11 Apr
2022
11 Apr
'22
4:16 p.m.
Yeah, I agree that with the values and purpose/intent it’s more important to be specific.
Especially because I think the stated intent (based on sudoroom’s wiki: social change,
community engagement, etc.) is actually quite a bit more ambitious relative to, say,
Noisebridge, whose vision statement is (paraphrasing) “provide infrastructure and
opportunities for people interested in <various art/technology topics>”.
What does openness and “hack the planet” mean to you? Why are those things important as
values? Are those things also our intent, or is there a separate mission/purpose?
Eric
On Apr 11, 2022, at 13:26, Andrew R Gross
<arg5029(a)gmail.com> wrote:
These are great. Personally, I don’t feel the need to overthink things or reinvent the
wheel, so I’d be pretty happy to adopt the community standards pretty much unchanged. I’m
happy to help people edit it as they see fit, but I think it’s overall definitely good
enough.
I think the statements of values are similarly pretty good, although I’d like to edit
them to be a bit more specific. For instance, I think articulating what openness means,
and what what it means to hack the planet, and why, and in the pursuit of what outcome.
But again, I’d say they’re good enough that I’d support them as is if others wanted to
take the path of least resistance.
On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 9:33 AM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
Here’s some resources from Sudoroom’s wiki and
other hacker/maker space pages that could be useful reference material.
I like how Noisebridge has a specific guidelines on community norms.
How is sudoroom’s purpose different from these other communities?
Part of it might just be a geographical niche, but there are probably intentional
cultural differences as well? What are those?
—
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Community_Standards
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Standards
https://www.acemakerspace.org/about/
https://www.acemakerspace.org/safety-and-culture/
https://techliminal.com/about-us/
https://www.rpscollective.org/
http://nimbyspace.org/what-is-nimby/
--
Andrew R Gross, (he/him)
412.657.5332 - shrad.org From the Wiki :
We're into technology and where it intersects with social justice, sustainability,
education and solidarity.
We strive to be an open, transparent, horizontal and welcoming community where all are
supported and free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, work, play and more! .
We've got tons of tools for you to use from a 3D printer to public computer
terminals, Math projects, a big huge library and all kinds of gadgets!
We are exclusively volunteer-run and supported through donations!! Learn more about
membership.
Our slogan is: HACK THE PLANET!
Eric
On Apr 9, 2022, at 22:51, Andrew R Gross via
sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
Should we establish a statement of purpose and a
code of conduct?
I think Sudoroom should adopt a code of conduct, because currently our only behavioral
rules are the Omni Commons Safer Space policy:
https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy
These rules are vital, but are limited to a broad set of wildy unacceptable behavior
anywhere. They don't outline minor and hackerspace specific guidelines on ideal and
discouraged behavior.
PB asked if we have any statement defining our most basic principle or goal, and while it
sounds like there is a lot of diverse informal wisdom, there isn't a clear singular
statement of intent. So I'd like to propose we agree on one of those as well.
I think a starting point for a code of conduct would be something like "Try to
enhance the experience of others in Sudoroom and avoid impeding it", and then we
could go into a few more specific examples like cleaning up, asking people if they'd
like companionship or space when working in the space at the same time, etc.
I don't have any clear suggestions for what our statement of purpose would be, but I
like the values of justice and openness.
Thoughts?
Andrew R Gross, (he/him)
412.657.5332 - shrad.org
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12 Apr
12 Apr
4:11 p.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
Coming in cold here - but just to say, the Safer Space Policy on Omni's
wiki was directly adapted from Sudo Room's, and I'm confused as to why
its not clearly present on the sudoroom wiki....
I think the Safer Space Policy should be front and center alongside a
Code of Conduct more explicit to these norms of behavior and
responsibility being discussed - so am very much enjoying this thread :)
I would like to propose that we strongly align with community engagement:
1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious mansplaining
and acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of
co-learning - we all can learn from each other, of course];
2) attention to newcomers whilst not being overly so [consent-first]; and
3) active stewardship of the space [and by this I mean explicitly *not*
domestic use (which is not just sleeping but also just "occupying the
space" as a base of operations) - rather, initiating projects and
tending to the space itself, its health and hygiene and accessibility -
not just one's use of it for their own personal projects, though that's
fine, but some level of helping to improve. Always leave the space a bit
better than it was when you arrive, even if that's just taking out a bag
of trash or wiping down a sink.
It is hard to code such things into a 'code of conduct' tho ;) Just
wanted to share thoughts and ideas from being a sudoer since 2011!
go sudo go!
My two cents,
Jenny (who will return... someday soon... maybe tonight...?)
On 4/11/22 16:16, Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss wrote:
Yeah, I agree that with the values and purpose/intent it’s more
important to be specific.
Especially because I think the stated intent (based on sudoroom’s
wiki: social change, community engagement, etc.) is actually quite a
bit more ambitious relative to, say, Noisebridge, whose vision
statement is (paraphrasing) “provide infrastructure and opportunities
for people interested in <various art/technology topics>”.
What does openness and “hack the planet” mean to you? Why are those
things important as values? Are those things also our intent, or is
there a separate mission/purpose?
Eric
On Apr 11, 2022, at 13:26, Andrew R Gross
<arg5029(a)gmail.com> wrote:
These are great. Personally, I don’t feel the need to overthink
things or reinvent the wheel, so I’d be pretty happy to adopt the
community standards pretty much unchanged. I’m happy to help people
edit it as they see fit, but I think it’s overall definitely good enough.
I think the statements of values are similarly pretty good, although
I’d like to edit them to be a bit more specific. For instance, I
think articulating what openness means, and what what it means to
hack the planet, and why, and in the pursuit of what outcome. But
again, I’d say they’re good enough that I’d support them as is if
others wanted to take the path of least resistance.
On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 9:33 AM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
Here’s some resources from Sudoroom’s wiki and other hacker/maker
space pages that could be useful reference material.
I like how Noisebridge has a specific guidelines on community norms.
How is sudoroom’s purpose different from these other communities?
Part of it might just be a geographical niche, but there are
probably intentional cultural differences as well? What are those?
—
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Community_Standards
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Standards
https://www.acemakerspace.org/about/
https://www.acemakerspace.org/safety-and-culture/
https://techliminal.com/about-us/
https://www.rpscollective.org/
http://nimbyspace.org/what-is-nimby/
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*From the Wiki :*
* We're into *technology* and where it intersects with *social
justice*, *sustainability*, *education* and *solidarity*.
* We strive to be an *open*, *transparent*, *horizontal* and
*welcoming* community where all are supported and free to
learn, create, gather, collaborate, work, play and more! .
* We've got tons of *tools
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Category:Tools>* for you to use
from a *3D printer* to *public computer terminals*, Math
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Math> projects, a *big huge
library* and *all kinds of gadgets*!
* We are exclusively *volunteer-run* and supported through
*donations <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Gittip>*!! Learn more
about membership <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Membership>.
* Our slogan is: *HACK THE PLANET!*
Sudo-intro-comic.jpg
Eric
On Apr 9, 2022, at 22:51, Andrew R Gross via
sudo-discuss
<sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
Should we establish a statement of purpose and a code of conduct?
I think Sudoroom should adopt a code of conduct, because
currently our only behavioral rules are the Omni Commons Safer
Space policy: https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy
These rules are vital, but are limited to a broad set of wildy
unacceptable behavior anywhere. They don't outline minor and
hackerspace specific guidelines on ideal and discouraged behavior.
PB asked if we have any statement defining our most basic
principle or goal, and while it sounds like there is a lot of
diverse informal wisdom, there isn't a clear singular statement
of intent. So I'd like to propose we agree on one of those as well.
I think a starting point for a code of conduct would be
something like "Try to enhance the experience of others in
Sudoroom and avoid impeding it", and then we could go into a few
more specific examples like cleaning up, asking people if they'd
like companionship or space when working in the space at the
same time, etc.
I don't have any clear suggestions for what our statement of
purpose would be, but I like the values of justice and openness.
Thoughts?
*Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
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9:01 p.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
Assuming there are no objections, I definitely agree that we should make
both the code of conduct and the safer space policy prominent on the
website and wiki.
Jenny's description of openness suits me. Although I know I previously said
that maybe it should be more specific, Jenny's description sort of made me
realize that maybe openness doesn't really have as much vagary as I
thought. I don't want to make this any longer than needed, and maybe we all
kinda get what openness and transparency, etc mean enough that more words
aren't necessary, unless anyone else wants to.
Jenny's thoughts also remind me of The Platinum Rule: "Do unto others as
they'd like done unto them". Perhaps we could phrase this as,
*"We recognize that different hackers have diverse preferences in working
and collaboration styles and seek to accommodate one another flexibly. We
communicate with each other in the manner each is comfortable with, and
each act as stewards of our shared workspace with the intention to make it
productive for others before ourselves. We ask one another their
preferences directly to avoid making assumptions and invite one another to
communicate their preferences candidly."*
I'm concerned that might be a little too poetic rather than direct, though.
Although I've included it to give people options, I think I'd prefer
something a little more straightforward, like this:
*"Please maintain the cleanliness of the space to prioritize its shared use
above personal use. Be aware that the more frequently you are in the space,
the more actively you should work to make it available to others, both
through chores like emptying the trash and behavior, such as offering
workspace and tools to others."*
*"Seek to communicate with others in the ways they prefer. Ask their
preferences for conversation or technical advice rather than assuming."*
*Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 4:12 PM Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
Coming in cold here - but just to say, the Safer Space
Policy on Omni's
wiki was directly adapted from Sudo Room's, and I'm confused as to why its
not clearly present on the sudoroom wiki....
I think the Safer Space Policy should be front and center alongside a Code
of Conduct more explicit to these norms of behavior and responsibility
being discussed - so am very much enjoying this thread :)
I would like to propose that we strongly align with community engagement:
1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious mansplaining
and acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of co-learning -
we all can learn from each other, of course];
2) attention to newcomers whilst not being overly so [consent-first]; and
3) active stewardship of the space [and by this I mean explicitly *not*
domestic use (which is not just sleeping but also just "occupying the
space" as a base of operations) - rather, initiating projects and tending
to the space itself, its health and hygiene and accessibility - not just
one's use of it for their own personal projects, though that's fine, but
some level of helping to improve. Always leave the space a bit better than
it was when you arrive, even if that's just taking out a bag of trash or
wiping down a sink.
