Re: [sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] email archives for list members only, except announce?
4 Oct
2014
4 Oct
'14
3:25 p.m.
Concur'd on all points, Matt. If people are concerned about their
contributions being publicly viewable, they can post to 'confidential' or
another private list - or simply have an in-person conversation. I'd like
to know the particular use cases for which we would need closed, private
mailing lists - because I strongly believe that open and transparent
communication and documentation is essential to this project having an
impact not just within our community, but for the wider world. If we intend
to create something greater than ourselves, our methods of organizing, the
problems we face and overcome, the things that bind or break us, our
experiences of creating the space and communicating about it, all of this
is vital and important knowledge we have a responsibility to share so that
others may learn from, iterate off, adapt, fork, and possibly change their
own corners of the world for the better, inspired by what we're doing here.
Let's not keep our history to ourselves. Knowing that our communications
are public and archivable also keeps us accountable to ourselves, each
other, and the world. We should always _expect_ what we communicate online
to become potentially public, and may as well just own it, be responsible
for our words, and communicate with kindness and wisdom - because words are
often the most powerful artifacts we leave behind for future generations to
inherit.
My favorite quote on communication, in particular the debate of dialogue
vs. dissemination and the way in which communication flows from internal
dialogue to outward dissemination:
Justice that is not loving is not just; love that is not just is not
loving. Just so, dissemination without dialogue can become stray scatter,
and dialogue without dissemination can be interminable tyranny. The motto
of communication theory ought to be: Dialogue with the self, dissemination
with the other. This is another way of stating the ethical maxim: Treat
yourself like an other and the other like a self.
(John Durham Peters, Speaking Into the Air: A History of the Idea of
Communication, p. 57)
Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://thepyre.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
David,
I understand what you're sharing about the experiences you have had with
people seeking voice and space in this project.
However, I do not believe that flipping bits from public to private on our
email list archives will change that. I think Jordan's implementation of a
*helpdesk@* list (private archives to protect senders), and leveraging
clear public-facing, private (or semi-private), and alternative
communication channels (e.g. physical "anonymous comment box" by the front
door) are all *excellent* ways to approach these situations. We should
set up a *whistleblower(a)lists.omnicommons.org
<whistleblower(a)lists.omnicommons.org> *or *leaks(a)lists.omnicommons.org
<leaks(a)lists.omnicommons.org>* for instance!
Historically, I have had more than a handful of conversations with folks
(some active members, other allies elsewhere in the world) who have used
and read the public archives of the sudo room email lists for their
information and for all of our benefit. We depend on this form of
participation to continue to exist. Further, we link to these discussions
in our email threads, on the wiki, and elsewhere.
We must be *clear* about what is *public* versus *private,* but we should
challenge ourselves to make more communications available (indexed by
google also means we can link to it on the public web... the structure of
the web that was valuable *even before *search engines and the
information search engines use to crawl content and formulate rankings,
etc). We can also encourage search engines not to index this content to
keep it unsearchable, but probably the folks who typically want to search
it will be us and our community.
To me, a good number of our problems right now correspond to *access*,
*transparency*, and *engaging new participants*. In light of these
issues, there is a clear direction for us to travel in which we should
value *"open, public discourses over closed, proprietary processes"* as
well as *"access and transparency over exclusivity"* in order to *"solve
real problems over hypotheticals, while respecting visions of the future"*
- https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Values
All three of us on this thread so far are sudo room members, what do you
all think about these values I've shared?
// Matt
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM, David Keenan
<dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
_______________________________________________
discuss mailing list
discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org
https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss
I would like to help you welcome new members - if
I can get those
notices, I
will reply and copy you and Jenny.
We already have a list called "helpdesk" which is for receiving
private emails about the omni, so if we all CC helpdesk then others
know what's being done and how it's being done. Perhaps if we notice
subscriptions from somebody new, we can forward the request to
helpdesk!
Anybody interested in being part of the general email liaison /
outreach team, please subscribe. :)
https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/helpdesk
_______________________________________________
discuss mailing list
discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org
https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss
4 Oct
4 Oct
3:46 p.m.
New subject: [omni-discuss] email archives for list members only, except announce?
Apologies, Mia, I was composing my email and sent it off before I saw you'd
replied. I'm sorry to hear you've had such a scary experience, and totally
empathize.
The issue of protecting one's personal identity is a different issue than
concealing all of our community's communications from public visibility.
Openness and transparency is critical to any radical endeavor, and rather
than resorting to the easy solution of locking things down, I think it's
important we endeavor to find creative solutions to tangible problems.
The former problem of protecting one's personal identity can be solved by
creating a pseudonymous identity from which to communicate with the group.
Several members of this list (and many members of sudo) use pseudonyms when
communicating with the community - some of them use those pseudonyms for
all online communications and also in-person! I'd be happy to help anyone
interested in creating a pseudonymous identity.
With love,
Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://thepyre.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Concur'd on all points, Matt. If people are
concerned about their
contributions being publicly viewable, they can post to 'confidential' or
another private list - or simply have an in-person conversation. I'd like
to know the particular use cases for which we would need closed, private
mailing lists - because I strongly believe that open and transparent
communication and documentation is essential to this project having an
impact not just within our community, but for the wider world. If we intend
to create something greater than ourselves, our methods of organizing, the
problems we face and overcome, the things that bind or break us, our
experiences of creating the space and communicating about it, all of this
is vital and important knowledge we have a responsibility to share so that
others may learn from, iterate off, adapt, fork, and possibly change their
own corners of the world for the better, inspired by what we're doing here.
Let's not keep our history to ourselves. Knowing that our communications
are public and archivable also keeps us accountable to ourselves, each
other, and the world. We should always _expect_ what we communicate online
to become potentially public, and may as well just own it, be responsible
for our words, and communicate with kindness and wisdom - because words are
often the most powerful artifacts we leave behind for future generations to
inherit.
My favorite quote on communication, in particular the debate of dialogue
vs. dissemination and the way in which communication flows from internal
dialogue to outward dissemination:
Justice that is not loving is not just; love that is not just is not
loving. Just so, dissemination without dialogue can become stray scatter,
and dialogue without dissemination can be interminable tyranny. The motto
of communication theory ought to be: Dialogue with the self, dissemination
with the other. This is another way of stating the ethical maxim: Treat
yourself like an other and the other like a self.
(John Durham Peters, Speaking Into the Air: A History of the Idea of
Communication, p. 57)
Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://thepyre.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
David,
I understand what you're sharing about the experiences you have had with
people seeking voice and space in this project.
However, I do not believe that flipping bits from public to private on
our email list archives will change that. I think Jordan's implementation
of a *helpdesk@* list (private archives to protect senders), and
leveraging clear public-facing, private (or semi-private), and alternative
communication channels (e.g. physical "anonymous comment box" by the front
door) are all *excellent* ways to approach these situations. We should
set up a *whistleblower(a)lists.omnicommons.org
<whistleblower(a)lists.omnicommons.org> *or *leaks(a)lists.omnicommons.org
<leaks(a)lists.omnicommons.org>* for instance!
Historically, I have had more than a handful of conversations with folks
(some active members, other allies elsewhere in the world) who have used
and read the public archives of the sudo room email lists for their
information and for all of our benefit. We depend on this form of
participation to continue to exist. Further, we link to these discussions
in our email threads, on the wiki, and elsewhere.
We must be *clear* about what is *public* versus *private,* but we
should challenge ourselves to make more communications available (indexed
by google also means we can link to it on the public web... the structure
of the web that was valuable *even before *search engines and the
information search engines use to crawl content and formulate rankings,
etc). We can also encourage search engines not to index this content to
keep it unsearchable, but probably the folks who typically want to search
it will be us and our community.
To me, a good number of our problems right now correspond to *access*,
*transparency*, and *engaging new participants*. In light of these
issues, there is a clear direction for us to travel in which we should
value *"open, public discourses over closed, proprietary processes"* as
well as *"access and transparency over exclusivity"* in order to *"solve
real problems over hypotheticals, while respecting visions of the future"*
- https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Values
All three of us on this thread so far are sudo room members, what do you
all think about these values I've shared?
// Matt
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM, David Keenan
<dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
_______________________________________________
discuss mailing list
discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org
https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss
I would like to help you welcome new members - if
I can get those
notices, I
will reply and copy you and Jenny.
We already have a list called "helpdesk" which is for receiving
private emails about the omni, so if we all CC helpdesk then others
know what's being done and how it's being done. Perhaps if we notice
subscriptions from somebody new, we can forward the request to
helpdesk!
Anybody interested in being part of the general email liaison /
outreach team, please subscribe. :)
https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/helpdesk
_______________________________________________
discuss mailing list
discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org
https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss
4:33 p.m.
New subject: [omni-discuss] email archives for list members only, except announce?
Wow.
Justice that is not loving is not just; love that is not just is not
loving. Just so, dissemination without dialogue can become stray scatter,
and dialogue without dissemination can be interminable tyranny. The motto
of communication theory ought to be: Dialogue with the self, dissemination
with the other. This is another way of stating the ethical maxim: Treat
yourself like an other and the other like a self.
I had to re-post that simply for the poetry of it.
Thanks Jenny, I always appreciate your view on these issues, and I hope you
can also share with other Omni Commoners some more elements of your
personal experiences with online communication.
Mia,
Thanks for sharing more of your perspective. I definitely see where you are
coming from.
At sudo room we encourage developing our knowledge and experience with
issues concerning privacy and security in all realms: digital, network and
otherwise. I think there is a lot of potential to expand these questions,
experiences, and practices to the wider Omni Oakland Collective community.
I have to re-iterate what Jenny pointed out: considering that all online
communications are potentially public. This is salient. Consider the
implications if we remember that storing information on a digital device,
passing information over a digital network, and storing information with
online services (e.g. email providers) are inherently at risk to being
accessed, copied, or intercepted by others, intentionally or
unintentionally.
I already suggested some things we currently do to address these issues
(e.g. make it clear to the public how to contact us, funneling that traffic
into a more private location like helpdesk(a)lists.omnicommons.org).
On top of this, I'm starting to think that the issues that you have brought
up can be addressed much better at an individual and community-of-practice
scale, rather than flipping the "public" to "private" switch for
(some)
list archives. By educating each other and elevating our knowledge about
communication, privacy, and security, we can protect ourselves, one
another, and members of the general public (our friends, allies, comrades,
and prospective collaborators among them). Here's how:
- Build Awareness of Privacy and Security
- Audit our existing communication culture, understand how and why we
communicate the way we do.
- Research best practices and parallel examples in other (especially
similar) communities.
- Learn about the risks associated with various forms of communication
- Identify ways to improve our practices to ensure our communications
are more appropriate for various circumstances and concerns.
- Pseudonyms / Nyms / Real Names
- Reinforce the idea that we do not need to have any "real names"
policy, meaning by default for communication, and for most
purposes, we do
not need your real name, you can share any "nym" that you prefer, even
multiple.
- Encourage use of pseudonymous and anonymous communication, like an
email address that is not associated with one's real name or an anonymous
"comment box", respectively.
- Perhaps we can dole out @omnicommons.org addresses in order to
protect users' email addresses and therefore elements of their identities?
- Use End-to-End Encryption
- Educate and encourage attempts to use secure communication using
end-to-end encryption techniques. Meaning, you encrypt your message, then
you provide a mechanism for your recipient to decrypt that
message and read
it; they encrypt their response, you use a mechanism to decrypt it, and
read their response.
- There exist tools for popular communication mechanisms including:
- email
- chat
- text messaging
- phone calls
- sneaker net (walking data between computers)
- Personalize Protection
- Leverage our community's knowledge to work with folks on a
case-by-case basis to address individual needs.
And I'm sure there's much more we can do.
// Matt
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Concur'd on all points, Matt. If people are
concerned about their
contributions being publicly viewable, they can post to 'confidential' or
another private list - or simply have an in-person conversation. I'd like
to know the particular use cases for which we would need closed, private
mailing lists - because I strongly believe that open and transparent
communication and documentation is essential to this project having an
impact not just within our community, but for the wider world. If we intend
to create something greater than ourselves, our methods of organizing, the
problems we face and overcome, the things that bind or break us, our
experiences of creating the space and communicating about it, all of this
is vital and important knowledge we have a responsibility to share so that
others may learn from, iterate off, adapt, fork, and possibly change their
own corners of the world for the better, inspired by what we're doing here.
Let's not keep our history to ourselves. Knowing that our communications
are public and archivable also keeps us accountable to ourselves, each
other, and the world. We should always _expect_ what we communicate online
to become potentially public, and may as well just own it, be responsible
for our words, and communicate with kindness and wisdom - because words are
often the most powerful artifacts we leave behind for future generations to
inherit.
My favorite quote on communication, in particular the debate of dialogue
vs. dissemination and the way in which communication flows from internal
dialogue to outward dissemination:
Justice that is not loving is not just; love that is not just is not
loving. Just so, dissemination without dialogue can become stray scatter,
and dialogue without dissemination can be interminable tyranny. The motto
of communication theory ought to be: Dialogue with the self, dissemination
with the other. This is another way of stating the ethical maxim: Treat
yourself like an other and the other like a self.
(John Durham Peters, Speaking Into the Air: A History of the Idea of
Communication, p. 57)
Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://thepyre.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
David,
I understand what you're sharing about the experiences you have had with
people seeking voice and space in this project.
