oakland-lab
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
True. Though there is approx. $25,000 in legal fees in
preparation for the
CA DPO. Cutting Edge Capital (Jenny Kassan) did the People's Community
Market.
Not sure how the comparison will stack up, but it's problematic that the
DPO involves getting the $25K upfront, in order to raise the DPO money.
Either way, it seems to me like an institutional membership structure
might make it a lot more feasible (i.e., Bay Area Public School, Roshambo
Media, Sound Room, Pan Theater, Pan Theatre, Community Democracy Project,
Oakland Wiki, etc. etc.).
sent from eddan.com
On Sep 14, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
If it's a California direct public offering, it can be done as equity
already. See people's community market in west Oakland.
On Sep 14, 2013 1:09 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
or it could be structured as a co-op real estate
deal.
or an equity crowd funded (starting 9/28) distribution of shares.
Sudo Room can remain what it is. Sudo Co-op, for example, can be the
entity with title to the property.
sent from eddan.com
On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com> wrote:
We have to find out what the building is worth, then someone has to see
how big of a loan we could get as a group (we'd need a tax structure). Once
we find that out we can crowd source for the deposit and first months
mortgage.
It's within the realm of possibility, but would require Sudo Room to
become a land owner and a state/federally recognized entity (like an LLC)
with people on the board having good credit. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
--Andrew
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+1!!!
Minus - 'it's probably too big to be crowdfunded'
sent from eddan.com
On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Julio Rios <julio.rios(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is possible, but just throwing it out there since there
seems to be a general consensus that the location is ideal, but the
management is the opposite:
Can sudoroom (or some conglomerate including sudoroom) buy George out?
or convince someone/something friendly to sudoroom to buy him out?
I think it's probably too big to be crowdfunded, but does anyone know
someone profusely wealthy able to take this on? or a group?
I am guessing there are already models for spaces owned by the groups
that operate there, cooperatively maybe?
I'm not necessarily advocating this, but this space in Atlanta is pretty
nice, even though it's been bought by developers for the purpose of
fostering an art community that already existed there, and they have a farm:
http://clatl.com/atlanta/goat-farm-gets-sold/Content?oid=1868024
Not sure what the equivalent in Oakland would be.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Andrew <andrew(a)roshambomedia.com>wrote;wrote:
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Walking away may not be easy to do as he tends to
corner people when
they are alone in the space.
On Sep 13, 2013 11:47 AM, "Hol Gaskill" <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
> reiterating the in-writing requirement is good. just walking away may
> or may not be so good - i have so far had the good fortune not to know the
> depths of these interactions.
>
> Sep 13, 2013 10:05:48 AM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com wrote:
> The lease that Matt sent out a while ago clearly states that all
> requests and complaints must be in writing. So I would like to reiterate
> that if George approaches you just say, "please put that in writing so I
> can share it with the group, thanks" and walk away if you can.
> >
>
> >
> >On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, johanna faust
> female.faust(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> >i wonder if there is any hopen in talking to him?
> >
>
> >
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey all, I sent this to Laurie today:
> >
> >
> >
> > Laurie,
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be able to
> send a
> >
> > full response? We also need to address the incident on this past
> Saturday,
> >
> > which was another unacceptable confrontation and accusation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matthew Senate mattsenate(a)gmail.com
> >
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >
> >> We've used http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/ in the past to show
> listings
> >
> >> of spaces, look at price points, be knowledgeable about local
> availability.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:31 AM, rusty lindgren
> rustylindgren(a)gmail.com>
> >
> >> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> And these:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4047110117.html
> >
> >>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4015202437.html
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >
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> >
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> >
> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
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10 Sep
11:33 a.m.
For the goals of sudoroom, that's pretty far from bart, but it looks
like a good location besides that.
Its near linden st brewery too!
On 9/10/13 11:25 AM, rusty lindgren wrote:
Why don't we go in on something like this with
both groups?
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/4010598468.html
Haven't looked at it, but it seems really inexpensive.
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Ryan Bethencourt
<ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com <mailto:ryan.bethencourt@gmail.com>> wrote:
Really sorry to hear what happened in regards to the rant (as I'm
sure there were many innocent victims) but I just wanted to put in
a dissenting voice in about a move.
Sudo Room get's a lot of value from the space, far more than we
pay in dues as we're allowed to use the common space for classes,
meet ups and etc (while we only pay for one room). There are of
course a lot of negatives but so far it seems that the positives
(as a whole) outweigh the negatives. George does do tirades but so
far they've been all bark and no bite, plus a community (like
public schools and all of the other small groups/businesses) have
been evolving alongside Sudo room. I'm all for task forces and
finding better spaces but no space (or landlord) will be perfect.
Just my two bitcoins!
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Louis Huang
<louis.huang(a)aegia.nu <mailto:louis.huang@aegia.nu>> wrote:
I agree with Liberty.
Sudoroom is a great hackerspace, and with the relationship
next to the Public School, the sciences and humanities meet on
occasions with interdisciplinary (humanities + science)
communal events that are all the more refreshing.
If we were to leave, we might want to talk it over with the
Public School too (if it isn't already happening).
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On 2013-09-09 19:00, Liberty Madison wrote:
It makes no sense moving Sudo into another room at 2141 as
long as it
is govern by George. We need to relocate Sudo. I will be
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On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Hol Gaskill
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you mean pack up all our space mining equipment and
scatter among the stars in search of a new homeworld?
Sep 9, 2013 04:12:40 PM, andrew(a)roshambomedia.com
<mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com> wrote:
In complete agreement that Sudo cannot survive 2141
broadway. I would also like to bring to the table the
idea that we have two issues: 2141 and finding a new
space. I don't think leaving 2141 needs to be
contingent on finding somthing new. Events can be
spread across different venues while sudo members
focus on finding a perminent space. We could even rent
a smaller room in 2141 while this happends.
Just putting it out there...
On Sep 9, 2013 2:52 PM, "Yardena Cohen"
yardenack(a)gmail.com <mailto:yardenack@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sorry for being slow in documenting this, but the
community deserves
to know that this happened.
Sometime on Friday night, the men's bathroom was
vandalized. I feel
confident that it was an art-murmur walk-in, but there
is no way to
know for sure. They spread human feces along the walls
creating what
appeared to be two swastika shapes - not entirely
faithful renditions
but enough to reasonably perceive swastikas in them.
I learned of this when I came to set up my TIL
Saturday around noon.
Our landlord George showed it to me. He was
understandably upset, both
about having to clean up the mess and also about the
symbolism. His
father is Jewish. He wondered if he had been targeted.
I also was not
happy, as a queer Jew with many family members in Yad
Vashem.
Unfortunately, this caused him to descend into another
tirade in which
nobody was spared. He assumed right away it was done
by a Sudoroom
member. There was a clear path of association that
went: Sudoroom ->
anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he even suggested
that a kid from
Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the job". But
mostly he accused
Sudo members. Since I was representing Sudoroom in
this conversation,
he ended up addressing me over and over as if I was
personally
responsible for this swastika, as if I had done it
myself. I actually
found this to be the most traumatic part of the whole
event. Not even
offensive, just downright traumatic.
There was the usual fare of yelling about money and
society and his
inability to find good tenants. He twice informed me
that he was
evicting both Sudoroom and the Public School and that
Laurie would
prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that before. He
told me that
Sudoroom and Public School should close their doors
for the rest of
the day, because "If I see any of them, I will beat
them up!" I told
him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class scheduled for
2:00, please
don't beat them up. That calmed him down a little. In
short, the rant
was a mix of old and new.
Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie is our other
landlord - she
is George's wife and they own the building equally.
The way he talked
to her during this rant was very revealing, because
she also became a
target. He yelled at her for not having a 30-days
notice already
prepared, for having written the craigslist ads that
attracted
Sudoroom and Public School (and, incidentally, many of
his other
tenants). He said quite hurtful things to her,
including that she was
nothing but a drain on his life and that he wanted a
divorce from her.
She just stood there quietly saying nothing, holding
their dog on a
leash, looking at me with eyes that said "I'm sorry
you have to see
this." After a while, when George left the room, she
apologized to me.
She said "please don't listen to anything he said, he
just gets that
way when his buttons are pushed."
They ended up not leaving for a couple hours.
Initially George refused
to clean the bathroom or let anybody else clean it
because he wanted
to show evidence to the cops, who he believed would
show up to
investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie and several of
his other
tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't show up for
things like this,
the cops aren't coming, the bathroom smells, please
let's just clean
it up. Eventually he lost steam and they left.
I'm not really sure how to wrap up this email. Writing
it was
difficult. You will have to draw your own conclusions.
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