Great diagram David! Thanks. To clarify, this is the panel that directly comes off the main breaker at Rise Above, correct? On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 6:25 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for posting this, David. Cover is on and the tripping problem should now be at least reduced since I was able to split the circuit such that the kitchen and den are on one breaker (now #7) and the hallways on another (#8). In addition, the LC extension cord (to which the overhead light strings are attached) has been removed from that same circuit and put on #6, which is powering a temporary receptacle in LC that we're also using for our power tools. All nine of the other breakers are turned off since they're no longer doing anything, although I'm unwiring them only after confirming what they're actually attached to. Most of these were to now-defunct lighting and power circuits in the bar area. Next week several will be repurposed for new receptacle circuits in LC to be installed along the newly-sheetrocked walls. The note taped to the front of the panel now reflects this new condition. Some of these circuits are going to be hard to trace and if so will be left in place for the time being with the breaker off, so if anyone notices a loss of power to anything that was working as of last week, please let me know. If possible, I'll get the den onto a separate circuit from the kitchen. -- Steve On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 6:25 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

Thanks, Patrik, that should come in handy! -- Steve On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for all your work, Steve! FYI the off the shelf circuit tracers dont really work. You need a really expensive pro one. Saying this from experience in Omni, cause I bought one too. Basically what happens is the trace leaks into other circuits a lot and you get misreadings, so don't put a lot of faith in them - you'll have to physically test'em to be sure. David On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Steve Bloom <stevebloom55(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, in other words, you will go up to the panel with the inductive amplifier and note that for example three adjacent breakers will seem positive for the signal. It will be one of those three... On Sunday, February 1, 2015, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Oh, you definitely have to double-check, of course. Easy enough to do: if > you think you've identified the right breaker, just switch it off and the > light on the transmitter will go off, and the signal on the line will > disappear (or not)... > > Patrik > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:35 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks for all your work, Steve! >> >> FYI the off the shelf circuit tracers dont really work. You need a >> really expensive pro one. Saying this from experience in Omni, cause I >> bought one too. Basically what happens is the trace leaks into other >> circuits a lot and you get misreadings, so don't put a lot of faith in them >> - you'll have to physically test'em to be sure. >> >> David >> >> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Steve Bloom <stevebloom55(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Patrik, that should come in handy! >>> >>> -- Steve >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> By the way, we do have a circuit tracer in CCL, in case anyone needs >>>> one. You plug a little gizmo into a live outlet, or clip it onto a set of >>>> live wires, and it send a small audio signal up through the wire that you >>>> can detect at the breaker panel. >>>> >>>> It's in the drawer labeled "tools" in one of the lab benches. The >>>> orange gadget is the sensor. the small wall wart device is the transmitter. >>>> >>>> Patrik >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Steve Bloom <stevebloom55(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for posting this, David. >>>>> >>>>> Cover is on and the tripping problem should now be at least reduced >>>>> since I was able to split the circuit such that the kitchen and den are on >>>>> one breaker (now #7) and the hallways on another (#8). In addition, the LC >>>>> extension cord (to which the overhead light strings are attached) has been >>>>> removed from that same circuit and put on #6, which is powering a temporary >>>>> receptacle in LC that we're also using for our power tools. >>>>> >>>>> All nine of the other breakers are turned off since they're no longer >>>>> doing anything, although I'm unwiring them only after confirming what >>>>> they're actually attached to. Most of these were to now-defunct lighting >>>>> and power circuits in the bar area. Next week several will be repurposed >>>>> for new receptacle circuits in LC to be installed along the >>>>> newly-sheetrocked walls. >>>>> >>>>> The note taped to the front of the panel now reflects this new >>>>> condition. >>>>> >>>>> Some of these circuits are going to be hard to trace and if so will >>>>> be left in place for the time being with the breaker off, so if anyone >>>>> notices a loss of power to anything that was working as of last week, >>>>> please let me know. >>>>> >>>>> If possible, I'll get the den onto a separate circuit from the >>>>> kitchen. >>>>> >>>>> -- Steve >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 6:25 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The tireless volunteers Steve Bloom ( stevebloom55(a)gmail.com ) and >>>>>> I believe Rayc ( what is is email - anyone know? ) are in the midst of >>>>>> decommissioning electrical runs from to La Commune, from the panel in Rise >>>>>> Above that also feeds the oft-tripping breaker to the upstairs. >>>>>> >>>>>> All, before touching this panel, please attempt to communicate first >>>>>> with Steve or Rayc regarding whether it safe to do. Specifically, all, >>>>>> NEVER reach your hand inside a panel that does not have a cover plate on >>>>>> (covering the electrical wires and connections), even if it is only to flip >>>>>> a breaker. Instead, at a minimum, put the cover plate back on first. >>>>>> >>>>>> This panel includes the oft-tripping breaker for the Kitchen and TIL >>>>>> etc offices - #8, so please pay heed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve showed me that he decommissioned breakers # 7 & 11. >>>>>> Breakers 3&4 were I believe decomissioned by an electrician hired by >>>>>> Rise Above. >>>>>> #8 is the one that always trips and needs to be worked on / rewired >>>>>> to prevent this >>>>>> >>>>>> Please see the photo below for reference.. thanks! >>>>>> [image: Inline image 1] >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