However, I do not believe that flipping bits from public to private on
our email list archives will change that. I think Jordan's implementation
of a *helpdesk@* list (private archives to protect senders), and
leveraging clear public-facing, private (or semi-private), and alternative
communication channels (e.g. physical "anonymous comment box" by the front
door) are all *excellent* ways to approach these situations. We should
set up a *whistleblower(a)lists.omnicommons.org
<whistleblower(a)lists.omnicommons.org> *or *leaks(a)lists.omnicommons.org
<leaks(a)lists.omnicommons.org>* for instance!
Historically, I have had more than a handful of conversations with folks
(some active members, other allies elsewhere in the world) who have used
and read the public archives of the sudo room email lists for their
information and for all of our benefit. We depend on this form of
participation to continue to exist. Further, we link to these discussions
in our email threads, on the wiki, and elsewhere.
We must be *clear* about what is *public* versus *private,* but we
should challenge ourselves to make more communications available (indexed
by google also means we can link to it on the public web... the structure
of the web that was valuable *even before *search engines and the
information search engines use to crawl content and formulate rankings,
etc). We can also encourage search engines not to index this content to
keep it unsearchable, but probably the folks who typically want to search
it will be us and our community.
To me, a good number of our problems right now correspond to *access*,
*transparency*, and *engaging new participants*. In light of these
issues, there is a clear direction for us to travel in which we should
value *"open, public discourses over closed, proprietary processes"* as
well as *"access and transparency over exclusivity"* in order to *"solve
real problems over hypotheticals, while respecting visions of the future"*
- https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Values
All three of us on this thread so far are sudo room members, what do you
all think about these values I've shared?
// Matt
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM, David Keenan
<dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
_______________________________________________
discuss mailing list
discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org
https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss
I would like to help you welcome new members - if
I can get those
notices, I
will reply and copy you and Jenny.
We already have a list called "helpdesk" which is for receiving
private emails about the omni, so if we all CC helpdesk then others
know what's being done and how it's being done. Perhaps if we notice
subscriptions from somebody new, we can forward the request to
helpdesk!
Anybody interested in being part of the general email liaison /
outreach team, please subscribe. :)
https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/helpdesk
_______________________________________________
discuss mailing list
discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org
https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss
5:26 p.m.
New subject: [omni-discuss] email archives for list members only, except announce?
Beautiful!
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Wow.
Justice that is not loving is not just; love that is not just is not
loving. Just so, dissemination without dialogue can become stray scatter,
and dialogue without dissemination can be interminable tyranny. The motto
of communication theory ought to be: Dialogue with the self, dissemination
with the other. This is another way of stating the ethical maxim: Treat
yourself like an other and the other like a self.
I had to re-post that simply for the poetry of it.
Thanks Jenny, I always appreciate your view on these issues, and I hope
you can also share with other Omni Commoners some more elements of your
personal experiences with online communication.
Mia,
Thanks for sharing more of your perspective. I definitely see where you
are coming from.
At sudo room we encourage developing our knowledge and experience with
issues concerning privacy and security in all realms: digital, network and
otherwise. I think there is a lot of potential to expand these questions,
experiences, and practices to the wider Omni Oakland Collective community.
I have to re-iterate what Jenny pointed out: considering that all online
communications are potentially public. This is salient. Consider the
implications if we remember that storing information on a digital device,
passing information over a digital network, and storing information with
online services (e.g. email providers) are inherently at risk to being
accessed, copied, or intercepted by others, intentionally or
unintentionally.
I already suggested some things we currently do to address these issues
(e.g. make it clear to the public how to contact us, funneling that traffic
into a more private location like helpdesk(a)lists.omnicommons.org).
On top of this, I'm starting to think that the issues that you have
brought up can be addressed much better at an individual and
community-of-practice scale, rather than flipping the "public" to
"private"
switch for (some) list archives. By educating each other and elevating our
knowledge about communication, privacy, and security, we can protect
ourselves, one another, and members of the general public (our friends,
allies, comrades, and prospective collaborators among them). Here's how:
- Build Awareness of Privacy and Security
- Audit our existing communication culture, understand how and why
we communicate the way we do.
- Research best practices and parallel examples in other
(especially similar) communities.
- Learn about the risks associated with various forms of
communication
- Identify ways to improve our practices to ensure our
communications are more appropriate for various circumstances and concerns.
- Pseudonyms / Nyms / Real Names
- Reinforce the idea that we do not need to have any "real names"
policy, meaning by default for communication, and for most purposes, we do
not need your real name, you can share any "nym" that you prefer, even
multiple.
- Encourage use of pseudonymous and anonymous communication, like
an email address that is not associated with one's real name or an
anonymous "comment box", respectively.
- Perhaps we can dole out @omnicommons.org addresses in order to
protect users' email addresses and therefore elements of their identities?
- Use End-to-End Encryption
- Educate and encourage attempts to use secure communication using
end-to-end encryption techniques. Meaning, you encrypt your message, then
you provide a mechanism for your recipient to decrypt that message and read
it; they encrypt their response, you use a mechanism to decrypt it, and
read their response.
- There exist tools for popular communication mechanisms including:
- email
- chat
- text messaging
- phone calls
- sneaker net (walking data between computers)
- Personalize Protection
- Leverage our community's knowledge to work with folks on a
case-by-case basis to address individual needs.
And I'm sure there's much more we can do.
// Matt
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
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Concur'd on all points, Matt. If people are
concerned about their
contributions being publicly viewable, they can post to 'confidential' or
another private list - or simply have an in-person conversation. I'd like
to know the particular use cases for which we would need closed, private
mailing lists - because I strongly believe that open and transparent
communication and documentation is essential to this project having an
impact not just within our community, but for the wider world. If we intend
to create something greater than ourselves, our methods of organizing, the
problems we face and overcome, the things that bind or break us, our
experiences of creating the space and communicating about it, all of this
is vital and important knowledge we have a responsibility to share so that
others may learn from, iterate off, adapt, fork, and possibly change their
own corners of the world for the better, inspired by what we're doing here.
Let's not keep our history to ourselves. Knowing that our communications
are public and archivable also keeps us accountable to ourselves, each
other, and the world. We should always _expect_ what we communicate online
to become potentially public, and may as well just own it, be responsible
for our words, and communicate with kindness and wisdom - because words are
often the most powerful artifacts we leave behind for future generations to
inherit.
My favorite quote on communication, in particular the debate of dialogue
vs. dissemination and the way in which communication flows from internal
dialogue to outward dissemination:
Justice that is not loving is not just; love that is not just is not
loving. Just so, dissemination without dialogue can become stray scatter,
and dialogue without dissemination can be interminable tyranny. The motto
of communication theory ought to be: Dialogue with the self, dissemination
with the other. This is another way of stating the ethical maxim: Treat
yourself like an other and the other like a self.
(John Durham Peters, Speaking Into the Air: A History of the Idea of
Communication, p. 57)
Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://thepyre.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
David,
I understand what you're sharing about the experiences you have had with
people seeking voice and space in this project.
However, I do not believe that flipping bits from public to private on
our email list archives will change that. I think Jordan's implementation
of a *helpdesk@* list (private archives to protect senders), and
leveraging clear public-facing, private (or semi-private), and alternative
communication channels (e.g. physical "anonymous comment box" by the front
door) are all *excellent* ways to approach these situations. We should
set up a *whistleblower(a)lists.omnicommons.org
<whistleblower(a)lists.omnicommons.org> *or *leaks(a)lists.omnicommons.org
<leaks(a)lists.omnicommons.org>* for instance!
Historically, I have had more than a handful of conversations with folks
(some active members, other allies elsewhere in the world) who have used
and read the public archives of the sudo room email lists for their
information and for all of our benefit. We depend on this form of
participation to continue to exist. Further, we link to these discussions
in our email threads, on the wiki, and elsewhere.
We must be *clear* about what is *public* versus *private,* but we
should challenge ourselves to make more communications available (indexed
by google also means we can link to it on the public web... the structure
of the web that was valuable *even before *search engines and the
information search engines use to crawl content and formulate rankings,
etc). We can also encourage search engines not to index this content to
keep it unsearchable, but probably the folks who typically want to search
it will be us and our community.
To me, a good number of our problems right now correspond to *access*,
*transparency*, and *engaging new participants*. In light of these
issues, there is a clear direction for us to travel in which we should
value *"open, public discourses over closed, proprietary processes"* as
well as *"access and transparency over exclusivity"* in order to *"solve
real problems over hypotheticals, while respecting visions of the future"*
- https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Values
All three of us on this thread so far are sudo room members, what do you
all think about these values I've shared?
// Matt
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:11 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM, David Keenan
<dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> I would like to help you welcome new members - if I can get those
notices, I
> will reply and copy you and Jenny.
We already have a list called "helpdesk" which is for receiving
private emails about the omni, so if we all CC helpdesk then others
know what's being done and how it's being done. Perhaps if we notice
subscriptions from somebody new, we can forward the request to
helpdesk!
Anybody interested in being part of the general email liaison /
outreach team, please subscribe. :)
https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/helpdesk
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