It is hard to code such things into a 'code of conduct' tho ;) Just wanted
to share thoughts and ideas from being a sudoer since 2011!
go sudo go!
My two cents,
Jenny (who will return... someday soon... maybe tonight...?)
On 4/11/22 16:16, Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss wrote:
Yeah, I agree that with the values and purpose/intent it’s more important
to be specific.
Especially because I think the stated intent (based on sudoroom’s wiki:
social change, community engagement, etc.) is actually quite a bit more
ambitious relative to, say, Noisebridge, whose vision statement is
(paraphrasing) “provide infrastructure and opportunities for people
interested in <various art/technology topics>”.
What does openness and “hack the planet” mean to you? Why are those things
important as values? Are those things also our intent, or is there a
separate mission/purpose?
Eric
On Apr 11, 2022, at 13:26, Andrew R Gross <arg5029(a)gmail.com>
<arg5029(a)gmail.com> wrote:
These are great. Personally, I don’t feel the need to overthink things or
reinvent the wheel, so I’d be pretty happy to adopt the community standards
pretty much unchanged. I’m happy to help people edit it as they see fit,
but I think it’s overall definitely good enough.
I think the statements of values are similarly pretty good, although I’d
like to edit them to be a bit more specific. For instance, I think
articulating what openness means, and what what it means to hack the
planet, and why, and in the pursuit of what outcome. But again, I’d say
they’re good enough that I’d support them as is if others wanted to take
the path of least resistance.
On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 9:33 AM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
Here’s some resources from Sudoroom’s wiki and
other hacker/maker space
pages that could be useful reference material.
I like how Noisebridge has a specific guidelines on community norms.
How is sudoroom’s purpose different from these other communities?
Part of it might just be a geographical niche, but there are probably
intentional cultural differences as well? What are those?
—
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Community_Standards
https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Standards
https://www.acemakerspace.org/about/
https://www.acemakerspace.org/safety-and-culture/
https://techliminal.com/about-us/
https://www.rpscollective.org/
http://nimbyspace.org/what-is-nimby/
*From the Wiki :*
- We're into *technology* and where it intersects with *social
justice*, *sustainability*, *education* and *solidarity*.
- We strive to be an *open*, *transparent*, *horizontal* and
*welcoming* community where all are supported and free to learn,
create, gather, collaborate, work, play and more! .
- We've got tons of *tools <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Category:Tools>* for
you to use from a *3D printer* to *public computer terminals*, Math
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Math> projects, a *big huge library* and *all
kinds of gadgets*!
- We are exclusively *volunteer-run* and supported through *donations
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Gittip>*!! Learn more about membership
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Membership>.
- Our slogan is: *HACK THE PLANET!*
[image: Sudo-intro-comic.jpg]
Eric
On Apr 9, 2022, at 22:51, Andrew R Gross via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
Should we establish a statement of purpose and a code of conduct?
I think Sudoroom should adopt a code of conduct, because currently our
only behavioral rules are the Omni Commons Safer Space policy:
https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy
These rules are vital, but are limited to a broad set of wildy
unacceptable behavior anywhere. They don't outline minor and hackerspace
specific guidelines on ideal and discouraged behavior.
PB asked if we have any statement defining our most basic principle or
goal, and while it sounds like there is a lot of diverse informal wisdom,
there isn't a clear singular statement of intent. So I'd like to propose we
agree on one of those as well.
I think a starting point for a code of conduct would be something like
"Try to enhance the experience of others in Sudoroom and avoid impeding
it", and then we could go into a few more specific examples like cleaning
up, asking people if they'd like companionship or space when working in the
space at the same time, etc.
I don't have any clear suggestions for what our statement of purpose
would be, but I like the values of justice and openness.
Thoughts?
*Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
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17 Apr
17 Apr
6:04 a.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing)
curiosity. That is, not weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking questions"
antagonistic rhetorical strategy.
It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've encountered
instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard to describe
without referencing closedness.
(sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious mansplaining
and acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of co-learning -
we all can learn from each other, of course];
9:50 p.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
Agreed!
On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
One way I would describe openness is: genuine
(non-antagonizing)
curiosity. That is, not weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking
questions" antagonistic rhetorical strategy.
It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've
encountered instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard
to describe without referencing closedness.
(sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious
mansplaining and acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn,
spirit of co-learning - we all can learn from each other, of course];
21 Apr
21 Apr
midnight
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
I made this page to try to address "statement of intent":
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
It is not complete, and still includes noisebridge links because most of this is
copy-paste.
Please review/change it?
Eric
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, at 21:50, Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss wrote:
Agreed!
On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing) curiosity. That is, not
weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking questions" antagonistic rhetorical
strategy.
It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've encountered
instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard to describe without referencing
closedness.
(sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
>
>
> 1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious mansplaining and
acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of co-learning - we all can learn
from each other, of course];
>
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7:15 a.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
The verb "curiosity" seems really central to me in terms of vision and
values (but esp vision). But I am struggling to propose exactly how that
could be worded. If others feel similarly, maybe something on that could
be added.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:02 AM Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
I made this page to try to address "statement of
intent":
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
It is not complete, and still includes noisebridge links because most of
this is copy-paste.
Please review/change it?
Eric
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, at 21:50, Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss wrote:
Agreed!
On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing)
curiosity. That is, not weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking questions"
antagonistic rhetorical strategy.
It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've encountered
instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard to describe
without referencing closedness.
(sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious mansplaining
and acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of co-learning -
we all can learn from each other, of course];
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7:58 a.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
That makes sense.
I just made an edit to revise to emphasize curiosity more — and included some quotes from
famous people talking about it. Maybe we can rephrase those statements and make that our
own?
Let me know what you think
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
<https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&diff=11880&oldid=11879>
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About>
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 07:15, Cere Misc
<cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The verb "curiosity" seems really central to me in terms of vision and values
(but esp vision). But I am struggling to propose exactly how that could be worded. If
others feel similarly, maybe something on that could be added.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:02 AM Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss
<sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org>> wrote:
I made this page to try to address "statement of intent":
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About>
It is not complete, and still includes noisebridge links because most of this is
copy-paste.
Please review/change it?
Eric
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, at 21:50, Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss wrote:
Agreed!
On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
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One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing) curiosity. That is, not
weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking questions" antagonistic rhetorical
strategy.
It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've encountered
instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard to describe without referencing
closedness.
(sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious mansplaining and
acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of co-learning - we all can learn
from each other, of course];
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9:20 a.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
Hey Eric,
Thanks for those edits. After suggesting curiosity, I failed to include it
in my own draft (lol) as it didn't quite make as much sense as I thought
given the rest of what I wrote down. It's a big change from what you
proposed, so I hope at least some of it speaks to you.
I like the idea of having the quotes to brainstorm new writing but I
worried about keeping them around as appeals to authority which might get
us off on the wrong foot from an anarchist or cultural diversity
perspective so I removed it from my draft.
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
In the end, there is less written but I was sort of aiming for brevity
anyway.
Hope it's helpful.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:58 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
That makes sense.
I just made an edit to revise to emphasize curiosity more — and included
some quotes from famous people talking about it. Maybe we can rephrase
those statements and make that our own?
Let me know what you think
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 07:15, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The verb "curiosity" seems really central to me in terms of vision and
values (but esp vision). But I am struggling to propose exactly how that
could be worded. If others feel similarly, maybe something on that could
be added.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:02 AM Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
I made this page to try to address
"statement of intent":
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
It is not complete, and still includes noisebridge links because most of
this is copy-paste.
Please review/change it?
Eric
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, at 21:50, Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss wrote:
Agreed!
On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing)
curiosity. That is, not weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking questions"
antagonistic rhetorical strategy.
It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've encountered
instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard to describe
without referencing closedness.
(sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious mansplaining
and acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of co-learning -
we all can learn from each other, of course];
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11:16 a.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
Hey Cere,
Awesome! — and yes, I agree that the quotes were just for temporary brainstorming. Thanks
for removing them.
I feel that we should retain the part about "foster and expand innovation and
creativity” because it gives some specificity as to _how_ we envision the improvement of
our community to be actualized.
That is basically an attempt to summarize this section:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws#Article_3._Purpose
I added that back, but kept the rest of your changes. What do you think?
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 09:20, Cere Misc
<cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Eric,
Thanks for those edits. After suggesting curiosity, I failed to include it in my own
draft (lol) as it didn't quite make as much sense as I thought given the rest of what
I wrote down. It's a big change from what you proposed, so I hope at least some of it
speaks to you.
I like the idea of having the quotes to brainstorm new writing but I worried about
keeping them around as appeals to authority which might get us off on the wrong foot from
an anarchist or cultural diversity perspective so I removed it from my draft.
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
<https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&diff=11882&oldid=11880>
In the end, there is less written but I was sort of aiming for brevity anyway.
Hope it's helpful.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:58 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org
<mailto:eric@oco.nnor.org>> wrote:
That makes sense.
I just made an edit to revise to emphasize curiosity more — and included some quotes from
famous people talking about it. Maybe we can rephrase those statements and make that our
own?
Let me know what you think
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
<https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&diff=11880&oldid=11879>
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About>
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 07:15, Cere Misc
<cere.misc(a)gmail.com <mailto:cere.misc@gmail.com>> wrote:
The verb "curiosity" seems really central to me in terms of vision and values
(but esp vision). But I am struggling to propose exactly how that could be worded. If
others feel similarly, maybe something on that could be added.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:02 AM Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss
<sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org>> wrote:
I made this page to try to address "statement of intent":
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About>
It is not complete, and still includes noisebridge links because most of this is
copy-paste.
Please review/change it?
Eric
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, at 21:50, Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss wrote:
Agreed!
On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
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One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing) curiosity. That is, not
weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking questions" antagonistic rhetorical
strategy.
It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've encountered
instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard to describe without referencing
closedness.
(sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious mansplaining and
acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of co-learning - we all can learn
from each other, of course];
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noon
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
Hrm. I don't see where my changes got added into the purpose section when
I search for keywords like health and diverse. Did you not save changes or
something?
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:16 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
Hey Cere,
Awesome! — and yes, I agree that the quotes were just for temporary
brainstorming. Thanks for removing them.
I feel that we should retain the part about "foster and expand innovation
and creativity” because it gives some specificity as to _*how_* we
envision the improvement of our community to be actualized.
That is basically an attempt to summarize this section:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws#Article_3._Purpose
I added that back, but kept the rest of your changes. What do you think?
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 09:20, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Eric,
Thanks for those edits. After suggesting curiosity, I failed to include
it in my own draft (lol) as it didn't quite make as much sense as I thought
given the rest of what I wrote down. It's a big change from what you
proposed, so I hope at least some of it speaks to you.
I like the idea of having the quotes to brainstorm new writing but I
worried about keeping them around as appeals to authority which might get
us off on the wrong foot from an anarchist or cultural diversity
perspective so I removed it from my draft.
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
In the end, there is less written but I was sort of aiming for brevity
anyway.
Hope it's helpful.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:58 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
That makes sense.
I just made an edit to revise to emphasize curiosity more — and included
some quotes from famous people talking about it. Maybe we can rephrase
those statements and make that our own?
Let me know what you think
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 07:15, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The verb "curiosity" seems really central to me in terms of vision and
values (but esp vision). But I am struggling to propose exactly how that
could be worded. If others feel similarly, maybe something on that could
be added.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:02 AM Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
I made this page to try to address
"statement of intent":
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
It is not complete, and still includes noisebridge links because most of
this is copy-paste.
Please review/change it?
Eric
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, at 21:50, Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss wrote:
Agreed!
On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing)
curiosity. That is, not weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking questions"
antagonistic rhetorical strategy.
It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've
encountered instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard to
describe without referencing closedness.
(sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious mansplaining
and acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of co-learning -
we all can learn from each other, of course];
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12:22 p.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
Hey Cere,
I wonder if there is a caching issue? I see your changes for health and diversity when I
refresh the page, and I also see your edits in the history.
Were there other changes that didn’t get saved?
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 12:00, Cere Misc
<cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hrm. I don't see where my changes got added into the purpose section when I search
for keywords like health and diverse. Did you not save changes or something?
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:16 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org
<mailto:eric@oco.nnor.org>> wrote:
Hey Cere,
Awesome! — and yes, I agree that the quotes were just for temporary brainstorming. Thanks
for removing them.
I feel that we should retain the part about "foster and expand innovation and
creativity” because it gives some specificity as to _how_ we envision the improvement of
our community to be actualized.
That is basically an attempt to summarize this section:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws#Article_3._Purpose
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws#Article_3._Purpose>
I added that back, but kept the rest of your changes. What do you think?
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 09:20, Cere Misc
<cere.misc(a)gmail.com <mailto:cere.misc@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Eric,
Thanks for those edits. After suggesting curiosity, I failed to include it in my own
draft (lol) as it didn't quite make as much sense as I thought given the rest of what
I wrote down. It's a big change from what you proposed, so I hope at least some of it
speaks to you.
I like the idea of having the quotes to brainstorm new writing but I worried about
keeping them around as appeals to authority which might get us off on the wrong foot from
an anarchist or cultural diversity perspective so I removed it from my draft.
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
<https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&diff=11882&oldid=11880>
In the end, there is less written but I was sort of aiming for brevity anyway.
Hope it's helpful.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:58 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org
<mailto:eric@oco.nnor.org>> wrote:
That makes sense.
I just made an edit to revise to emphasize curiosity more — and included some quotes from
famous people talking about it. Maybe we can rephrase those statements and make that our
own?
Let me know what you think
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
<https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&diff=11880&oldid=11879>
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About>
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 07:15, Cere Misc
<cere.misc(a)gmail.com <mailto:cere.misc@gmail.com>> wrote:
The verb "curiosity" seems really central to me in terms of vision and values
(but esp vision). But I am struggling to propose exactly how that could be worded. If
others feel similarly, maybe something on that could be added.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:02 AM Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss
<sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org>> wrote:
I made this page to try to address "statement of intent":
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About>
It is not complete, and still includes noisebridge links because most of this is
copy-paste.
Please review/change it?
Eric
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, at 21:50, Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss wrote:
Agreed!
On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
>
> One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing) curiosity. That is,
not weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking questions" antagonistic rhetorical
strategy.
>
> It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've
encountered instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard to describe without
referencing closedness.
>
> (sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
>
>
> 1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious mansplaining and
acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of co-learning - we all can learn
from each other, of course];
>
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12:32 p.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
Ok weird. I dunno what changed, but now I see it. Thanks!
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:22 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
Hey Cere,
I wonder if there is a caching issue? I see your changes for health and
diversity when I refresh the page, and I also see your edits in the
history.
Were there other changes that didn’t get saved?
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 12:00, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hrm. I don't see where my changes got added into the purpose section when
I search for keywords like health and diverse. Did you not save changes or
something?
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:16 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
Hey Cere,
Awesome! — and yes, I agree that the quotes were just for temporary
brainstorming. Thanks for removing them.
I feel that we should retain the part about "foster and expand innovation
and creativity” because it gives some specificity as to _*how_* we
envision the improvement of our community to be actualized.
That is basically an attempt to summarize this section:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws#Article_3._Purpose
I added that back, but kept the rest of your changes. What do you think?
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 09:20, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Eric,
Thanks for those edits. After suggesting curiosity, I failed to include
it in my own draft (lol) as it didn't quite make as much sense as I thought
given the rest of what I wrote down. It's a big change from what you
proposed, so I hope at least some of it speaks to you.
I like the idea of having the quotes to brainstorm new writing but I
worried about keeping them around as appeals to authority which might get
us off on the wrong foot from an anarchist or cultural diversity
perspective so I removed it from my draft.
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
In the end, there is less written but I was sort of aiming for brevity
anyway.
Hope it's helpful.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:58 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
That makes sense.
I just made an edit to revise to emphasize curiosity more — and included
some quotes from famous people talking about it. Maybe we can rephrase
those statements and make that our own?
Let me know what you think
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 07:15, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The verb "curiosity" seems really central to me in terms of vision and
values (but esp vision). But I am struggling to propose exactly how that
could be worded. If others feel similarly, maybe something on that could
be added.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:02 AM Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
I made this page to try to address
"statement of intent":
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
It is not complete, and still includes noisebridge links because most
of this is copy-paste.
Please review/change it?
Eric
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, at 21:50, Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss wrote:
Agreed!
On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing)
curiosity. That is, not weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking questions"
antagonistic rhetorical strategy.
It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've
encountered instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard to
describe without referencing closedness.
(sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious
mansplaining and acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of
co-learning - we all can learn from each other, of course];
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23 Apr
23 Apr
10:54 p.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
This. Is. Fan-*tastic!*
I took the community standards you linked to from Noisebridge, massaged
them a bit to fit things we've discussed and lightly copy edited them. Take
a look now at the about <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About> page now.
Specifically https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About#Code_of_Conduct
*Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:33 PM Cere Misc via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
Ok weird. I dunno what changed, but now I see it.
Thanks!
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:22 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
Hey Cere,
I wonder if there is a caching issue? I see your changes for health and
diversity when I refresh the page, and I also see your edits in the
history.
Were there other changes that didn’t get saved?
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 12:00, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hrm. I don't see where my changes got added into the purpose section
when I search for keywords like health and diverse. Did you not save
changes or something?
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:16 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
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Hey Cere,
Awesome! — and yes, I agree that the quotes were just for temporary
brainstorming. Thanks for removing them.
I feel that we should retain the part about "foster and expand
innovation and creativity” because it gives some specificity as to _
*how_* we envision the improvement of our community to be actualized.
That is basically an attempt to summarize this section:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws#Article_3._Purpose
I added that back, but kept the rest of your changes. What do you think?
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 09:20, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Eric,
Thanks for those edits. After suggesting curiosity, I failed to include
it in my own draft (lol) as it didn't quite make as much sense as I thought
given the rest of what I wrote down. It's a big change from what you
proposed, so I hope at least some of it speaks to you.
I like the idea of having the quotes to brainstorm new writing but I
worried about keeping them around as appeals to authority which might get
us off on the wrong foot from an anarchist or cultural diversity
perspective so I removed it from my draft.
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
In the end, there is less written but I was sort of aiming for brevity
anyway.
Hope it's helpful.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:58 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
_______________________________________________ That makes sense.
I just made an edit to revise to emphasize curiosity more — and
included some quotes from famous people talking about it. Maybe we can
rephrase those statements and make that our own?
Let me know what you think
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 07:15, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The verb "curiosity" seems really central to me in terms of vision and
values (but esp vision). But I am struggling to propose exactly how that
could be worded. If others feel similarly, maybe something on that could
be added.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:02 AM Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> I made this page to try to address "statement of intent":
>
> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
>
> It is not complete, and still includes noisebridge links because most
> of this is copy-paste.
> Please review/change it?
>
> Eric
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, at 21:50, Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss wrote:
>
> Agreed!
> On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
>
>
> One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing)
> curiosity. That is, not weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking questions"
> antagonistic rhetorical strategy.
>
> It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've
> encountered instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard to
> describe without referencing closedness.
>
> (sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
>
>
>
> 1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious
> mansplaining and acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of
> co-learning - we all can learn from each other, of course];
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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24 Apr
24 Apr
10:28 a.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
This looks great. I added a little blurb at the beginning to clarify that this is an
extension of Omni’s safer space policy.
Eric
On Apr 23, 2022, at 22:54, Andrew R Gross
<arg5029(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This. Is. Fan-tastic!
I took the community standards you linked to from Noisebridge, massaged them a bit to fit
things we've discussed and lightly copy edited them. Take a look now at the about
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About> page now. Specifically
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About#Code_of_Conduct
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About#Code_of_Conduct>
Andrew R Gross, (he/him)
412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org/>
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:33 PM Cere Misc via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
<mailto:sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org>> wrote:
Ok weird. I dunno what changed, but now I see it. Thanks!
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:22 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org
<mailto:eric@oco.nnor.org>> wrote:
Hey Cere,
I wonder if there is a caching issue? I see your changes for health and diversity when I
refresh the page, and I also see your edits in the history.
Were there other changes that didn’t get saved?
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Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 12:00, Cere Misc
<cere.misc(a)gmail.com <mailto:cere.misc@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hrm. I don't see where my changes got added into the purpose section when I search
for keywords like health and diverse. Did you not save changes or something?
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:16 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org
<mailto:eric@oco.nnor.org>> wrote:
Hey Cere,
Awesome! — and yes, I agree that the quotes were just for temporary brainstorming. Thanks
for removing them.
I feel that we should retain the part about "foster and expand innovation and
creativity” because it gives some specificity as to _how_ we envision the improvement of
our community to be actualized.
That is basically an attempt to summarize this section:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws#Article_3._Purpose
<https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws#Article_3._Purpose>
I added that back, but kept the rest of your changes. What do you think?
Eric
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<https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/> On Apr 21, 2022, at 09:20, Cere Misc
<cere.misc(a)gmail.com <mailto:cere.misc@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Eric,
Thanks for those edits. After suggesting curiosity, I failed to include it in my own
draft (lol) as it didn't quite make as much sense as I thought given the rest of what
I wrote down. It's a big change from what you proposed, so I hope at least some of it
speaks to you.
I like the idea of having the quotes to brainstorm new writing but I worried about
keeping them around as appeals to authority which might get us off on the wrong foot from
an anarchist or cultural diversity perspective so I removed it from my draft.
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
<https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&diff=11882&oldid=11880>
In the end, there is less written but I was sort of aiming for brevity anyway.
Hope it's helpful.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:58 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org
<mailto:eric@oco.nnor.org>> wrote:
That makes sense.
I just made an edit to revise to emphasize curiosity more — and included some quotes from
famous people talking about it. Maybe we can rephrase those statements and make that our
own?
Let me know what you think
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
<https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&diff=11880&oldid=11879>
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About>
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 07:15, Cere Misc
<cere.misc(a)gmail.com <mailto:cere.misc@gmail.com>> wrote:
The verb "curiosity" seems really central to me in terms of vision and values
(but esp vision). But I am struggling to propose exactly how that could be worded. If
others feel similarly, maybe something on that could be added.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:02 AM Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss
<sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org <mailto:sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org>> wrote:
I made this page to try to address "statement of intent":
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About>
It is not complete, and still includes noisebridge links because most of this is
copy-paste.
Please review/change it?
Eric
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, at 21:50, Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss wrote:
> Agreed!
>
> On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
>>
>> One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing) curiosity. That
is, not weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking questions" antagonistic
rhetorical strategy.
>>
>> It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've
encountered instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard to describe without
referencing closedness.
>>
>> (sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
>>
>>
>> 1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious mansplaining and
acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of co-learning - we all can learn
from each other, of course];
>>
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11:55 p.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
Awesome. I'm really happy with all this. Anyone can make any other edits
they want, but I've got no further notes.
*Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 9:28 AM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
This looks great. I added a little blurb at the
beginning to clarify that
this is an extension of Omni’s safer space policy.
Eric
On Apr 23, 2022, at 22:54, Andrew R Gross <arg5029(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This. Is. Fan-*tastic!*
I took the community standards you linked to from Noisebridge, massaged
them a bit to fit things we've discussed and lightly copy edited them. Take
a look now at the about <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About> page now.
Specifically https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About#Code_of_Conduct
*Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org/>
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:33 PM Cere Misc via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
Ok weird. I dunno what changed, but now I see
it. Thanks!
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:22 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
Hey Cere,
I wonder if there is a caching issue? I see your changes for health and
diversity when I refresh the page, and I also see your edits in the
history.
Were there other changes that didn’t get saved?
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Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 12:00, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hrm. I don't see where my changes got added into the purpose section
when I search for keywords like health and diverse. Did you not save
changes or something?
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:16 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
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Hey Cere,
Awesome! — and yes, I agree that the quotes were just for temporary
brainstorming. Thanks for removing them.
I feel that we should retain the part about "foster and expand
innovation and creativity” because it gives some specificity as to _
*how_* we envision the improvement of our community to be actualized.
That is basically an attempt to summarize this section:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws#Article_3._Purpose
I added that back, but kept the rest of your changes. What do you
think?
Eric
On Apr 21, 2022, at 09:20, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Eric,
Thanks for those edits. After suggesting curiosity, I failed to
include it in my own draft (lol) as it didn't quite make as much sense as I
thought given the rest of what I wrote down. It's a big change from what
you proposed, so I hope at least some of it speaks to you.
I like the idea of having the quotes to brainstorm new writing but I
worried about keeping them around as appeals to authority which might get
us off on the wrong foot from an anarchist or cultural diversity
perspective so I removed it from my draft.
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
In the end, there is less written but I was sort of aiming for brevity
anyway.
Hope it's helpful.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:58 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org>
wrote:
> That makes sense.
>
> I just made an edit to revise to emphasize curiosity more — and
> included some quotes from famous people talking about it. Maybe we can
> rephrase those statements and make that our own?
>
> Let me know what you think
>
>
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
>
> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
>
> Eric
>
> On Apr 21, 2022, at 07:15, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The verb "curiosity" seems really central to me in terms of vision and
> values (but esp vision). But I am struggling to propose exactly how that
> could be worded. If others feel similarly, maybe something on that could
> be added.
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:02 AM Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss <
> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>
>> I made this page to try to address "statement of intent":
>>
>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
>>
>> It is not complete, and still includes noisebridge links because most
>> of this is copy-paste.
>> Please review/change it?
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, at 21:50, Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss wrote:
>>
>> Agreed!
>> On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
>>
>>
>> One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing)
>> curiosity. That is, not weaponizing curiosity as a "just asking
questions"
>> antagonistic rhetorical strategy.
>>
>> It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once we've
>> encountered instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly hard to
>> describe without referencing closedness.
>>
>> (sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious
>> mansplaining and acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn, spirit of
>> co-learning - we all can learn from each other, of course];
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org
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>>
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8:55 p.m.
New subject: Proposal: Should we adopt a code of conduct and statement of intent?
Bump for visibility
*Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 11:55 PM Andrew R Gross <arg5029(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Awesome. I'm really happy with all this. Anyone
can make any other edits
they want, but I've got no further notes.
*Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 9:28 AM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org> wrote:
> This looks great. I added a little blurb at the beginning to clarify that
> this is an extension of Omni’s safer space policy.
>
> Eric
>
> On Apr 23, 2022, at 22:54, Andrew R Gross <arg5029(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This. Is. Fan-*tastic!*
>
> I took the community standards you linked to from Noisebridge, massaged
> them a bit to fit things we've discussed and lightly copy edited them. Take
> a look now at the about <https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About> page now.
> Specifically https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About#Code_of_Conduct
>
> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org/>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:33 PM Cere Misc via sudo-discuss <
> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>
>> Ok weird. I dunno what changed, but now I see it. Thanks!
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:22 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org>
wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Cere,
>>>
>>> I wonder if there is a caching issue? I see your changes for health and
>>> diversity when I refresh the page, and I also see your edits in the
>>> history.
>>>
>>> Were there other changes that didn’t get saved?
>>>
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-04-21 at 12.20.51.png>
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-04-21 at 12.22.01.png>
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2022, at 12:00, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hrm. I don't see where my changes got added into the purpose section
>>> when I search for keywords like health and diverse. Did you not save
>>> changes or something?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:16 PM Eric O'Connor <eric(a)oco.nnor.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Cere,
>>>>
>>>> Awesome! — and yes, I agree that the quotes were just for temporary
>>>> brainstorming. Thanks for removing them.
>>>>
>>>> I feel that we should retain the part about "foster and expand
>>>> innovation and creativity” because it gives some specificity as to _
>>>> *how_* we envision the improvement of our community to be actualized.
>>>>
>>>> That is basically an attempt to summarize this section:
>>>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws#Article_3._Purpose
>>>>
>>>> I added that back, but kept the rest of your changes. What do you
>>>> think?
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 21, 2022, at 09:20, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Eric,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for those edits. After suggesting curiosity, I failed to
>>>> include it in my own draft (lol) as it didn't quite make as much
sense as I
>>>> thought given the rest of what I wrote down. It's a big change from
what
>>>> you proposed, so I hope at least some of it speaks to you.
>>>>
>>>> I like the idea of having the quotes to brainstorm new writing but I
>>>> worried about keeping them around as appeals to authority which might
get
>>>> us off on the wrong foot from an anarchist or cultural diversity
>>>> perspective so I removed it from my draft.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
>>>>
>>>> In the end, there is less written but I was sort of aiming for brevity
>>>> anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Hope it's helpful.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:58 PM Eric O'Connor
<eric(a)oco.nnor.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That makes sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just made an edit to revise to emphasize curiosity more — and
>>>>> included some quotes from famous people talking about it. Maybe we
can
>>>>> rephrase those statements and make that our own?
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know what you think
>>>>>
>>>>>
https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&type=revision&…
>>>>>
>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 21, 2022, at 07:15, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The verb "curiosity" seems really central to me in terms of
vision
>>>>> and values (but esp vision). But I am struggling to propose exactly
how
>>>>> that could be worded. If others feel similarly, maybe something on
that
>>>>> could be added.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:02 AM Eric O'Connor via sudo-discuss
<
>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I made this page to try to address "statement of
intent":
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/About
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not complete, and still includes noisebridge links because
>>>>>> most of this is copy-paste.
>>>>>> Please review/change it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022, at 21:50, Jenny Ryan via sudo-discuss
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed!
>>>>>> On 4/17/22 06:04, Cere Misc wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One way I would describe openness is: genuine (non-antagonizing)
>>>>>> curiosity. That is, not weaponizing curiosity as a "just
asking questions"
>>>>>> antagonistic rhetorical strategy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems easy to point to examples of "closedness" once
we've
>>>>>> encountered instances of them. By contrast, openness is weirdly
hard to
>>>>>> describe without referencing closedness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (sorry. philosophy is just where my head goes these days)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) openness to sharing knowledge [whilst avoiding obnoxious
>>>>>> mansplaining and acronym-everything, sharing and asking in turn,
spirit of
>>>>>> co-learning - we all can learn from each other, of course];
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org
>>>>>> More options at
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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