Hi steve, Mom I don't think my original post was spammy, because if only for safety's sake everyone should know about currently ongoing changes to building infrastructure, but you're quite right that this thread about how well circuit tracers work etc should be moved to the building list (included above). Let's take it there.. On Sunday, February 1, 2015, Steve Bloom &lt;stevebloom55(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > So they won't show positive if they're switched off? If so, that makes > it easy. Anyway, it does sound like this will be a help, although maybe > not for identifying the join between the den and kitchen if that was done > remotely from the breaker box. > > David, this stuff seems spammy for this list (too many posts and people > tend to just stop reading them) and in any event it doesn't seem to have > been a normal place for building construction details. I joined the > "building" list you pointed me too, but looking at the archives it doesn't > seem to actually be in use for this sort of thing. Matt said he had very > recently started a "tasks" list for the purpose, but I don't find that on > the list of lists. > > Clarity? TIA. > > -- Steve > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:26 AM, David Keenan &lt;dkeenan44(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> Yes, in other words, you will go up to the panel with the inductive >> amplifier and note that for example three adjacent breakers will seem >> positive for the signal. It will be one of those three... >> >> >> On Sunday, February 1, 2015, Patrik D'haeseleer &lt;patrikd(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> Oh, you definitely have to double-check, of course. Easy enough to do: >>> if you think you've identified the right breaker, just switch it off and >>> the light on the transmitter will go off, and the signal on the line will >>> disappear (or not)... >>> >>> Patrik >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 12:35 AM, David Keenan &lt;dkeenan44(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for all your work, Steve! >>>> >>>> FYI the off the shelf circuit tracers dont really work. You need a >>>> really expensive pro one. Saying this from experience in Omni, cause I >>>> bought one too. Basically what happens is the trace leaks into other >>>> circuits a lot and you get misreadings, so don't put a lot of faith in them >>>> - you'll have to physically test'em to be sure. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Steve Bloom &lt;stevebloom55(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Patrik, that should come in handy! >>>>> >>>>> -- Steve >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer < >>>>> patrikd(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> By the way, we do have a circuit tracer in CCL, in case anyone needs >>>>>> one. You plug a little gizmo into a live outlet, or clip it onto a set of >>>>>> live wires, and it send a small audio signal up through the wire that you >>>>>> can detect at the breaker panel. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's in the drawer labeled "tools" in one of the lab benches. The >>>>>> orange gadget is the sensor. the small wall wart device is the transmitter. >>>>>> >>>>>> Patrik >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Steve Bloom &lt;stevebloom55(a)gmail.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for posting this, David. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cover is on and the tripping problem should now be at least reduced >>>>>>> since I was able to split the circuit such that the kitchen and den are on >>>>>>> one breaker (now #7) and the hallways on another (#8). In addition, the LC >>>>>>> extension cord (to which the overhead light strings are attached) has been >>>>>>> removed from that same circuit and put on #6, which is powering a temporary >>>>>>> receptacle in LC that we're also using for our power tools. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All nine of the other breakers are turned off since they're no >>>>>>> longer doing anything, although I'm unwiring them only after confirming >>>>>>> what they're actually attached to. Most of these were to now-defunct >>>>>>> lighting and power circuits in the bar area. Next week several will be >>>>>>> repurposed for new receptacle circuits in LC to be installed along the >>>>>>> newly-sheetrocked walls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The note taped to the front of the panel now reflects this new >>>>>>> condition. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some of these circuits are going to be hard to trace and if so will >>>>>>> be left in place for the time being with the breaker off, so if anyone >>>>>>> notices a loss of power to anything that was working as of last week, >>>>>>> please let me know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If possible, I'll get the den onto a separate circuit from the >>>>>>> kitchen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 6:25 PM, David Keenan &lt;dkeenan44(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The tireless volunteers Steve Bloom ( stevebloom55(a)gmail.com ) >>>>>>>> and I believe Rayc ( what is is email - anyone know? ) are in the midst of >>>>>>>> decommissioning electrical runs from to La Commune, from the panel in Rise >>>>>>>> Above that also feeds the oft-tripping breaker to the upstairs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All, before touching this panel, please attempt to communicate >>>>>>>> first with Steve or Rayc regarding whether it safe to do. Specifically, >>>>>>>> all, NEVER reach your hand inside a panel that does not have a cover plate >>>>>>>> on (covering the electrical wires and connections), even if it is only to >>>>>>>> flip a breaker. Instead, at a minimum, put the cover plate back on first. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This panel includes the oft-tripping breaker for the Kitchen and >>>>>>>> TIL etc offices - #8, so please pay heed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve showed me that he decommissioned breakers # 7 & 11. >>>>>>>> Breakers 3&4 were I believe decomissioned by an electrician hired >>>>>>>> by Rise Above. >>>>>>>> #8 is the one that always trips and needs to be worked on / >>>>>>>> rewired to prevent this >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please see the photo below for reference.. thanks! >>>>>>>> [image: Inline image 1] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >