17 Jan
2024
17 Jan
'24
3:02 p.m.
For those who don't know - Jamal has set a clear boundary with us. He is
not willing to be ED as long as Eric remains a sudoroom delegate, due to
concerns about Eric telling lies about him, treating him with disrespect,
and normalizing or tolerating anti-Black attitudes and behaviors.
I am personally not interested in escalating any conflicts with Eric. I do
have concerns as well about Eric's ability to navigate power differentials
or represent marginalized members. I voted against him last week, but I
didn't block because I think saving Omni will require us to focus on bigger
things. But now he's become a direct obstacle. I think that it would be
best for Omni if we honor Jamal's boundary and ask Eric to step down as
delegate.
17 Jan
17 Jan
3:10 p.m.
New subject: [omni-consensus] Retaining our executive director
Consensus: Sketchboard is in favor. Let's clear the obstacles and focus on
the task at hand.
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:02 PM Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
For those who don't know - Jamal has set a clear
boundary with us. He is
not willing to be ED as long as Eric remains a sudoroom delegate, due to
concerns about Eric telling lies about him, treating him with disrespect,
and normalizing or tolerating anti-Black attitudes and behaviors.
I am personally not interested in escalating any conflicts with Eric. I do
have concerns as well about Eric's ability to navigate power differentials
or represent marginalized members. I voted against him last week, but I
didn't block because I think saving Omni will require us to focus on bigger
things. But now he's become a direct obstacle. I think that it would be
best for Omni if we honor Jamal's boundary and ask Eric to step down as
delegate.
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3:34 p.m.
Do we have a Sudoroom meeting tonight, so we can discuss this?
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:03 PM Yardena Cohen via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
For those who don't know - Jamal has set a clear
boundary with us. He is
not willing to be ED as long as Eric remains a sudoroom delegate, due to
concerns about Eric telling lies about him, treating him with disrespect,
and normalizing or tolerating anti-Black attitudes and behaviors.
I am personally not interested in escalating any conflicts with Eric. I do
have concerns as well about Eric's ability to navigate power differentials
or represent marginalized members. I voted against him last week, but I
didn't block because I think saving Omni will require us to focus on bigger
things. But now he's become a direct obstacle. I think that it would be
best for Omni if we honor Jamal's boundary and ask Eric to step down as
delegate.
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4:47 p.m.
New subject: [omni-consensus] Retaining our executive director
The friction between Jamal and Eric was raised at the last delegates
meeting, and it was suggested that the two speak with one another for
understanding and potential resolving differences.
Did the two initiate a conversation and what's the update?
I also don't feel that we should have the power to request a delegate to
step down, and its up to that collective to decide. Maybe I'm missing
something?
Thanks,
Toan
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024, 3:35 PM Sierk <sierk.beij(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Do we have a Sudoroom meeting tonight, so we can
discuss this?
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:03 PM Yardena Cohen via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
For those who don't know - Jamal has set a
clear boundary with us. He is
not willing to be ED as long as Eric remains a sudoroom delegate, due to
concerns about Eric telling lies about him, treating him with disrespect,
and normalizing or tolerating anti-Black attitudes and behaviors.
I am personally not interested in escalating any conflicts with Eric. I
do have concerns as well about Eric's ability to navigate power
differentials or represent marginalized members. I voted against him last
week, but I didn't block because I think saving Omni will require us to
focus on bigger things. But now he's become a direct obstacle. I think that
it would be best for Omni if we honor Jamal's boundary and ask Eric to step
down as delegate.
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5:09 p.m.
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I disagree that we can safely let Jamal go. I have not heard of anyone else
that is willing and able to navigate our current issues and find a
solution. I believe in Jamal's ability to solve our problems.
Last week I helped ensure that sudo room would block any employment
contract that would give Jamal the power to ban Jake and Eric. Whatever the
issue is, I do not believe that unilateral bans are the solution.
That said, there has to be a back and forth. If finding a new delegate is
the alternative to unilateral ban permission, that seems like a compromise
I am willing to accept.
If this is what Jamal needs to move forward and focus on solving the
building's problems, I would join with Yar in asking Eric to accept this
request. Time is running out and I do not believe anyone else has the skill
to serve as ED and solve our problems before we lose the building, and that
is an outcome I am not willing to accept.
I will not be able to attend tonight's meeting, but if someone could please
read out this statement at an appropriate time I would appreciate it.
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 4:48 PM Toan Nguyen via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
The friction between Jamal and Eric was raised at the
last delegates
meeting, and it was suggested that the two speak with one another for
understanding and potential resolving differences.
Did the two initiate a conversation and what's the update?
I also don't feel that we should have the power to request a delegate to
step down, and its up to that collective to decide. Maybe I'm missing
something?
Thanks,
Toan
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024, 3:35 PM Sierk <sierk.beij(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Do we have a Sudoroom meeting tonight, so we can
discuss this?
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:03 PM Yardena Cohen via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
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For those who don't know - Jamal has set a
clear boundary with us. He is
not willing to be ED as long as Eric remains a sudoroom delegate, due to
concerns about Eric telling lies about him, treating him with disrespect,
and normalizing or tolerating anti-Black attitudes and behaviors.
I am personally not interested in escalating any conflicts with Eric. I
do have concerns as well about Eric's ability to navigate power
differentials or represent marginalized members. I voted against him last
week, but I didn't block because I think saving Omni will require us to
focus on bigger things. But now he's become a direct obstacle. I think that
it would be best for Omni if we honor Jamal's boundary and ask Eric to step
down as delegate.
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5:42 p.m.
New subject: [omni-consensus] Retaining our executive director
Following up to say that I am hearing from Eric he has tried to communicate
with Jamal about these issues and not received responses, so I would like
more information about that. It is very hard for me to keep track of all of
these interpersonal conflicts when I have other things to focus on, and my
view may not be the most accurate.
I just ask that we all remember the most important thing is Omni's
survival. If we have unresolvable differences and we can make concessions
that move us forward I would support that, but I want to ensure we are
seeing good faith engagement from both sides.
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 5:09 PM Taylor Alexander <tlalexander(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I disagree that we can safely let Jamal go. I have not
heard of anyone
else that is willing and able to navigate our current issues and find a
solution. I believe in Jamal's ability to solve our problems.
Last week I helped ensure that sudo room would block any employment
contract that would give Jamal the power to ban Jake and Eric. Whatever the
issue is, I do not believe that unilateral bans are the solution.
That said, there has to be a back and forth. If finding a new delegate is
the alternative to unilateral ban permission, that seems like a compromise
I am willing to accept.
If this is what Jamal needs to move forward and focus on solving the
building's problems, I would join with Yar in asking Eric to accept this
request. Time is running out and I do not believe anyone else has the skill
to serve as ED and solve our problems before we lose the building, and that
is an outcome I am not willing to accept.
I will not be able to attend tonight's meeting, but if someone could
please read out this statement at an appropriate time I would appreciate it.
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 4:48 PM Toan Nguyen via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
The friction between Jamal and Eric was raised at
the last delegates
meeting, and it was suggested that the two speak with one another for
understanding and potential resolving differences.
Did the two initiate a conversation and what's the update?
I also don't feel that we should have the power to request a delegate to
step down, and its up to that collective to decide. Maybe I'm missing
something?
Thanks,
Toan
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024, 3:35 PM Sierk <sierk.beij(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Do we have a Sudoroom meeting tonight, so we can
discuss this?
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:03 PM Yardena Cohen via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
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For those who don't know - Jamal has set a
clear boundary with us. He
is not willing to be ED as long as Eric remains a sudoroom delegate, due to
concerns about Eric telling lies about him, treating him with disrespect,
and normalizing or tolerating anti-Black attitudes and behaviors.
I am personally not interested in escalating any conflicts with Eric. I
do have concerns as well about Eric's ability to navigate power
differentials or represent marginalized members. I voted against him last
week, but I didn't block because I think saving Omni will require us to
focus on bigger things. But now he's become a direct obstacle. I think that
it would be best for Omni if we honor Jamal's boundary and ask Eric to step
down as delegate.
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6:35 p.m.
New subject: [omni-consensus] Retaining our executive director
I also haven't heard of anyone willing or able to be the Omni ED in the
last year or few. I also know that Silver, a powerhouse of the Omni, was
planning to step down completely from all the badass organizing around the
Omni, but Jamal directly asked Silver to stay on to be on with him as ED.
It used to be like pulling teeth to get a sudo delegate, however I believe
there are many. I don't think we need to ask Eric to step down, however I
think it's fair to ask that.
During the whole CLP mess, I told Andy I would consider stepping into sudo
delegate. Partially because of the accusations of the delegates meetings
being all white folks. Andy's response left me thinking that may not have
been a good enough reason to do so, however it feels that the existential
crisis surrounding the Omni has no trajectory for getting better, so I
would offer to step up as delegate if that is supportive.
(I'm unfortunately busy most wednesdays 530-9p for the forseeable future so
wouldn't be able to come to most meetings)
here to support,
ajay
18 Jan
18 Jan
7:25 a.m.
New subject: [omni-consensus] Retaining our executive director
Update: Eric and Paige have both stepped down, and sudoroom has voted in
Alex as our new delegate.
I am relieved and grateful. I choose to interpret this change as an act of
hope, optimism and solidarity from all parties. I hope we can work to
resolve the issues that led us here in good faith, while moving forward for
the sake of the project.
9:46 a.m.
New subject: [omni-consensus] Re: Retaining our executive director
I just want to acknowledge Eric and Paige for their work on getting Omni
organized for the return fire inspection… and for acting as delegates
during this fraught time.
Sarah L
On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 7:26 AM Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Update: Eric and Paige have both stepped down, and
sudoroom has voted in
Alex as our new delegate.
I am relieved and grateful. I choose to interpret this change as an act of
hope, optimism and solidarity from all parties. I hope we can work to
resolve the issues that led us here in good faith, while moving forward for
the sake of the project.
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Thank you so much to Eric and Paige for all of your past and ongoing
efforts to make Sudo and Omni thrive. I really appreciate it.
On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 9:47 AM Sarah Lockhart <sarah.ee.el(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I just want to acknowledge Eric and Paige for their
work on getting Omni
organized for the return fire inspection… and for acting as delegates
during this fraught time.
Sarah L
On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 7:26 AM Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Update: Eric and Paige have both stepped down,
and sudoroom has voted in
Alex as our new delegate.
I am relieved and grateful. I choose to interpret this change as an act
of hope, optimism and solidarity from all parties. I hope we can work to
resolve the issues that led us here in good faith, while moving forward for
the sake of the project.
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And yay Alex! This is a great choice I appreciate everyone’s effort to come
together. Thank you Alex I know we will be in good hands.
On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 1:22 PM Taylor Alexander <tlalexander(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Thank you so much to Eric and Paige for all of your
past and ongoing
efforts to make Sudo and Omni thrive. I really appreciate it.
On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 9:47 AM Sarah Lockhart <sarah.ee.el(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I just want to acknowledge Eric and Paige for
their work on getting Omni
organized for the return fire inspection… and for acting as delegates
during this fraught time.
Sarah L
On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 7:26 AM Yardena Cohen <yardenack(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Update: Eric and Paige have both stepped down,
and sudoroom has voted in
Alex as our new delegate.
I am relieved and grateful. I choose to interpret this change as an act
of hope, optimism and solidarity from all parties. I hope we can work to
resolve the issues that led us here in good faith, while moving forward for
the sake of the project.
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17 Jan
17 Jan
3:35 p.m.
I think we can safely let Jamal go. I really don't see what he is really
able to do for us, and he seemed mainly interested in banning or
sidelining people he saw as obstacles, using spurious arguments as
justification. More clarity in leadership would be a good thing, but
eliminating our delegate seems like a step backward. I do think we need
to institute some kind of governing body, like a board, that can make
decisions without long, tedious, and counterproductive general meetings.
It needs to focus on saving the space, or if that's not possible, saving
the equity built up for the benefit of the existing stakeholders.
AW
On 1/17/2024 3:02 PM, Yardena Cohen via sudo-discuss wrote:
For those who don't know - Jamal has set a clear
boundary with us. He
is not willing to be ED as long as Eric remains a sudoroom delegate,
due to concerns about Eric telling lies about him, treating him with
disrespect, and normalizing or tolerating anti-Black attitudes and
behaviors.
I am personally not interested in escalating any conflicts with Eric.
I do have concerns as well about Eric's ability to navigate power
differentials or represent marginalized members. I voted against him
last week, but I didn't block because I think saving Omni will require
us to focus on bigger things. But now he's become a direct obstacle. I
think that it would be best for Omni if we honor Jamal's boundary and
ask Eric to step down as delegate.
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